Cybertruck LMFAO
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Gone fishing said:
There are 6 levels, it starts at 0
I rest my case, you clearly don't know anything about the topic.
Indeed, my friend, you are correct in noting that the SAE begins with Level 0. As you observed, I outlined the 5 levels of autonomous driving, and at Level 0, there is no automation involved.I rest my case, you clearly don't know anything about the topic.
loudlashadjuster said:
Well, the launch event was as amateur as ever. Amazing, considering the money sloshing about.
The out-dragging the 911 was pretty impressive though I have to say.
But they still look like s
t.
Tried to watch some of the live event on Twitter but it was a rambling shambles so gave up. At least the streaming via Twitter worked this time!The out-dragging the 911 was pretty impressive though I have to say.
But they still look like s
t. However, now we are getting some more details though:
https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck/design#payment
RWD - 250 miles range - $60,990
AWD - 340 miles range - $79,990
Cyberbeast - 320 miles range - $99,990
Thats a pretty massive up-lift in the costs! Originally it was slated to be $40k, $50k and $70k and while the ranges provided are all estimates, Tesla claimed that the tri-motor version would be 500+ miles on a charge and they are nowhere near that.
Makes me question how many people will actually follow through with their orders now? Given that this is a dramatic price increase from 2019, I am not sure that they are going to shift that many.
I would mention that the US has a big market for pickups and the days of getting a Ford F-150 for $35k are well behind us now. Its not that you cant buy an F-150 for that, but this is the fleet model stripper version. No consumer buys that! In fact, the market for pickups that are $60k+ has been booming in the last few years and the top trim models from the big three sell well.... well they did sell well. Not so much now. As inflation and interest rates are biting, its caused a pretty precepitous drop in demand. Unheard of discounts are being thrown around and the market for $100k pickups is pretty limited.
Can Tesla convince non-pickup buyers into the Cybertruck? Who knows and we do know that 25 buyers are prepared to rock up to the launch and hand over cash. I see a bunch of F-150 Lightnings and Rivians around me, but the number is still small. I wonder how long it will be before I see a Cybertruck. Its going to be interesting.
Oh and one more comment - that Cybertruck beating a 911 while towing a 911 - yeah, usual marketing stuff. Fail to mention what 911 it was and cant tell if it was using launch control or not (conveniently left that out of the video), but it should be noted that this will have been the tri-motor Cyberbeast which is NOT yet available. The usual sleight of hand at play again.
Chasing Potatoes said:
I assume this won’t pass any crash regs in Europe (particularly for pedestrians) and this never be sold outside of the US?
It is horrifically ugly and pointless.
Yeah, doubt you’ll ever see them outside of North America. It is horrifically ugly and pointless.
If you’ve ever seen an F-250 in the UK you’ll know how ludicrous they are outside of their natural home anyway. Hilariously impractical.
loudlashadjuster said:
Chasing Potatoes said:
I assume this won’t pass any crash regs in Europe (particularly for pedestrians) and this never be sold outside of the US?
It is horrifically ugly and pointless.
Yeah, doubt you’ll ever see them outside of North America. It is horrifically ugly and pointless.
If you’ve ever seen an F-250 in the UK you’ll know how ludicrous they are outside of their natural home anyway. Hilariously impractical.
Motor manufacturers are allowed to do a degree of self-certification and I am sure they have submitted the data to the federal authorities. What does this mean for crash safety? Who knows, but I am sure that Tesla are legally selling trucks though It is going to be interesting when the IIHS does their testing though - their safety ratings do make an impact. Ford and GM recently got slammed for their poor ratings:
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/class-summary/large-p...
What is interesting is that both the Rivian and Toyota Tundra did well and everyone else not so much.
loudlashadjuster said:
I know the US favours a 'risk based' approach to things like regulations and safety, but how on earth can manufacturers self-certify something as complex and litigation-friendly as a car with regards to crash testing?
It all has a very weird whiff about it.
Because car manufacturers have a lot of money and US politicians have very large pockets?It all has a very weird whiff about it.
loudlashadjuster said:
I know the US favours a 'risk based' approach to things like regulations and safety, but how on earth can manufacturers self-certify something as complex and litigation-friendly as a car with regards to crash testing?
It all has a very weird whiff about it.
Boeing did it with aircraft - the US seem to prefer to deal wth these things afterwards in the courts.It all has a very weird whiff about it.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/11/the-tesla-cyb...
"Musk implied that in a crash with another vehicle, the Cybertruck—which weighs 6,603–6,843 lbs (2,995–3,104 kg)—will destroy the other vehicle."
So that's great.
"Musk implied that in a crash with another vehicle, the Cybertruck—which weighs 6,603–6,843 lbs (2,995–3,104 kg)—will destroy the other vehicle."
So that's great.
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