Eletre

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Europa Jon

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555 posts

124 months

Tuesday 11th July 2023
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Just seen TeslaBjorn's review on YT - he was impressed, basically saying there's nothing better in the segment.

Frimley111R

15,677 posts

235 months

Tuesday 11th July 2023
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ds666 said:
Lost interest and got deposit back .
Of course you did.

giveitfish

4,033 posts

215 months

Tuesday 11th July 2023
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Bizarre video review from Matt Prior. I think he's spent too long on Pistonheads and absorbed a bit of the mindset lol.

He basically said it's really good but spent his time comparing it to an Elise instead of it's market segment, and when he finally compared it to another EV he mentioned the low-slung saloon Taycan instead of it's rivals like the iX7, Model X or RR Sport. Do Cayenne reviews still harp on about not having rear-biased weight distribution and flat-6 howl or have we moved past that now?

It's like he just couldn't bring himself to assess the car on it's own merits.

Ironically the Elise is like a lead-weight around the neck of Lotus in the UK, but I assume less so in markets like the US and not at all in China.

ThomW

1,103 posts

29 months

Monday 24th July 2023
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giveitfish said:
Bizarre video review from Matt Prior. I think he's spent too long on Pistonheads and absorbed a bit of the mindset lol.

He basically said it's really good but spent his time comparing it to an Elise instead of it's market segment, and when he finally compared it to another EV he mentioned the low-slung saloon Taycan instead of it's rivals like the iX7, Model X or RR Sport. Do Cayenne reviews still harp on about not having rear-biased weight distribution and flat-6 howl or have we moved past that now?

It's like he just couldn't bring himself to assess the car on it's own merits.

Ironically the Elise is like a lead-weight around the neck of Lotus in the UK, but I assume less so in markets like the US and not at all in China.
Yeah really surprising, Prior is usually spot on with his reviews, really enjoy watching and reading his work normally.

ds666

2,641 posts

180 months

Monday 24th July 2023
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Frimley111R said:
ds666 said:
Lost interest and got deposit back .
Of course you did.
What's that supposed to mean ?

PVX593K

138 posts

179 months

Monday 24th July 2023
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it means he doesn't believe you

ds666

2,641 posts

180 months

Monday 24th July 2023
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PVX593K said:
it means he doesn't believe you
He shouldn't judge others by his own standards then , lol .

Truth is I love my Taycan CT Turbo so hope that the saloon EV Lotus does next may be a better match for what I like . In the meantime I'll have to live with just 2 lotuses in the garage .

DMZ

1,403 posts

161 months

Monday 24th July 2023
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Why not just keep the Taycan? It’s not like another EV is going to do anything a whole lot different. Same PlayStation press and go, give or take.

ds666

2,641 posts

180 months

Monday 24th July 2023
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DMZ said:
Why not just keep the Taycan? It’s not like another EV is going to do anything a whole lot different. Same PlayStation press and go, give or take.
We've had - i3(x2) , Etron , I Pace and an electric Mini - I can assure you they are all very different smile

AstonZagato

12,714 posts

211 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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DMZ said:
Why not just keep the Taycan? It’s not like another EV is going to do anything a whole lot different. Same PlayStation press and go, give or take.
Yeah, in the same way that every ICE is identical - put fuel in it, rev and go (give or take).

ds666

2,641 posts

180 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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AstonZagato said:
DMZ said:
Why not just keep the Taycan? It’s not like another EV is going to do anything a whole lot different. Same PlayStation press and go, give or take.
Yeah, in the same way that every ICE is identical - put fuel in it, rev and go (give or take).
Quite

DMZ

1,403 posts

161 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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What do you expect that a Lotus saloon EV to do differently/better than your already sunken cost Taycan that would justify a change?

ds666

2,641 posts

180 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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DMZ said:
What do you expect that a Lotus saloon EV to do differently/better than your already sunken cost Taycan that would justify a change?
Change doesn't need to be different or better , just a matter of choice - but I'd hope a Lotus EV might handle and go as well at the Taycan, with a better range . .

fridaypassion

8,581 posts

229 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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This one's crept up on me a bit love the look of it Mrs has a macan that Porsche are begging to buy back I think I could get her in one of these. I'm totally out of the loop with the EV writedowns for powerfully built company directors but her car is just completely privately owned currently so obviously it makes more sense for us to have her in a company car as a co director but haven't seen anything yet that is as appealing as the Macan. She is one of those yummy mummy types that won't drive anything but an SUV now so the Eletre is the first EV that's really caught oir attention. I would just really have the usual concerns about the lack of service backup/will it ever arrive if we order etc etc

Edited by fridaypassion on Wednesday 26th July 13:09

DMZ

1,403 posts

161 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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I don't know about the ownership experience but tbh I don't think many Taycan owners/leasers would be singing Porsche's praise either. I would expect Geely to be able to screw together a car a lot better than Porsche tbh, minimally because you don't have a gazillion options that need to be assembled in infinite amounts of variations and I would think Geely is a lot more mature in terms of EVs than when Porsche started out with the Taycan and hopefully do a bit more testing as well like making sure the car has heating in the winter and that kind of thing. The Eletre is very attractive to my eyes, possibly the best looking of that lot, and that's a good start. It certainly looks the money and has the right sporty successful look about it. I'm sure it drives ok too but if that's a priority then you don't start with a 2,500kg EV obviously.

ds666

2,641 posts

180 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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The Taycan is such a resolved car - try driving one and then tell me it feels 2500kg . But it appears all your options here aren’t experience based ??

DMZ

1,403 posts

161 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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This is the very resolved car that you are looking to replace, lol?

I have owned or driven all the cars you have mentioned and plenty of others. I'm sure they are great. I don't necessarily make rational choices myself but for sure I will not pick a 2,500kg car if I want to have fun, as I define fun. But I don't think that's the ask here anyhow. Looks a bit sporty etc and is decent enough to drive down some main roads.

db10

276 posts

264 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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im a bit confused about the range of the lotus - the top spec model seems to have a lower range than the other spec models which seems a bit daft. I was thinking of going for the R but it has 70 miles less range. Given range anxiety is a very real thing, why would they do this. I might have to go for the s instead. I doubt the 0-60 performance is really going to matter in real life

Kevin Cozner

1,034 posts

105 months

Monday 11th September 2023
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db10 said:
im a bit confused about the range of the lotus - the top spec model seems to have a lower range than the other spec models which seems a bit daft. I was thinking of going for the R but it has 70 miles less range. Given range anxiety is a very real thing, why would they do this. I might have to go for the s instead. I doubt the 0-60 performance is really going to matter in real life
It's a weird one with EVs that more power = less expected range. Whether it's because manufacturers/testers whoever think that we'd spend more time booting the more powerful ones... well, they're probably correct, but anyway.

The point is check the battery size, if it's the same size battery then the range should be similar for the same driving style.

giveitfish

4,033 posts

215 months

Monday 11th September 2023
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It's because the more powerful models generally have motors optimized for power over efficiency, wider & gripper tyres (more rolling and wind resistance) and often draggier higher downforce aero.

Are these losses from a 2-speed gearbox to add to the mix too for the top Eletre?