Taycan 4S Cross Turismo
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No one needs a Porsche. No one needs a Taycan. They are nice to have products, not staple, necessities.
There is an assymetry to the Taycan market., in that the tax break for the first, business onwer is collessal and almost too good to miss. Yes, you can also have a Tesla or whatever other EV, but if you want a Porsche...
The used market has nowhere near the same support from incentives. So used prices are always going to reflect that hit. I still know of business owners happily talking about taking the Taycan plunge.
There is an assymetry to the Taycan market., in that the tax break for the first, business onwer is collessal and almost too good to miss. Yes, you can also have a Tesla or whatever other EV, but if you want a Porsche...
The used market has nowhere near the same support from incentives. So used prices are always going to reflect that hit. I still know of business owners happily talking about taking the Taycan plunge.
Bailey. said:
I just can’t help but think few people own these for good reason.
What sort of 'good' reasons do you have in mind? Delivering food parcels? Perhaps ferrying old folks to hospital appointments? Rescuing kittens? Personally, I have one to be as generally 'bad' as possible. Whatever... they drive quite well IMO.Flying machine said:
What sort of 'good' reasons do you have in mind? Delivering food parcels? Perhaps ferrying old folks to hospital appointments? Rescuing kittens? Personally, I have one to be as generally 'bad' as possible. Whatever... they drive quite well IMO.
Poor range, reliability issues but most of all, potentially horrendous repair costs, battery issues and insurance. If I bought at £55k and they dropped to £25k I wouldn’t worry as I usually lose that on a car anyway.
I think you have to take a long term ownership view with these though. They are hard to trade in atm, let alone sell.
If I get one I’d be looking to keep it for a while with extended warranty.
TBF, not one yet knows how long and far any Taycan can go before serious battery degradation or failure. However, they run 800v, not 400v like most other EVs and so use lower current and May fare better.
What we do know is how many Tesla’s have done stellar mileage.
My Taycan has been okay on reliability. I do not, personally think there’s any make that has no horrendous issues. I know people with new Hyundai hybrids that have been off the road this year for months due to parts availability. Our financial controller runs a Kia EV6 and it threw a (known) wobble refusing to start for 20mins - they call it zombie mode.
What we do know is how many Tesla’s have done stellar mileage.
My Taycan has been okay on reliability. I do not, personally think there’s any make that has no horrendous issues. I know people with new Hyundai hybrids that have been off the road this year for months due to parts availability. Our financial controller runs a Kia EV6 and it threw a (known) wobble refusing to start for 20mins - they call it zombie mode.
Bailey. said:
If you can warranty these for £1100 a year for 15 years from new, I might consider a turbo at £55k.
I just can’t help but think few people own these for good reason.
99% are business lease.
The only cost that hasn’t had a massive price adjustment when it comes to the cost of owning/running a Porsche is the cost of extended warranties….it’s been the same for years. That either means they had such massive margins they are still making money out of it (it is an insurance backed product) or the price is going to go up at some stage. My bet is on the latter. Especially for EV’s where the insurer’s will,I suspect, look at the asymmetric risk profile and price accordingly. I just can’t help but think few people own these for good reason.
99% are business lease.
I know the extended warranties are very popular in the UK and apparently you can’t possibly own a car without it according to many posts here but I have never had one and in fact have three cars out of warranty at present and I’m sleeping quite well at night. £1,100 a year on a new-ish EV sounds crazy to me tbh.
DMZ said:
I know the extended warranties are very popular in the UK and apparently you can’t possibly own a car without it according to many posts here but I have never had one and in fact have three cars out of warranty at present and I’m sleeping quite well at night. £1,100 a year on a new-ish EV sounds crazy to me tbh.
I haven’t got one on any of my cars and I’ve never had one. Potential repair costs on a Taycan are ruinous.
Cheib said:
The only cost that hasn’t had a massive price adjustment when it comes to the cost of owning/running a Porsche is the cost of extended warranties….it’s been the same for years. That either means they had such massive margins they are still making money out of it (it is an insurance backed product) or the price is going to go up at some stage. My bet is on the latter. Especially for EV’s where the insurer’s will,I suspect, look at the asymmetric risk profile and price accordingly.
I think they would be brave to raise them across the board but may have to with the Taycan. Taycan look great value now but they’re a scary ownership proposition. The cost of replacing the windscreen is $4500.
I wouldn’t even consider having a panoramic roof from what I’ve read.
Bailey. said:
I think they would be brave to raise them across the board but may have to with the Taycan.
Taycan look great value now but they’re a scary ownership proposition. The cost of replacing the windscreen is $4500.
I wouldn’t even consider having a panoramic roof from what I’ve read.
The saloon looks okay without but the estates need one imho. I really like mine.Taycan look great value now but they’re a scary ownership proposition. The cost of replacing the windscreen is $4500.
I wouldn’t even consider having a panoramic roof from what I’ve read.
It's a Porsche. I'm not entirely sure why people expected it to be cheap to maintain.
The ritzy showrooms with complimentary cappuccinos and biscuit bar should have given the game away that you weren't shopping at Lidl.
Porsche owners have become a funny lot in the ponzi scheme GT car era that they seem to expect they can run an expensive premium car for free or at a profit.
I used to consider any trip to the Ferrari service desk that didn't end up leaving with a 5 figure service bill a win.
And even audi handed me a 6k quote on a RS4 that was worth barely 15k so I don't know what to tell you here, expensive cars are expensive to repair. This should be a given when the ticket price is north of 100k that its not put together with bits from halfords.
The ritzy showrooms with complimentary cappuccinos and biscuit bar should have given the game away that you weren't shopping at Lidl.
Porsche owners have become a funny lot in the ponzi scheme GT car era that they seem to expect they can run an expensive premium car for free or at a profit.
I used to consider any trip to the Ferrari service desk that didn't end up leaving with a 5 figure service bill a win.
And even audi handed me a 6k quote on a RS4 that was worth barely 15k so I don't know what to tell you here, expensive cars are expensive to repair. This should be a given when the ticket price is north of 100k that its not put together with bits from halfords.
But this is a 4 door saloon ev not a Ferrari.
I’ve never had an issue or cost of repair on any car I’ve had.
£15k for a new windscreen and roof seems ridiculous. Especially when you have to replace the screen with the roof even if not damaged.
The money they charge for coding and calibration (of a roof and screen) is ridiculous.
I’ve never had an issue or cost of repair on any car I’ve had.
£15k for a new windscreen and roof seems ridiculous. Especially when you have to replace the screen with the roof even if not damaged.
The money they charge for coding and calibration (of a roof and screen) is ridiculous.
Edited by Bailey. on Sunday 17th December 14:45
Edited by Bailey. on Sunday 17th December 14:46
Bailey. said:
But this is a 4 door saloon ev not a Ferrari.
I’ve never had an issue or cost of repair on any car I’ve had.
£15k for a new windscreen and roof seems ridiculous. Especially when you have to replace the screen with the roof even if not damaged.
The money they charge for coding and calibration (of a roof and screen) is ridiculous.
However I write this it’s going to sound wrong ! I’ve never had an issue or cost of repair on any car I’ve had.
£15k for a new windscreen and roof seems ridiculous. Especially when you have to replace the screen with the roof even if not damaged.
The money they charge for coding and calibration (of a roof and screen) is ridiculous.
Edited by Bailey. on Sunday 17th December 14:45
Edited by Bailey. on Sunday 17th December 14:46
To be fair in many cases it’s a £130-£170k 4dr car, I think the problem is the monthly rental / lease is so cheap for a £130-£170k car that perhaps it’s now being bought / rented by people who don’t normally buy in this range
I always took the view that if I was worried about paying 20% of the purchase price of a car in repairs in one year, I couldn’t afford it.
This year has been a bad one one on repairs on my classics !!
Phib
Bailey. said:
But this is a 4 door saloon ev not a Ferrari.
I’ve never had an issue or cost of repair on any car I’ve had.
£15k for a new windscreen and roof seems ridiculous. Especially when you have to replace the screen with the roof even if not damaged.
The money they charge for coding and calibration (of a roof and screen) is ridiculous.
It's a six figure saloon car. They do even worse depreciation-wise generally I’ve never had an issue or cost of repair on any car I’ve had.
£15k for a new windscreen and roof seems ridiculous. Especially when you have to replace the screen with the roof even if not damaged.
The money they charge for coding and calibration (of a roof and screen) is ridiculous.
Edited by Bailey. on Sunday 17th December 14:45
Edited by Bailey. on Sunday 17th December 14:46
I just had to have my roof replaced. Am very sure they didn't change the screen too.
Digga said:
Bailey. said:
I think they would be brave to raise them across the board but may have to with the Taycan.
Taycan look great value now but they’re a scary ownership proposition. The cost of replacing the windscreen is $4500.
I wouldn’t even consider having a panoramic roof from what I’ve read.
The saloon looks okay without but the estates need one imho. I really like mine.Taycan look great value now but they’re a scary ownership proposition. The cost of replacing the windscreen is $4500.
I wouldn’t even consider having a panoramic roof from what I’ve read.
Murph7355 said:
It's a six figure saloon car. They do even worse depreciation-wise generally
I just had to have my roof replaced. Am very sure they didn't change the screen too.
USA owners on Taycan forum have had to had new screen with new roofI just had to have my roof replaced. Am very sure they didn't change the screen too.
How much was the roof replacement?
Did it crack or was it chipped?
A well specced M3 is a six figure saloon car now. Money isn’t worth what it was.
Bailey. said:
But this is a 4 door saloon ev not a Ferrari.
I’ve never had an issue or cost of repair on any car I’ve had.
£15k for a new windscreen and roof seems ridiculous. Especially when you have to replace the screen with the roof even if not damaged.
The money they charge for coding and calibration (of a roof and screen) is ridiculous.
Not sure you'd get much change out of 15k for a new screen and roof on anything would you?I’ve never had an issue or cost of repair on any car I’ve had.
£15k for a new windscreen and roof seems ridiculous. Especially when you have to replace the screen with the roof even if not damaged.
The money they charge for coding and calibration (of a roof and screen) is ridiculous.
Edited by Bailey. on Sunday 17th December 14:45
Edited by Bailey. on Sunday 17th December 14:46
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