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I agree. Why wouldn't there be?
For many, a Porsche SUV could be the type of car they are wanting to dip their toe into the EV world with.
I would imagine we won't know how much the owners liked living with it for 2-3 years.
What happens to residuals, how many order a second etc., will ultimately tell us that.
But it is latest 'new thing' and it does genuinely offer something that many wanted when the Taycan came out, I suspect if the EV Macan had been released instead of the Taycan, it would not be hemorrhaging anywhere near as much money as the Taycan is now.
For many, a Porsche SUV could be the type of car they are wanting to dip their toe into the EV world with.
I would imagine we won't know how much the owners liked living with it for 2-3 years.
What happens to residuals, how many order a second etc., will ultimately tell us that.
But it is latest 'new thing' and it does genuinely offer something that many wanted when the Taycan came out, I suspect if the EV Macan had been released instead of the Taycan, it would not be hemorrhaging anywhere near as much money as the Taycan is now.
I would have thought it’s bleeding obvious why it won’t be true.
Majority of buyers would be company owners/directors who’ve already had their fingers burnt on the Taycan (epic car though).
Unless they’ve a 6 second memory, they’re unlikely to pile in to buy an SUV that won’t handle as well and will still be a tough sell-on to the private market in 24-36 months when the battery tech has moved on again.
Don’t think they’ll be enough new entrants to the market to sustain demand after the initial few months of hype.
People who benefit most from high end electric cars have already bought and the private buyer would be mad to pay the premium over petrol without the tax breaks.
Ps and this is coming from somebody who loves his Tacan CT.
Majority of buyers would be company owners/directors who’ve already had their fingers burnt on the Taycan (epic car though).
Unless they’ve a 6 second memory, they’re unlikely to pile in to buy an SUV that won’t handle as well and will still be a tough sell-on to the private market in 24-36 months when the battery tech has moved on again.
Don’t think they’ll be enough new entrants to the market to sustain demand after the initial few months of hype.
People who benefit most from high end electric cars have already bought and the private buyer would be mad to pay the premium over petrol without the tax breaks.
Ps and this is coming from somebody who loves his Tacan CT.
The Macan is a far more mass market car though. A Taycan is effectively a saloon car which nobody wants these days. The EV Macan is the first "yummy mummy" spec SUV EV and has a far broader appeal. You can't get the girls out of SUVs these days I have lobbied for the Mars to have a Tacan at 2024 money but she likes what she likes and has a Macan petrol when she could have a car through our business it would make much more financial sense. I'm sure a lot of people will have the same view.
The format at least makes sense to me - a performance SUV. You don’t expect it to be light, you wouldn’t take one for a drive for the hell of it, you just want it to look sporty and lifestylie and accelerate hard when you want to. Which seems to translate well to an EV. So I can well imagine they have a good order book.
garystoybox said:
I would have thought it’s bleeding obvious why it won’t be true.
Majority of buyers would be company owners/directors who’ve already had their fingers burnt on the Taycan (epic car though).
Unless they’ve a 6 second memory, they’re unlikely to pile in to buy an SUV that won’t handle as well and will still be a tough sell-on to the private market in 24-36 months when the battery tech has moved on again.
Don’t think they’ll be enough new entrants to the market to sustain demand after the initial few months of hype.
People who benefit most from high end electric cars have already bought and the private buyer would be mad to pay the premium over petrol without the tax breaks.
Ps and this is coming from somebody who loves his Tacan CT.
If you look at figures for EV ownership, let's take the US as figures available, EVs account for nearly 1% of car ownership. Majority of buyers would be company owners/directors who’ve already had their fingers burnt on the Taycan (epic car though).
Unless they’ve a 6 second memory, they’re unlikely to pile in to buy an SUV that won’t handle as well and will still be a tough sell-on to the private market in 24-36 months when the battery tech has moved on again.
Don’t think they’ll be enough new entrants to the market to sustain demand after the initial few months of hype.
People who benefit most from high end electric cars have already bought and the private buyer would be mad to pay the premium over petrol without the tax breaks.
Ps and this is coming from somebody who loves his Tacan CT.
That is a hell of a lot of people who still haven't been put off by them yet.
You never know, if they do the mileage some of the tests reported, maybe they will become desirable. But again, it will take 2-3 years to really see that I would imagine. I mean we will know before then, but residuals will need to sort themselves out to make them at least as cheap at a Macan GTS before people jump in in massive numbers.
There’s been very little chat on here about the new Macan EV. Over on the Macan forum it hasn’t been well received. They still love their Gen 1 Turbos or Gen 3 GTSs.
If those orders are genuine then it is again coming from company owners making use of their tax breaks. Maybe swapping the wife’s 2.0 Macan for the electric 4.
If those orders are genuine then it is again coming from company owners making use of their tax breaks. Maybe swapping the wife’s 2.0 Macan for the electric 4.
Cobnapint said:
I can't understand why it's not well received, nobody has driven one yet.
Because it is going to cost you £1500 a month, so for most who can afford it close to the first £30k a year of your salary if you are a personal buyer. That is doing 8k miles a year. You could be in an ICE GTS for £600 a month less, so after fuel it is £3500 a year more expensive if you don't pay a penny for charging.
It makes no financial sense. Unless......
If you are a company car driver and have £1500 a month allowance, then sure, it starts to make a bit of sense.
That was my point earlier, in 2-3 years these might make loads more sense. If residuals firm up, than it starts to look a far better ownership proposition.
Right now, not so much.
I got some vwfs quotes the day they went live and shortly afterwards I got external finance quotes through a broker. From memory, for a regulated agreement the broker was waaay more competitive and hence, that's the route I'll be going down for mine. I feel VWFS are being understandably overly cautious
23wn_4f2 said:
I got some vwfs quotes the day they went live and shortly afterwards I got external finance quotes through a broker. From memory, for a regulated agreement the broker was waaay more competitive and hence, that's the route I'll be going down for mine. I feel VWFS are being understandably overly cautious
Yeah, brokers are being far more optimistic, but if it is worth £20k less than the balloon at the end of the term I'm the one who has to bung that in. The residuals that Porsche set, in normal times, tend to be what cars are worth at the end of the term. Funny that.
Cobnapint said:
I can't understand why it's not well received, nobody has driven one yet.
It's simple really and nothing to do with how it drives which we don't know yet as you say.It's all about cost. Big price increase versus the ICE cars, high interest rates and poor residuals. If you're a private buyer with no govt subsidies it makes no sense.
Imagine you're in a 2021 Macan GTS, drives and sounds amazing and very low monthlies (low rates and high residuals from the Covid era).
And then this EV rocks up and you're a regular guy not a company director... You'd be looking at 2x monthlies or more. No wonder the forums are negative.
Once the company directors have filled up their tax breaks it will flop just like all the others.
Edited by GT3ZZZ on Monday 25th March 21:54
Imagine an asset worth £100k. But there's a tax break available to a few select new buyers worth £15k. So its real cost is £85k.
Then it depreciates over 3 years to say £50k. Not bad if you bought it for £85k so £35k down. But a bit s
t if you were a private punter who paid £100k.
Higher end EV's aimed at company directors are doomed with the general public.
Then it depreciates over 3 years to say £50k. Not bad if you bought it for £85k so £35k down. But a bit s
t if you were a private punter who paid £100k. Higher end EV's aimed at company directors are doomed with the general public.
williaa68 said:
Does anyone know when the 2WD Macan might be released, please? I assume there will be one at some point? I am guessing with sensible wheels that might end up with a real world range of 330-350 miles, which is my holy grail....
In both standard and PBP derivatives, the current 2WD Taycan only has marginal range advantage over the Taycan 4. So, IMO you won't see much difference with the Macan, especially when you factor in usage scenarios.tescorank said:
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