RE: INEOS Grenadier prototype | PH Review

[Penguinracer]

I think its main completion will be the Toyota Landcruiser & the Nissan Patrol...especially in Australia, Africa, the Middle East & North America.

A tough market...selling into locations where unreliability can threaten your longevity (which did for JLR products in Australasia, Africa, the M.E. & with the UN)...it'll take time to prove it's dependability & it will really need a pricing advantage to make headway against these trusted & established competitors.

[ZedLeg]

Penguinracer said:

I think its main completion will be the Toyota Landcruiser & the Nissan Patrol...especially in Australia, Africa, the Middle East & North America.

A tough market...selling into locations where unreliability can threaten your longevity (which did for JLR products in Australasia, Africa, the M.E. & with the UN)...it'll take time to prove it's dependability & it will really need a pricing advantage to make headway against these trusted & established competitors.

That's the thing, I'm not convinced the BMW engines will be rugged enough to compete with the reliability of the Japanese. Let's see how they're doing after 10 years of breathing outback dust

[braddo]

Penguinracer said:

... Australia, Africa, the Middle East ...

These markets are tiny. There is lots of land mass but very few potential buyers of an untested, expensive vehicle with no brand pedigree. I'd be amazed if they sell 1000 a year into Australia but good luck to them if they do.

[sisu]

sleeky said:

Spotted at Corely services yesterday

German plates on a prototype from Hambach in France in Britain. Strange

[PhillipM]

camel_landy said:

It's clearly not that unique, if they let other brands use it.

M

It's not even made by BMW, it's done at the same factory that churns out levers and switch gear for JLR and Merc.

[petemurphy]

sisu said:

German plates on a prototype from Hambach in France in Britain. Strange

I saw a blue one like that today in Gloucestershire

[sisu]

petemurphy said:

sisu said:

German plates on a prototype from Hambach in France in Britain. Strange

I saw a blue one like that today in Gloucestershire

The thing that is odd, is that we are now a year into this. This article came out in Feb '22 and this was a factory that has been making cars for 20 years. It was supposed to make 150 prototypes by May 2022, a slow start. But understandable.
https://overland-europe.com/ineos-automotive-compl...

Given that most factories build 1000-1800 SUVs of this size per day and this is is a brand new factory the fact that its still in the 150 over a year is not good. Simply because they are not designed to be Morgan build speed, the dump bath for the primer is just that. A big bucket of paint. You can paint them later, you can assemble them later. But once you start you can't stop.

[RacerMike]

petemurphy said:

sisu said:

German plates on a prototype from Hambach in France in Britain. Strange

I saw a blue one like that today in Gloucestershire

BB plates are Boxberg Germany where Bosch are based. Likely a car being used by Bosch Chassis systems to tune ESP, ABS and Traction control. There is still some engineering effort for calibration over here in the UK I believe, so presumably they're over doing some sign off or calibration. You'll usually see most German prototypes either running plates from their local area (S for Merc and Porsche, M for BMW) or the BB plates, and the BB ones will be long term cal cars for either Bosch Powertrain or Chassis systems.

Edited by RacerMike on Tuesday 7th February 09:34

[soxboy]

RacerMike said:

BB plates are Boxberg Germany where Bosch are based. Likely a car being used by Bosch Chassis systems to tune ESP, ABS and Traction control. There is still some engineering effort for calibration over here in the UK I believe, so presumably they're over doing some sign off or calibration. You'll usually see most German prototypes either running plates from their local area (S for Merc and Porsche, M for BMW) or the BB plates, and the BB ones will be long term cal cars for either Bosch Powertrain or Chassis systems.

Edited by RacerMike on Tuesday 7th February 09:34

BB always reminds me of Porsche, especially the 959.

[RacerMike]

soxboy said:

RacerMike said:

BB plates are Boxberg Germany where Bosch are based. Likely a car being used by Bosch Chassis systems to tune ESP, ABS and Traction control. There is still some engineering effort for calibration over here in the UK I believe, so presumably they're over doing some sign off or calibration. You'll usually see most German prototypes either running plates from their local area (S for Merc and Porsche, M for BMW) or the BB plates, and the BB ones will be long term cal cars for either Bosch Powertrain or Chassis systems.

Edited by RacerMike on Tuesday 7th February 09:34

BB always reminds me of Porsche, especially the 959.

Yup. Just up the road from Porsche (about 30mins drive).

[Digga]

RacerMike said:

soxboy said:

RacerMike said:

BB plates are Boxberg Germany where Bosch are based. Likely a car being used by Bosch Chassis systems to tune ESP, ABS and Traction control. There is still some engineering effort for calibration over here in the UK I believe, so presumably they're over doing some sign off or calibration. You'll usually see most German prototypes either running plates from their local area (S for Merc and Porsche, M for BMW) or the BB plates, and the BB ones will be long term cal cars for either Bosch Powertrain or Chassis systems.

Edited by RacerMike on Tuesday 7th February 09:34

BB always reminds me of Porsche, especially the 959.

Yup. Just up the road from Porsche (about 30mins drive).

FWIW whilst factory is in Hambach, INEOS also have offices near Frankfurt where many of the team are based.

[sisu]

The intercooler have a 3000 word review of the Grenadier live at midnite on their app. It would seem that these are press cars and they drove them from Scotland to the pub its named after in London.

[Digga]

sisu said:

The intercooler have a 3000 word review of the Grenadier live at midnite on their app. It would seem that these are press cars and they drove them from Scotland to the pub its named after in London.

Need more info.

The INEOS & Flag?

The INEOS Head?

The INEOS Arms?

[sisu]

F20CN16 said:

Digga said:

sisu said:

The intercooler have a 3000 word review of the Grenadier live at midnite on their app. It would seem that these are press cars and they drove them from Scotland to the pub its named after in London.

Need more info.

The INEOS & Flag?

The INEOS Head?

The INEOS Arms?

Grenadier…

Christ

If you are in Belgravia, Wilton Road in SW1X the Grenadier Pub Car park is not what you would call its draw card. Great if you live in the area or know someone who owns a house there.


Pop on your red trousers chaps and shout out "Xavier! As I live and breathe how are we" if you want to blend in.

Edited by sisu on Wednesday 8th February 09:34

[Digga]

sisu said:

If you are in Belgravia, Wilton Road in SW1X the Grenadier Pub Car park is not what you would call its draw card. Great if you live in the area or know someone who owns a house there.


Pop on your red trousers chaps and shout out "Xavier! As I live and breathe how are we" as you go it sort of pub if you want to blend in.

I was being obtuse.

My mate works for them, so he's had the obligatory visit or two to 'the pub'.

FWIW he is not what I would call a 'raspberry trousered bd' either. Just a Brummie bd.

[anonymous-user]

sisu said:

If you are in Belgravia, Wilton Road in SW1X the Grenadier Pub Car park is not what you would call its draw card. Great if you live in the area or know someone who owns a house there.


Pop on your red trousers chaps and shout out "Xavier! As I live and breathe how are we" if you want to blend in.

The Grenadier is a decent boozer and serves a good pint. I've been in there a few times for a drink with friends. There are better pubs within a few hundred yards though, such as The Wilton on Kinnerton Street.

One pub just round the corner from The Grenadier that you absolutely should not go to is 'The Nags Head' (also on Kinnerton Street). It is a grubby old place run by an absolute nutcase landlord who refuses to take card payments, bars anyone who looks at their mobile phone, and shouts abuse at anyone who he thinks is a tourist or just doesn't like the look of. There is a psychotic barmaid who also hates all customers and if she wants you out, for no apparent reason, she will just come over, take your half-consumed drinks off you and kick you out. Bizarre.

[NomduJour]

£15 minimum on card means the Nag’s has got ahead of itself (as a longtime customer).

[sisu]

NomduJour said:

£15 minimum on card means the Nag’s has got ahead of itself (as a longtime customer).

Yes we only visited the Nags Head with my friend using ridiculous Peter Sellers French accents, asking for a Plateau à fromage slower and slower with more articulation, then a Chez bored hoping our English would be understood.

[Lester H]

anonymous-user said:

Why do people keep saying its basic and rugged? It looks about as basic and rugged as the current Mercedes G Class to me.

. It’s rugged. Just look at the chassis!

[jeremy996]

It's rugged. It is hugely overbuilt as a mall crawler, which is why it weighs 2.7 tonnes.
The chassis is built by a German company more used to commercial vehicles.
The axles are from Carraro, more usually under tractors.
The transfer case is from Tremec, famous for the Maclaren F1 gearbox.




Mine, while marshalling a cycle race.