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S2Mike
2,068 posts
19 months
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Dreamspeed, you mention the "MG X POWER SV do you remember them being built by enthusiasts," well by chance today, I had a very interesting chat with a chap, who has bought up all the body and mechanicals of these supercars, now in process of building them on a small scale, in a local factory, looking for some parts to be made and engraved by myself. Looking at getting the first one finished in the next couple of months, already taken a deposit and talking £50,000 each.
There is a market out there for vehicles with character and performance.
In a factory unit near you eh?
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Nikolai
126 posts
15 months
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Let's not get carried away with talk of flywheels etc! 1 step at a time. The most important thing especially for a 2 seat roadster or mid eng sports car is looks, which is also very difficult to get right. No harm in being ambitious but most car designs can be made to accept electric power retrospectively, it is much more important in the early stages of unleashing a car to the world to make sure people at least want to be seen in it.
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Toltec
1,809 posts
92 months
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KDIcarmad said: A friend of mean said the same. Could you use more than one, meaning they could be smaller? They were unclear if this would work, or would create more problems. Some else remembered buses in Sweden used flywheels when they lived there. I know the Audi's had one at Le Mans this year, so I could work. GM may have build a electric car with a flywheel intended to run at Le Mans at some point in the 80's or 90's. Never race it as they feared it crashing and the flywheel escaping. This could be wrong.
Are there any other way to store electric power, apart from batteries or a flywheel? With a bus the relative masses of the flywheel and vehicle plus the lack of a requirement for dynamic responses in both speed and direction make using a flywheel a more sensible proposition. You might be able use counter rotating flywheels to cancel one another out? Pretty scary amount of energy to have in a car with you, have you ever seen the video of a clutch letting go in a drag car? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Cxf2m6Q9M
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Dreamspeed
200 posts
18 months
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S2Mike said: Dreamspeed, you mention the "MG X POWER SV do you remember them being built by enthusiasts," well by chance today, I had a very interesting chat with a chap, who has bought up all the body and mechanicals of these supercars, now in process of building them on a small scale, in a local factory, looking for some parts to be made and engraved by myself. Looking at getting the first one finished in the next couple of months, already taken a deposit and talking £50,000 each.
There is a market out there for vehicles with character and performance.
In a factory unit near you eh? Really? Now that is interesting. I’d like to know much more about that. I’ve always liked the MG X Power SV. I was very disappointed in the way the MG badge was used in the 80’s (Montego/Maestro) and thought the cars in the 90’s onwards were no real match for a German/Japanese equivalent. But when the MG SV came out, it showed promise, especially when it was on TopGear and they mentioned a 5.0 litre 1000bhp version which they promised to bring back and test on the track, but they never did. How far away is this “factory unit”?, might just drive by and use the old knock at the door trick “Hi, can I borrow a cup of brown sugar” 
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Dreamspeed
200 posts
18 months
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Nikolai said: Let's not get carried away with talk of flywheels etc! 1 step at a time. The most important thing especially for a 2 seat roadster or mid eng sports car is looks, which is also very difficult to get right. No harm in being ambitious but most car designs can be made to accept electric power retrospectively, it is much more important in the early stages of unleashing a car to the world to make sure people at least want to be seen in it. Yes, I think we may be getting a little carried away, just a tad. After a quick search on EBay, I’ve failed to find a £500 spares or repairs donor car, with a flywheel energy storage system; I did the same search with Hydrogen powered cells, still no luck. Sorry for the touch of sarcasm there KDIcarmad, I just couldn’t resist  , but teasing aside I get your point, if a team of post graduate scientists with deep pockets wish to take our Brit-fire chassis/body and install a flux-capacitor, then I’m fine with that. But we’re back to making the car modular again, so any power train can be made to fit. So the car must look good, and have a chassis worthy of all these possible engine combinations. IMHO, it’s a 50/50 split between a good looking car, with great mechanical engineering behind it.
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KDIcarmad
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703 posts
20 months
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Nikolai said: Let's not get carried away with talk of flywheels etc! 1 step at a time. The most important thing especially for a 2 seat roadster or mid eng sports car is looks, which is also very difficult to get right. No harm in being ambitious but most car designs can be made to accept electric power retrospectively, it is much more important in the early stages of unleashing a car to the world to make sure people at least want to be seen in it. I would agree that the look of a car is very important. first we need to prove/test out the flywheels system. Once we have done that it we will understand what the car need to carry, how big the system would be and what it weights. The car could then be design round the system. Now this ones for Dreamspeed. You like old Bentley, as do I, well how about Brit-30...  I had forgotten down loading this. It is the Bentley-Dynamo concept by Marc Senger. I like this a lot, it bends retro and current design ideas in a very nice way. As a lot of people seem to be work on recreating TVR this could be a better idea for Brit-Fire. A bit like the current Morgans, retro modern and powered by a BMW. For me personal I like smaller light car, but this could convert me, not that it is that big.Use the darker British racing green that Jaguar's used at Le Mans in the 50's/60's and it would look right, powered by a V12 BMW blown! As to the chassis I think you could use a seven or Cobra.
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Dreamspeed
200 posts
18 months
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KDIcarmad said: I would agree that the look of a car is very important. first we need to prove/test out the flywheels system. Once we have done that it we will understand what the car need to carry, how big the system would be and what it weights. The car could then be design round the system. Now this ones for Dreamspeed. You like old Bentley, as do I, well how about Brit-30... I had forgotten down loading this. It is the Bentley-Dynamo concept by Marc Senger. I like this a lot, it bends retro and current design ideas in a very nice way. As a lot of people seem to be work on recreating TVR this could be a better idea for Brit-Fire. A bit like the current Morgans, retro modern and powered by a BMW. For me personal I like smaller light car, but this could convert me, not that it is that big.Use the darker British racing green that Jaguar's used at Le Mans in the 50's/60's and it would look right, powered by a V12 BMW blown! As to the chassis I think you could use a seven or Cobra. I like that, especially with the Blown BMW V12. I’d give it some side pipes, so you could see the “crackle”! You’d need a serious chassis; I’d be looking at 1000bhp so a monster Cobra chassis with extra bracing should do the trick. Actually, just had a thought, use Mercedes S-class running gear, with its V12, Blown of course. It would be like bringing the Bentley boys and the mighty Mercs together from the 20’s! I don’t think it’ll fit any of the 3-car line up currently suggested though, so only one thing for it….. a 4-car line up! This will be called the “Brit-Titan” (TITAN (Τῑτάν): According to Diodorus, the Titans were named after their mother Titaia, meaning "fire; to burn." Hesiod derives the name from titaino, "straining." In Greek mythology, this is the name of a sun god, the brother of Helios, and the name of a race of giants. It is also the name of the largest moon of the planet Saturn.) Still keeping the “fire” theme, but must admit; looked that one up!
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dandare
202 posts
123 months
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What about the BMW Z3? I think any other BMW engine will fit the gearbox if someone should want a more powerful engine. They can be bought for under 2 grand, and maybe you could use a lot of the suspension, or even just do a re-body so that you don't need to go through IVA. I'm sure a "new" TVR could be based on this. A nice wide track as standard and of good quality. The CAD data is probably available (with a bit of searching), so it could be designed on a computer, before investing too much on production.
(the thread is too long to read, so apologies if someone has already suggested this).
Daniel
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one eyed mick
565 posts
30 months
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That Bentley similar look is to me the nicest thing I've seen in a long time bar non although it may only have a limited following bult with some thing half sensible and afford able could have some sales potential,perhaps on a beemer 3 series floor pan could be nice GT in the old style
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KDIcarmad
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703 posts
20 months
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 Another car inspired by the 1920 Le Mans Bentley. The Aero Ace-Speed IV, a very aerodynamic car that reflect current ideas well. For more on this http://www.industrialdesignserved.com/Gallery/Bent...A very track aimed car. Seat 1+1 tandem, still interesting. Now a roadster ...  A bit to hot rod! Not a great design (do you agree?) but shows there is lot of new room for a modern retro car. for more go to http://www.motorsportretro.com/2012/07/bentley-bar...I am of any age to remember when the 1930's Roadster market was one of the most important in the kit car industry. Now it is all but gone, new designs like could change all that. Morgan is selling similar modern/retro designs that are generating buyers, new buyers to them. These are exciting and different to anything on sale today in the kit car world. Add in our ideas on simple build kits. I can see how I would market these to people outside the normal kit buyer. Like the Merc donor idea. They offer a range of engines and no FWD problems. I wonder why no one is using them?
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MG CHRIS
2,690 posts
36 months
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Im sure ive seen a few kits with merc engines a agm wlr with a 6 litre v12. But i think the biggest problem with merc is not many have manual gearboxes which is what you want in a kit.
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dmulally
2,773 posts
49 months
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KDIcarmad said: Now a roadster ... Love it. Reminds me of the Volvo Jakob update that came out a couple of years ago. I am building a roadster at the moment but not for a kit. Got the chassis rolling on the weekend in fact. 
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S2Mike
2,068 posts
19 months
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Dreamspeed said: S2Mike said: Dreamspeed, you mention the "MG X POWER SV do you remember them being built by enthusiasts," well by chance today, I had a very interesting chat with a chap, who has bought up all the body and mechanicals of these supercars, now in process of building them on a small scale, in a local factory, looking for some parts to be made and engraved by myself. Looking at getting the first one finished in the next couple of months, already taken a deposit and talking £50,000 each.
There is a market out there for vehicles with character and performance.
In a factory unit near you eh? Really? Now that is interesting. I’d like to know much more about that. I’ve always liked the MG X Power SV. I was very disappointed in the way the MG badge was used in the 80’s (Montego/Maestro) and thought the cars in the 90’s onwards were no real match for a German/Japanese equivalent. But when the MG SV came out, it showed promise, especially when it was on TopGear and they mentioned a 5.0 litre 1000bhp version which they promised to bring back and test on the track, but they never did. How far away is this “factory unit”?, might just drive by and use the old knock at the door trick “Hi, can I borrow a cup of brown sugar” . Its on the Waterloo trading estate in Bidford on Avon, Warwickshire, and Tenbury Wells near Worcester. Apparently according to the chap who came to see me there were only 82 made, originally and at least 12 have ceased to be! With Gerald TVR in Redditch building a Tuscan "homage", it must be getting back to the days gone by when everyone and their dog was having a go at building cars in the shed. Like Swallow Sidecars, and see where that got Great Britain, until we " dropped the baton ". ! Exciting Times for the real Car Enthusiasts..
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KDIcarmad
Original Poster
703 posts
20 months
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S2Mike said: Dreamspeed said: S2Mike said: Dreamspeed, you mention the "MG X POWER SV do you remember them being built by enthusiasts," well by chance today, I had a very interesting chat with a chap, who has bought up all the body and mechanicals of these supercars, now in process of building them on a small scale, in a local factory, looking for some parts to be made and engraved by myself. Looking at getting the first one finished in the next couple of months, already taken a deposit and talking £50,000 each.
There is a market out there for vehicles with character and performance.
In a factory unit near you eh? Really? Now that is interesting. I’d like to know much more about that. I’ve always liked the MG X Power SV. I was very disappointed in the way the MG badge was used in the 80’s (Montego/Maestro) and thought the cars in the 90’s onwards were no real match for a German/Japanese equivalent. But when the MG SV came out, it showed promise, especially when it was on TopGear and they mentioned a 5.0 litre 1000bhp version which they promised to bring back and test on the track, but they never did. How far away is this “factory unit”?, might just drive by and use the old knock at the door trick “Hi, can I borrow a cup of brown sugar” . Its on the Waterloo trading estate in Bidford on Avon, Warwickshire, and Tenbury Wells near Worcester. Apparently according to the chap who came to see me there were only 82 made, originally and at least 12 have ceased to be! With Gerald TVR in Redditch building a Tuscan "homage", it must be getting back to the days gone by when everyone and their dog was having a go at building cars in the shed. Like Swallow Sidecars, and see where that got Great Britain, until we " dropped the baton ". ! Exciting Times for the real Car Enthusiasts.. If these all do well and I hope they do, room for Brit-Fire will be limited. I know a Rover dealer who had an MG X Power SV. I did see him out in this. It look great! Rover could sometimes get it right! When I win the Lottery. Will these use the name MG, I remember a battle over this with the Chinese owners of Rover (or is that still owned by BMW as Riley is). As to the Gerald TVR attempt to build a homage to the Tuscan. What a cleaver way to put it. A through not mine, is there a market for a TVR like car, or just for a TVR! Let me explain, the cars were big powerful sportscar so anyone can build one. TVR was more than just the cars, it was an image a brand name that said a lot. A rebel company for the interdependently minded, two fingers to every one in metal. To the end they did thing there way, moving away from V8's to a straight 6. No one else can be TVR. Is there a gap for a car like a TVR or just for a TVR.
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S2Mike
2,068 posts
19 months
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I looked up the battle for using the MG logo, first round went to Nanjing Automotive, but I have heard rumours that an appeal was successful on a deal of some sort but I have no proof. Seeing as this guy is going for production of up to 1000 a year he must have a plan!
This is a V8 mustang engined beast, so the Brit-Spark/Fire/Inferno and Volcano. . The earth moving V12.? Still has a place.
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KDIcarmad
Original Poster
703 posts
20 months
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Dreamspeed said: I like that, especially with the Blown BMW V12. I’d give it some side pipes, so you could see the “crackle”! You’d need a serious chassis; I’d be looking at 1000bhp so a monster Cobra chassis with extra bracing should do the trick. Actually, just had a thought, use Mercedes S-class running gear, with its V12, Blown of course. It would be like bringing the Bentley boys and the mighty Mercs together from the 20’s! I don’t think it’ll fit any of the 3-car line up currently suggested though, so only one thing for it….. a 4-car line up! This will be called the “Brit-Titan” (TITAN (Τῑτάν): According to Diodorus, the Titans were named after their mother Titaia, meaning "fire; to burn." Hesiod derives the name from titaino, "straining." In Greek mythology, this is the name of a sun god, the brother of Helios, and the name of a race of giants. It is also the name of the largest moon of the planet Saturn.) Still keeping the “fire” theme, but must admit; looked that one up! Spoke with a friend of a friend connected to Drag racing. Who sees two problem with 1000bhp, gearbox and tyres. Very few gearbox will take this much power for more than a few seconds and every less for road use. Tyres are a bigger problem, very few will not be damaged by this, the few that can take will only do so once! The damage done means changing them after full speed runs. Would also use a lot of petrol, so big tank needed. They hint that 650-850 could be more use for a road car. In fact they know of a V12 Mercedes that runs a proven 767 BHP. This is in Spain and used on the road. Has had gearbox problems which they are still working on, slip at around 700 BHP when drag raced. They are looking a Dodge Viper gearbox as used by Bristol in the Figther 1015 BHP claimed. They also made a comment on the chassis. He owned a Dax Cobra and commented that was a very chassis, he had a 650 BHP BMW engine out of a drag car in this for a number of years. Sad written off a few years back by a French lorry when it was parked. I believe this chassis was used under the BMW Z7 car in James Bond.
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KDIcarmad
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703 posts
20 months
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Stuart Mills said: The MEVX5 Coupe body can be fitted on the Superlight chassis. It would involve using the MX5 screen and frame but is not impossible to cut off the donor. The kits are available but we are offering the project for sale too if anyone is interested in becoming a car manufacturer for only 15k, if you are you are surely insane!
We do need the space and the X5 is not moving in any serious numbers compared to the Exocet and the new MEVSTER is already selling even though it is not finished. I read this on another topic. Nice to know we are all insane for thinking of becoming a car manufacturer. Clearly so is Stuart Mills! What does not selling serious numbers mean? If this means less than 10 a year with only a small profit on each you would be insane to take this on. If its 30-50 year with that small profit it could work...
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KDIcarmad
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20 months
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S2Mike
2,068 posts
19 months
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That should have a Government Health warning on it!! yeeeeeeeuuu!
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KDIcarmad
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703 posts
20 months
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    Can you guess which country this comes from? Where the engine is? How big? (If British bet It would have big motor bike). Personal I don't like that funny hart shape grill. I really like the rear 2/3 of this design. I like the way it use a flat windscreen. It does need a two tone paint to look right. I post this more for the quality it shows inside for a low volume car. After meet a drag racer who owners one, in Spain where they live. They commented it creates a lot of interest and it has been parked by some very rare car and still got a crowd round it. How does this link with the Bit range, It shows how good a low volume car could look. Does any British kit cars equal the interior of this? Well they should be trying to if they cost over £15000! To many kit have just a few bit of flat wood with no real design, an after thought. Kits should do more, as the drive will be looking at the interior a lot. It should make the driver feel special. This does! This does convince me that retro/Hi-tech and classic design should still have a place in Britain Kit car industry. I will once a few of had look at this tell you all what it is and answer my question, if you have not.
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