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HellK9

255 posts

190 months

Friday 21st March 2014
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If you are designing something think about the load paths. The pic posted above has some tubes in weird locations and a load path that will deform the top of the cage given a roll.

Keep it simple, keep the hip rail high (this will protect you in a side impact, keep load paths straight.

Were I to build new (and a play car) I'd copy something like the US offroad racing class 12 chassis.




HellK9

255 posts

190 months

Friday 21st March 2014
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... or possibly European autocross, leverage off their cheap (relatively) arms and suspension components, and use a bike engine (much as they do).




ugg10

681 posts

217 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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No comment one way or the other, just info - lots of new photos/videos on the Dreamshack Facebook page this week.

singlecoil

33,503 posts

246 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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ugg10 said:
No comment one way or the other, just info - lots of new photos/videos on the Dreamshack Facebook page this week.
I don't know how the FB thing works, but would it be possible for those people who have posted here about not being able to get an answer out of the guy who runs it to post something on the Dreamshack FB page? Or at least get a response out of him?

mmmk5

15 posts

121 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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I've already tried.
It's like he's taken money already so doesn't need to talk to me any more.
I've decided to report him to the charities commission and let them sort him.

I'm selling everything I've bought from him now.
Don't want anything further to do with him.

Turn7

23,577 posts

221 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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It does seem a shame, I still however, dont believe anything malicious is planned.

jeff666

2,320 posts

191 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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Turn7 said:
It does seem a shame, I still however, dont believe anything malicious is planned.
Probably busy with all the charity work eh ?

Turn7

23,577 posts

221 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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jeff666 said:
Turn7 said:
It does seem a shame, I still however, dont believe anything malicious is planned.
Probably busy with all the charity work eh ?
No, I think the guy is struggling to try and keep to many balls in the air if Im honest.
Im usually one of the biggest cynics about, but I just dont think this is a normal or deliberate attempt to part people form their money.

jeff666

2,320 posts

191 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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Turn7 said:
No, I think the guy is struggling to try and keep to many balls in the air if Im honest.
Im usually one of the biggest cynics about, but I just dont think this is a normal or deliberate attempt to part people form their money.
Sorry but that is rubbish, one guy has been waiting almost a year for his frame, another has not received stuff he has been promised, money has been paid for this stuff.

Dreamshack are advertising rails for sale on Facebook and Ebay, they are probably taking orders for products now.

If they wont, or can't deliver the orders they have taken then they should refund the guys waiting, they haven't done that.


mmmk5

15 posts

121 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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Mark from Dreamshack drives around in a super-charged jag.
He looks like he's not short of money.
Is that the money he's taking without supplying goods?????
I wish I'd just bought a fibre glass buggy shell and not got involved with Dreamshack.

Turn7

23,577 posts

221 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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mmmk5 said:
Mark from Dreamshack drives around in a super-charged jag.
He looks like he's not short of money.
Is that the money he's taking without supplying goods?????
I wish I'd just bought a fibre glass buggy shell and not got involved with Dreamshack.
Mm, Ok, maybe I am starting to side with you.

PhillipM

6,517 posts

189 months

Wednesday 26th March 2014
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HellK9 said:
Were I to build new (and a play car) I'd copy something like the US offroad racing class 12 chassis.

The problem with a class 12 is the same issue as with our rail - without a VW chassis underneath it, it's not road legal, which is the only way Dreamshack is getting away with rail frames + various engine and suspension combinations, because can still be registered as a Beetle chassis, although it's debatable as to whether some of them meet the radical-altered-vehicle regs, you certainly wouldn't with a full tube chassis, it'd be a full IVA job.

Frankly, the chance of getting something like ours through an IVA is somewhere between slim and none.

Its Marc

17 posts

121 months

Wednesday 26th March 2014
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Theoretical question ..... Say you did build it dreamshack style and down the line the old beetle chassis needed a lot of work and you replace a chunk of it with what you'd think of as a ladder chassis. That'd be an issue right? Wouldn't particularly want beetle power either hmmmm!

ugg10

681 posts

217 months

Wednesday 26th March 2014
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As far as I understand it, so long as you don't structually modifty the beetle chassis then you can put what you like on the top. The odd hole to bolt stuff down I suspect is Ok, but as soon as you take a saw/welder to it you are in iva territory, otherwise it is a body swap and just needs a dvla inspection.

As for engine, there are many subaru ( non turbo and turbo) and alfa flat four and even porsche 911 engine swaps.

Others please correct if I am incorrect. This is my understanding but you will need to satisfy yourself before committing.

Hope this helps.

mmmk5

15 posts

121 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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As far as I am aware dvla are trying to get engine swaps classed as radical changes and needing to go through iva tests unless swapping like for like.
Just another way of making us poor motorist pay more.

singlecoil

33,503 posts

246 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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mmmk5 said:
As far as I am aware dvla are trying to get engine swaps classed as radical changes and needing to go through iva tests unless swapping like for like.
Just another way of making us poor motorist pay more.
In some cases an engine swap would indeed be a radical change. Your second sentence is nonsense in this context.

Its Marc

17 posts

121 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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This was always the plus point for Q registrations. Dubious origin so technically a free for all.

My question above was meant for once it was registered, keeping the project ongoing so to speak.

I dunno, maybe leaning more towards a MeV again.

smash

2,062 posts

228 months

Saturday 29th March 2014
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If you guys are still having problems getting dreamshack to deliver on promised parts or refund. Spend £5 on a domain name like, I dunno, dreamshaft.co.uk or dreams-shafted.co.uk for example and stick a single page site up listing everyone's grievances and unresolved issues and naming and shaming the owners.

I did exactly this for someone who shafted me for a 347 stroker engine from the states 8 odd years ago. After the site went up (I used his name as a domain!) I got more and more emails from disgruntled customers and just kept adding them to the page. A couple did get engines, some got nothing (like me - actually no, I did get a letter of apology from him that he was forced to write whilst in jail) but I do know it really $%^&ed him off judging by the emails he sent me, especially after he'd moved and was trying to get away from all the crap he'd left behind. Quite satisfying.

The deal is you take the site down after he makes good.

Edited by smash on Saturday 29th March 10:30

mmmk5

15 posts

121 months

Saturday 29th March 2014
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If anyone wants a Q reg beetle chassis I have one for sale.
It's still standard length and has been re-inforced underneath.
I can add pictures if any interest.

IPuk

16 posts

120 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Where do you purchase the parts for these cars?

What cc are they and are they fuel hungry?