Vehicle reg from donor car to kit car
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I intend building a Kit car based on a Porsche 944. I have the donor vehicle on a Sorn.
At the bottom of the VC5 under special note 2 it states this is a Non-Transferable Registration Number.
Can i use this number on the completed kit?.
If not would i get a Q plate or a year related plate based on the year of the donor vehicle.
I intend to use the vehicle on the road so it will have to pass the IVA
I intend using all of the mechanicles from the donor vehicle.
I will design and build a chassis (TUB)
Hope you can advise
At the bottom of the VC5 under special note 2 it states this is a Non-Transferable Registration Number.
Can i use this number on the completed kit?.
If not would i get a Q plate or a year related plate based on the year of the donor vehicle.
I intend to use the vehicle on the road so it will have to pass the IVA
I intend using all of the mechanicles from the donor vehicle.
I will design and build a chassis (TUB)
Hope you can advise
Premium Por said:
I intend building a Kit car based on a Porsche 944. I have the donor vehicle on a Sorn.
At the bottom of the VC5 under special note 2 it states this is a Non-Transferable Registration Number.
Can i use this number on the completed kit?.
If not would i get a Q plate or a year related plate based on the year of the donor vehicle.
I intend to use the vehicle on the road so it will have to pass the IVA
I intend using all of the mechanicles from the donor vehicle.
I will design and build a chassis (TUB)
Hope you can advise
If you use all the mechanicals from the donor then your kit car will get an age-related plate. The old one will not be re-issued.At the bottom of the VC5 under special note 2 it states this is a Non-Transferable Registration Number.
Can i use this number on the completed kit?.
If not would i get a Q plate or a year related plate based on the year of the donor vehicle.
I intend to use the vehicle on the road so it will have to pass the IVA
I intend using all of the mechanicles from the donor vehicle.
I will design and build a chassis (TUB)
Hope you can advise
My old Fiesta XR2 is still 'live' despite being turned into a Quantum 5 years ago.
After 9 months I got a tax disc/sorn reminder for the donor vehicle - I told DVLA, who then sent a letter saying I had destroyed it.
Why is it still 'live'? .... They are an incompetent quango!
mph1977 said:
the DVLA are not "an incompetent quango"
their competency may well be questionable but by no means are they a quango given their statuas as a exacutive agecncy of go govt Dept...
quango = Quasi None- governmental organisation
My apologies if I've upset you, I stand corrected - I still believe their competence is questionable though!their competency may well be questionable but by no means are they a quango given their statuas as a exacutive agecncy of go govt Dept...
quango = Quasi None- governmental organisation
Maybe we agree on that?
First of all, you won't be able to assign the donor car's plate to the new vehicle, just a plate of equivalent age representation if you do things right. To avoid a 'Q' plate, do not scrap the donor vehicle as you would with any normal car. What you need to do is remove all identifying marks from the donor, and scrap it as mixed metal rather than as a car. If a scrap merchant finds any identifying marks, he/she has to report the vehicle as scrapped which will hurt your chances of an age-related plate. When you come to register your kit, take the V5 of the donor vehicle with you, and the DVLA use that as proof of age, and will declare the donor as scrap on your behalf at that point.
mikesalt said:
First of all, you won't be able to assign the donor car's plate to the new vehicle, just a plate of equivalent age representation if you do things right. To avoid a 'Q' plate, do not scrap the donor vehicle as you would with any normal car. What you need to do is remove all identifying marks from the donor, and scrap it as mixed metal rather than as a car. If a scrap merchant finds any identifying marks, he/she has to report the vehicle as scrapped which will hurt your chances of an age-related plate. When you come to register your kit, take the V5 of the donor vehicle with you, and the DVLA use that as proof of age, and will declare the donor as scrap on your behalf at that point.
Advance apologies to Mike, but I'm unsure the above is correct. I think DVLA would like to see evidence of scrapping, and the method above will not show the car as scrapped (you could give them 400kg of mixed scrap, get a receipt and say it was the car - how are they to know unless it says car A123 ABC). I'd suggest getting (written) guidance from DVLA first, before you get rid of the shell. This can give a problem with storage of course. The joys of dealing with a government department which changes it's 'rules' daily.I'd also suggest using the 'kit car registration guy' (sorry can't recall his name) who advertises in Totalkitcar. He knows what to put on the forms (I'm good at forms, but they are ambiguous, for instance the year of first registration is now 2014, whereas in the past you put the date the donor was registered on the form.) Good luck
Owners forums such as Locostbuilders or mark specific ones will have a greater knowledge of IVA proceedures
( administered by VOSA) and the registration process ( administrated by DVLA)
For both these agencies photographs and reciepts are essential, you should photograph the donor, the kit car from start to finish and you with it
On completing cut off the chassis number from the donor, remove the VIN plates, take off the number plates, the donor should be on SORN until you pass IVA, go through build up inspection with DVLA and then register once you have your MAC certificate.
VOSA are interested in how you built it ( and is it safe)
DVLA are interested in who built it and with what (and if it is legal)
( administered by VOSA) and the registration process ( administrated by DVLA)
For both these agencies photographs and reciepts are essential, you should photograph the donor, the kit car from start to finish and you with it
On completing cut off the chassis number from the donor, remove the VIN plates, take off the number plates, the donor should be on SORN until you pass IVA, go through build up inspection with DVLA and then register once you have your MAC certificate.
VOSA are interested in how you built it ( and is it safe)
DVLA are interested in who built it and with what (and if it is legal)
you might get an age related plate, depending on the amount of parts you will use from the porsche.
but a home made chassis won't qualify for an age related plate.
i would say if DVLA is working correctly you will end with a Q
this is what GOV.co.uk page says:
You can apply for an age-related number if you can prove you’ve used 2 original major parts along with:
a new monocoque bodyshell, chassis or frame from a specialist kit manufacturer
an altered chassis, monocoque bodyshell or frame from the original vehicle
Get an age-related registration number
as you are using a self build chassis it should end with a Q....but lots of locost guys arent ending with a Q-plate, even they should , as their chassis are homemade.
but a home made chassis won't qualify for an age related plate.
i would say if DVLA is working correctly you will end with a Q
this is what GOV.co.uk page says:
You can apply for an age-related number if you can prove you’ve used 2 original major parts along with:
a new monocoque bodyshell, chassis or frame from a specialist kit manufacturer
an altered chassis, monocoque bodyshell or frame from the original vehicle
Get an age-related registration number
as you are using a self build chassis it should end with a Q....but lots of locost guys arent ending with a Q-plate, even they should , as their chassis are homemade.
Edited by LLantrisant on Friday 18th July 01:30
Premium Por said:
What if the chassis/ frame is built by a High class Fabrication workshop who have all of the welding qualifications?
They will probably say it hasn't been built by a 'proper' kit car manufacturer - that's how short-sighted the are I'm sure.I was told I couldn't fit a chassis plate on (this was in the days you could use pop-rivet or similar to attach), even though (presumably because I'd done it several times successfully) I was able to assemble the whole vehicle! DVLA said I had to have a statement from a garage saying they had inspected the plate was there, and then they (DVLA) would also inspect it ..... Bizarre!
I'm afraid I just don't understand (and probably never will) the workings of DVLA. VOSA, on teh other hand, were good to deal with.
the chassis plate thing is another story:
in the past it was ok riveting a plate to the body (firewall)..the new law says: the chassisnumber must be in the chassis..so you need to emboss the number in a chassis tube or the monocoque.
some testers also allow a stamped plate welded to the chassis
in the past it was ok riveting a plate to the body (firewall)..the new law says: the chassisnumber must be in the chassis..so you need to emboss the number in a chassis tube or the monocoque.
some testers also allow a stamped plate welded to the chassis
LLantrisant said:
the chassis plate thing is another story:
in the past it was ok riveting a plate to the body (firewall)..the new law says: the chassisnumber must be in the chassis..so you need to emboss the number in a chassis tube or the monocoque.
some testers also allow a stamped plate welded to the chassis
if you consider that a series production vehicle has both a stamped chassis / shell number and a VIN plate it's unsuprising VOSA want the same from kit cars.in the past it was ok riveting a plate to the body (firewall)..the new law says: the chassisnumber must be in the chassis..so you need to emboss the number in a chassis tube or the monocoque.
some testers also allow a stamped plate welded to the chassis
mph1977 said:
if you consider that a series production vehicle has both a stamped chassis / shell number and a VIN plate it's unsuprising VOSA want the same from kit cars.
No problem with them wanting it - just the fact that they want someone else's declaration that it's there despite the fact they are also checking it - Don't THEY even trust themselves?
"as you are using a self build chassis it should end with a Q....but lots of locost guys arent ending with a Q-plate, even they should , as their chassis are homemade."
Not true
Haynes Roadster, the original Ron Champion, some one off builds on Locostbuilders etc
The main requirement is how much of a donor vehicle ( or new parts) you use.
It's all there in the paperwork if you read it and many years of car building on the main build forums prove this
Not true
Haynes Roadster, the original Ron Champion, some one off builds on Locostbuilders etc
The main requirement is how much of a donor vehicle ( or new parts) you use.
It's all there in the paperwork if you read it and many years of car building on the main build forums prove this
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