First MOT for an IVA pass
Discussion
Cheers for the advice Jon.
I had to smile at the date I've been given. Friday 13th.
I too have found the staff at Swansea and the test station (Norwich) helpful and pleasant on the phone.
I don't expect the car to pass. As a scratch build, not following a tried and tested formula, a pass is too much to ask for.
I'll be more than happy if the failure list fits on one piece of paper.
Cheers
Paul G
I had to smile at the date I've been given. Friday 13th.
I too have found the staff at Swansea and the test station (Norwich) helpful and pleasant on the phone.
I don't expect the car to pass. As a scratch build, not following a tried and tested formula, a pass is too much to ask for.
I'll be more than happy if the failure list fits on one piece of paper.
Cheers
Paul G
finishing touch said:
I too have found the staff at Swansea and the test station (Norwich) helpful and pleasant on the phone.
Cheers
Paul G
I found VOSA at Norwich to be very professional, friendly and helpful.Cheers
Paul G
Bit of a contrast with the DVLA local office in Norwich - but Hey you deal directly with Swansea now!
Hope your test goes smoothly.
The MOT conundrum comes up repeatedly
Again and again
For those of us that have gone through the process ( many times), we are always stunned by the lack of Internet search the OP's do
Well none apparently
If you are concerned yes do an MOT type test but for God sake don't regerster IT
If your car does not require a test for 3 years then do a pre MOT test then it's not registered and you can fix as required in your own time
If a standard MOT registers an emission irregularity you can't fix then you can't use your car, period, have some sense guys, it's not rocket science.
Again and again
For those of us that have gone through the process ( many times), we are always stunned by the lack of Internet search the OP's do
Well none apparently
If you are concerned yes do an MOT type test but for God sake don't regerster IT
If your car does not require a test for 3 years then do a pre MOT test then it's not registered and you can fix as required in your own time
If a standard MOT registers an emission irregularity you can't fix then you can't use your car, period, have some sense guys, it's not rocket science.
You can do as much internet research as you like but when someone in authority says no you have to be careful.
Dealing with government bodies IS rocket science because they are not consistant where either IVA tests or registering is concerned, and that my friend is soon found out when you do internet research.
Dealing with government bodies IS rocket science because they are not consistant where either IVA tests or registering is concerned, and that my friend is soon found out when you do internet research.
trackerjack said:
I built my first kit car (Autotune Gemini) in the mid 90,s and in those days it was just so easy to get a car on the road and when I went to kit car shows I saw some appalling pieces of poor design and build both in and out of the show.
Today it is very different but we can still build a special and get it to the road even if we do have to jump through a few hoops.
Thanks government for that.
Some European countries will only allow cars to be built on a known manufactured chassis which in the case of a Volkswagon Beetle can be a load of rubbish when new!
Can say that again! We still have the Westfield I built in '91. I also built a fake snake back then as well. Getting them on the road was childsplay wasn't it - quick visit from the man from the VRO, off to the MOT, job done.Today it is very different but we can still build a special and get it to the road even if we do have to jump through a few hoops.
Thanks government for that.
Some European countries will only allow cars to be built on a known manufactured chassis which in the case of a Volkswagon Beetle can be a load of rubbish when new!
On another thread a rubbish built car made a daily national paper.
This is the idea most people have of kitcars and they think them deathtraps and there is truth here.
You will never make a home built car as safe as a factory modern.
I had the conversation with my wife over seatbelt and seat type in the car and I told her to view the car as a four wheeled motorbike.
From a government point of view a death or serious crash is very costly (forget caring for us its all about cost).
Therefore it is in their interest to put as many hurdles in our way as possible and to strangle the kit car making firms gradually till they cease to be.
So today it costs a lot of money and time to run through the gov hoops, good luck because in 20 years time I doubt any kit car firms will exist.
Good luck on the 13th Paul, post how you get on.
This is the idea most people have of kitcars and they think them deathtraps and there is truth here.
You will never make a home built car as safe as a factory modern.
I had the conversation with my wife over seatbelt and seat type in the car and I told her to view the car as a four wheeled motorbike.
From a government point of view a death or serious crash is very costly (forget caring for us its all about cost).
Therefore it is in their interest to put as many hurdles in our way as possible and to strangle the kit car making firms gradually till they cease to be.
So today it costs a lot of money and time to run through the gov hoops, good luck because in 20 years time I doubt any kit car firms will exist.
Good luck on the 13th Paul, post how you get on.
OK, you can stand me against a wall and shoot me for saying this but..
I'm glad my car is being inspected by someone with experience of kit cars / home builds.
I dread to think of what would be on the road if it was not for the IVA. I read the forums and shudder at what some try to get away with,
and that's with the test. How many times have I read "It's OK, it's not structural." Try telling that to some poor sod on the motorway
that's been hit in the face with 5kg of exhaust from the car in front, or worse still, his/her partner/ son/daughter/father/mother.
I wouldn't be that upset if it needed an MOT after a year. Some of the parts on my car are old. Ok, I've replaced bearings, seals, etc,
but during the build some new parts have deteriorated. I've replaced the rubber boots on the bj's for instance.
I often work on cars that no longer need an MOT. Their owners are delighted at this new law, but I often have to point out a problem,
and I'm not a mechanic/MOT tester.
Sorry for the rant.
17 days to go
Paul G
I'm glad my car is being inspected by someone with experience of kit cars / home builds.
I dread to think of what would be on the road if it was not for the IVA. I read the forums and shudder at what some try to get away with,
and that's with the test. How many times have I read "It's OK, it's not structural." Try telling that to some poor sod on the motorway
that's been hit in the face with 5kg of exhaust from the car in front, or worse still, his/her partner/ son/daughter/father/mother.
I wouldn't be that upset if it needed an MOT after a year. Some of the parts on my car are old. Ok, I've replaced bearings, seals, etc,
but during the build some new parts have deteriorated. I've replaced the rubber boots on the bj's for instance.
I often work on cars that no longer need an MOT. Their owners are delighted at this new law, but I often have to point out a problem,
and I'm not a mechanic/MOT tester.
Sorry for the rant.
17 days to go
Paul G
Edited by finishing touch on Tuesday 27th January 08:55
finishing touch said:
OK, you can stand me against a wall and shoot me for saying this but..
I'm glad my car is being inspected by someone with experience of kit cars / home builds.
I dread to think of what would be on the road if it was not for the IVA. I read the forums and shudder at what some try to get away with,
and that's with the test. How many times have I read "It's OK, it's not structural." Try telling that to some poor sod on the motorway
that's been hit in the face with 5kg of exhaust from the car in front, or worse still, his/her partner/ son/daughter/father/mother.
I wouldn't be that upset if it needed an MOT after a year. Some of the parts on my car are old. Ok, I've replaced bearings, seals, etc,
but during the build some new parts have deteriorated. I've replaced the rubber boots on the bj's for instance.
I often work on cars that no longer need an MOT. Their owners are delighted at this new law, but I often have to point out a problem,
and I'm not a mechanic/MOT tester.
Sorry for the rant.
17 days to go
Paul G
I totally agree with you. I started working on cars at the age of 10 under supervision/instruction from a back-street self taught mechanic/plumber/electrician/jack of all trades. Did my first unsupervised (& successful) head gasket replacement at 12. I've been working on my own & other peoples cars my entire life as a hobby. Yet, I still wanted that sanity check of someone I trust who had years of experience in a professional context to cast an eye over my efforts when I built my own cars.I'm glad my car is being inspected by someone with experience of kit cars / home builds.
I dread to think of what would be on the road if it was not for the IVA. I read the forums and shudder at what some try to get away with,
and that's with the test. How many times have I read "It's OK, it's not structural." Try telling that to some poor sod on the motorway
that's been hit in the face with 5kg of exhaust from the car in front, or worse still, his/her partner/ son/daughter/father/mother.
I wouldn't be that upset if it needed an MOT after a year. Some of the parts on my car are old. Ok, I've replaced bearings, seals, etc,
but during the build some new parts have deteriorated. I've replaced the rubber boots on the bj's for instance.
I often work on cars that no longer need an MOT. Their owners are delighted at this new law, but I often have to point out a problem,
and I'm not a mechanic/MOT tester.
Sorry for the rant.
17 days to go
Paul G
Edited by finishing touch on Tuesday 27th January 08:55
finishing touch said:
I wouldn't be that upset if it needed an MOT after a year. Some of the parts on my car are old. Ok, I've replaced bearings, seals, etc,
but during the build some new parts have deteriorated. I've replaced the rubber boots on the bj's for instance.
I often work on cars that no longer need an MOT. Their owners are delighted at this new law, but I often have to point out a problem,
and I'm not a mechanic/MOT tester.
Sorry for the rant.
17 days to go
Paul G
Yes, that's a perfectly valid point. I really can't see the logic of DVLA (we're probably all agreed on that!but during the build some new parts have deteriorated. I've replaced the rubber boots on the bj's for instance.
I often work on cars that no longer need an MOT. Their owners are delighted at this new law, but I often have to point out a problem,
and I'm not a mechanic/MOT tester.
Sorry for the rant.
17 days to go
Paul G
Edited by finishing touch on Tuesday 27th January 08:55
)- They give my car a new date of registration, yet state some parts may not be new(so issue a registration mark of a 22 year old car) and then don't require an MOT test for 3 years (totally disregarding the 'old parts' possibility). Could only happen with a government body!The mistake we all make here is in thinking that there should be some logic behind rules.
There is a mixture of sheer madness and very sensible with government bodies.
I think the real cowboys of kit cars have all gone now.
Yes my MOT guy is also a friend and he has spotted things that I have missed but none dangerous so far.
I would not object to an MOT after a year certainly after an IVA pass.
I have a friend who owns an E type and despite the value of the car and occupants he is proud that the tyres have lasted since the 70's and is not bothered when I tell him that after approx 8 years you should replace no matter what the tread depth.
That car does not have to be MOT'd............but should be.
There is a mixture of sheer madness and very sensible with government bodies.
I think the real cowboys of kit cars have all gone now.
Yes my MOT guy is also a friend and he has spotted things that I have missed but none dangerous so far.
I would not object to an MOT after a year certainly after an IVA pass.
I have a friend who owns an E type and despite the value of the car and occupants he is proud that the tyres have lasted since the 70's and is not bothered when I tell him that after approx 8 years you should replace no matter what the tread depth.
That car does not have to be MOT'd............but should be.
trackerjack said:
The mistake we all make here is in thinking that there should be some logic behind rules.
There is a mixture of sheer madness and very sensible with government bodies.
I think the real cowboys of kit cars have all gone now.
Yes my MOT guy is also a friend and he has spotted things that I have missed but none dangerous so far.
I would not object to an MOT after a year certainly after an IVA pass.
I have a friend who owns an E type and despite the value of the car and occupants he is proud that the tyres have lasted since the 70's and is not bothered when I tell him that after approx 8 years you should replace no matter what the tread depth.
That car does not have to be MOT'd............but should be.
There is a mixture of sheer madness and very sensible with government bodies.
I think the real cowboys of kit cars have all gone now.
Yes my MOT guy is also a friend and he has spotted things that I have missed but none dangerous so far.
I would not object to an MOT after a year certainly after an IVA pass.
I have a friend who owns an E type and despite the value of the car and occupants he is proud that the tyres have lasted since the 70's and is not bothered when I tell him that after approx 8 years you should replace no matter what the tread depth.
That car does not have to be MOT'd............but should be.
How does an E-Type not need an MOT??A quick check of the DVLA website and form states that cars and motorcycles registered before 1 January 1960 are exempt from MOT, but, according to Wikipedia, E-Type production began in 1961.
Has the DVLA changed its rules but not updated its website and forms yet??
All too plausible sadly!!
trackerjack said:
The mistake we all make here is in thinking that there should be some logic behind rules.
There is a mixture of sheer madness and very sensible with government bodies.
I think the real cowboys of kit cars have all gone now.
Yes my MOT guy is also a friend and he has spotted things that I have missed but none dangerous so far.
I would not object to an MOT after a year certainly after an IVA pass.
I have a friend who owns an E type and despite the value of the car and occupants he is proud that the tyres have lasted since the 70's and is not bothered when I tell him that after approx 8 years you should replace no matter what the tread depth.
That car does not have to be MOT'd............but should be.
Maybe you need to point out to him that apart from the carnage to his passengers or other innocents, it's only his old tyres touching the road that keep the car there, and he could lose £60k+? of car for the sake of £500 of tyres!There is a mixture of sheer madness and very sensible with government bodies.
I think the real cowboys of kit cars have all gone now.
Yes my MOT guy is also a friend and he has spotted things that I have missed but none dangerous so far.
I would not object to an MOT after a year certainly after an IVA pass.
I have a friend who owns an E type and despite the value of the car and occupants he is proud that the tyres have lasted since the 70's and is not bothered when I tell him that after approx 8 years you should replace no matter what the tread depth.
That car does not have to be MOT'd............but should be.
Fastpedeller said:
Maybe you need to point out to him that apart from the carnage to his passengers or other innocents, it's only his old tyres touching the road that keep the car there, and he could lose £60k+? of car for the sake of £500 of tyres!
But he gets added concours points for having the original factory-supplied air in them!Sorry my mistake I am not aware when the drop off on MOT applies in classic cars, I assumed it did not need one as I knew classic cars did not need tax after the early 70's. I am better informed now.
I remember only too well the Michelin ZX tyres fitted to old cars that were almost impossible to wear out but also had no grip.
As I like track work old tyres are not my bag.
I remember only too well the Michelin ZX tyres fitted to old cars that were almost impossible to wear out but also had no grip.
As I like track work old tyres are not my bag.
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