Ultimate kit ideas
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plasticfantastik said:
Hi all,
I havent really contributed to these boards before but have been on here reading for a while now.
Im still building my ultimate car, its a copy of the F40. I have been at it on and off for almost 11 years now but lately i have been putting more hours into it trying to make a big push to get the plug finished so i can start the mold making progress.
I have designed it to be a replacement for the Lotue Esprit body, i have been using an S3 chassis to make my body and floor pan fit but the final plan is to use an S4 v8 twin turbo car as a donor.
I am almost done making the floor pan inside the body, and i only have the rear bulkhead to do then i can think about cutting the rear end off to do the last few returns then its time to finish her for molding.
Cheers
Great to see you on here - I had lost track of this!I havent really contributed to these boards before but have been on here reading for a while now.
Im still building my ultimate car, its a copy of the F40. I have been at it on and off for almost 11 years now but lately i have been putting more hours into it trying to make a big push to get the plug finished so i can start the mold making progress.
I have designed it to be a replacement for the Lotue Esprit body, i have been using an S3 chassis to make my body and floor pan fit but the final plan is to use an S4 v8 twin turbo car as a donor.
I am almost done making the floor pan inside the body, and i only have the rear bulkhead to do then i can think about cutting the rear end off to do the last few returns then its time to finish her for molding.
Cheers
plasticfantastik said:
Thanks guys,
I will start a build thread on here if people are interested, i will start it once i have a little more to show as the above pics are how she currently is.
Cheers
Yes please, buddy (long time no speak, by the way)!I will start a build thread on here if people are interested, i will start it once i have a little more to show as the above pics are how she currently is.
Cheers
I am living back in the UK (after moves to Singapore and Houston) now so it would be great to see this in person, one day.
Are you following Paul's build on FChat?
dom9 said:
fuoriserie said:
A two seater threewheeler with a Ducati Engine....
I loved the VW concept that contained most of those ingredients... XL1 with the Ducati engine was it?http://www.netcarshow.com/volkswagen/2014-xl_sport...
In my case it would have a missing wheel and with simpler design...
Dom9, I know you have a big interest in all things F40 so your welcome to come and see her when you want too.
I had missed pauls build on Fchat till now but have just read through it, i havent heard from him in a while but hopefully he will be cracking on soon.
EskimoArapaho, the donor car being a v8 Esprit wont be the cheapest way to go but i think if i buy a car for around £20,000 then i can sell the wheels, interior and body which should make back quite a bit of money hopefully meaning that the running chassis should only owe me around £10,000 to £15,000. Which for such a capabe chassis with 350bhp is quite cheap.
Cheers
I had missed pauls build on Fchat till now but have just read through it, i havent heard from him in a while but hopefully he will be cracking on soon.
EskimoArapaho, the donor car being a v8 Esprit wont be the cheapest way to go but i think if i buy a car for around £20,000 then i can sell the wheels, interior and body which should make back quite a bit of money hopefully meaning that the running chassis should only owe me around £10,000 to £15,000. Which for such a capabe chassis with 350bhp is quite cheap.
Cheers
three pages of wishes for a rip off of someone else's work?
What happened to making something unique, being creative, doing something that the mainstream will never do?
On the 3D Engineers website you can see two very pretty, completely unique, cars. The Mitchell Special and the Okrasa Special show what can be done.
In years past the kit car industry came up with a few cars that didn't copy anything else but looked good and went well.
What happened to making something unique, being creative, doing something that the mainstream will never do?
On the 3D Engineers website you can see two very pretty, completely unique, cars. The Mitchell Special and the Okrasa Special show what can be done.
In years past the kit car industry came up with a few cars that didn't copy anything else but looked good and went well.
haven't found the first 1 yet.
is this the second one?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4...
very cool
is this the second one?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4...
very cool
cymtriks said:
three pages of wishes for a rip off of someone else's work?
What happened to making something unique, being creative, doing something that the mainstream will never do?
On the 3D Engineers website you can see two very pretty, completely unique, cars. The Mitchell Special and the Okrasa Special show what can be done.
In years past the kit car industry came up with a few cars that didn't copy anything else but looked good and went well.
So instead of a "rip off" of a car that could enjoy a bit of commercial success it would have been more original to "rip off" an obscure special that no one would buy?What happened to making something unique, being creative, doing something that the mainstream will never do?
On the 3D Engineers website you can see two very pretty, completely unique, cars. The Mitchell Special and the Okrasa Special show what can be done.
In years past the kit car industry came up with a few cars that didn't copy anything else but looked good and went well.
People make one offs all the time, look no further than this very forum to see many; nosound, gtrclive and andygt to name a few doing just this. These would be specials rather than kits though.
The kit car market is almost exclusively 'rip offs'.
All the lotus 7's, cobras, Gt40's lambo replicas are the bulk of the market and volume of cars produced and built... there are a few exceptions but they sell in relatively low numbers.
When people think of their 'ultimate' car they think of something existing that had millions spent on its design and development.... they then dream of building this ultimate car in kit form as its the only way they could afford one.
All the lotus 7's, cobras, Gt40's lambo replicas are the bulk of the market and volume of cars produced and built... there are a few exceptions but they sell in relatively low numbers.
When people think of their 'ultimate' car they think of something existing that had millions spent on its design and development.... they then dream of building this ultimate car in kit form as its the only way they could afford one.
robemcdonald said:
So instead of a "rip off" of a car that could enjoy a bit of commercial success it would have been more original to "rip off" an obscure special that no one would buy?
People make one offs all the time, look no further than this very forum to see many; nosound, gtrclive and andygt to name a few doing just this. These would be specials rather than kits though.
I provided two examples of pretty cars that do not set out to copy anything else. The point being that that designing a kit that looked pretty and didn't copy anything else is also possible. I did not suggest that these should be copied.People make one offs all the time, look no further than this very forum to see many; nosound, gtrclive and andygt to name a few doing just this. These would be specials rather than kits though.
It is a shame if no one would buy a unique design. The kit car market has had a lot of original designs in the past.
Perhaps some of those one-offs would make a kit?
EskimoArapaho said:
cymtriks said:
The Mitchell Special and the Okrasa Special show what can be done.
Hmmm... you say that like it's a good thing.What don't you like about these two? Both could be developed by their creators into kits. The mechanicals and chassis would need to be updated for both but the buck for the body is already there for both cars in 3D computer models and as a finished reality in the case of the Mitchell.
The Mitchel projet resulted in several similar designs that didn't get selected, and therefore were surplus to requirements. These were offered on 3D engineers website for a while. Perhaps they are still there.
cymtriks said:
robemcdonald said:
So instead of a "rip off" of a car that could enjoy a bit of commercial success it would have been more original to "rip off" an obscure special that no one would buy?
People make one offs all the time, look no further than this very forum to see many; nosound, gtrclive and andygt to name a few doing just this. These would be specials rather than kits though.
I provided two examples of pretty cars that do not set out to copy anything else. The point being that that designing a kit that looked pretty and didn't copy anything else is also possible. I did not suggest that these should be copied.People make one offs all the time, look no further than this very forum to see many; nosound, gtrclive and andygt to name a few doing just this. These would be specials rather than kits though.
It is a shame if no one would buy a unique design. The kit car market has had a lot of original designs in the past.
Perhaps some of those one-offs would make a kit?
That said it is a very interesting website and they clearly do osme very nice work.
robemcdonald said:
cymtriks said:
three pages of wishes for a rip off of someone else's work?
What happened to making something unique, being creative, doing something that the mainstream will never do?
On the 3D Engineers website you can see two very pretty, completely unique, cars. The Mitchell Special and the Okrasa Special show what can be done.
In years past the kit car industry came up with a few cars that didn't copy anything else but looked good and went well.
So instead of a "rip off" of a car that could enjoy a bit of commercial success it would have been more original to "rip off" an obscure special that no one would buy?What happened to making something unique, being creative, doing something that the mainstream will never do?
On the 3D Engineers website you can see two very pretty, completely unique, cars. The Mitchell Special and the Okrasa Special show what can be done.
In years past the kit car industry came up with a few cars that didn't copy anything else but looked good and went well.
People make one offs all the time, look no further than this very forum to see many; nosound, gtrclive and andygt to name a few doing just this. These would be specials rather than kits though.
I do miss the original designs though - the coherent ones. The likes of the GTM Libra and the Murtaya being two recent examples, but there were many more back in the day. I always liked the Deltayn (Parradine) Pegasus, but that never really got off the ground, loved the original (Cox) GTM, the Marcos, Quantums, Minari and a few more I've forgotten.
But for every one that looked good (or at least goodish), there would be several Cygnet Monacos that just didn't seem to work at all.
There was even something in one of the halls at Stoneleigh, that just made me think why; why would anybody buy that, why bother to try to sell it. It does take all sorts though!
A design of a car is a fickle thing. It takes a lot to get a car looking right from many angles and is very hard to do.
As for ripping off cars; I don't see it like that, the cars we are talking about are normally no longer in production and of high value. So the person building the car would not of bought an original in the first place. However if the quality of the built car is not of high enough quality then yes I can see the issue to the company.
I do like both originality in the kit cars and copies but to show a point. The below photo makes the side / rear look quite square / flat as you follow the car back but in person its far from square and doesn't seem like a big slab as well. Just another example of how hard it is to design a brand new car when you don't have all the people involved of a big production company.
As for ripping off cars; I don't see it like that, the cars we are talking about are normally no longer in production and of high value. So the person building the car would not of bought an original in the first place. However if the quality of the built car is not of high enough quality then yes I can see the issue to the company.
I do like both originality in the kit cars and copies but to show a point. The below photo makes the side / rear look quite square / flat as you follow the car back but in person its far from square and doesn't seem like a big slab as well. Just another example of how hard it is to design a brand new car when you don't have all the people involved of a big production company.
robemcdonald said:
....you really have picked poor examples: The Okrasa looks like it has a roof from a VW Karmann Ghia ....
Yes, it is a Ghia roof. However the final design doesn't look like a KG and you'd have to try very hard to find any product that owed nothing to its contempories or to its predecessors. The vast majority of cars use parts from other cars. I'm not certain why you regard the end result as a poor example.robemcdonald said:
...and in regard to the mitchell mk2 the website says: "Our client gave us around 50 pictures of cars he liked (and 50 of those he didn’t) and asked us to design a car in the spirit of, but looking nothing like, any of them" so its clearly not an original design....
So if I show a designer 50 ideas I like and 50 I don't and tell him to design something that sits in the first group then the design isn't original? The key words are "but looking nothing like, any of them". If it fulfils that criteria, which it does, then it is original. Once again; you'd have to try very hard to find any product that owed nothing to its contempories or to its predecessors.Gassing Station | Kit Cars | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff