IVA emissions and 97/98 Fireblade engine

IVA emissions and 97/98 Fireblade engine

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Stevie_P

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562 posts

177 months

Monday 15th June 2015
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Hi
After some clarification on the rules for the above combination.
I have a 1997 Fireblade 919cc engine and am pretty sure I'll need a cat for the emissions, even though the bike didn't have one in the first place.
I assume you don't need a lambda as the bike never had one?
Is it easy / possible / a nightmare to get the engine / carbs set-up for IVA?

Cheers
Steve

AdiT

1,025 posts

157 months

Monday 15th June 2015
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Yes, it will have to meet the full bets test. That will require a cat fitting.

The limits are...
Idle test, CO <4.5%.
Fast idle (2500-3000rpm), CO<0.3%, HC<200ppm, lambda between 0.97-1.03.

As you're on carbs (therefore an open loop system) it'll be difficult to balance the mixture.

A lambda sensor isn't required. They're used on a closed loop/injection system where the ECU uses it to read the mixture and vary the fueling. However, having one and a wideband AFR sensor might help you set it up.


Steve_D

13,741 posts

258 months

Monday 15th June 2015
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AdiT said:
Yes, it will have to meet the full bets test. That will require a cat fitting.

The limits are...
Idle test, CO <4.5%.
Fast idle (2500-3000rpm), CO<0.3%, HC<200ppm, lambda between 0.97-1.03.

As you're on carbs (therefore an open loop system) it'll be difficult to balance the mixture.

A lambda sensor isn't required. They're used on a closed loop/injection system where the ECU uses it to read the mixture and vary the fueling. However, having one and a wideband AFR sensor might help you set it up.

Think you will find the idle figure should be CO <0.5%

Steve

thescamper

920 posts

226 months

Tuesday 16th June 2015
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Unless the car is on a Q plate.

AdiT

1,025 posts

157 months

Tuesday 16th June 2015
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Sorry yes idle is 0.5% co

As were talking about IVA then it doesn't have a reg. Once registered it will have to pass the same limits as at IVA if on a new or age related plate or if on a Q just a visable smoke test.

Stevie_P

Original Poster:

562 posts

177 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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Thanks for the replies chaps.
Has anyone out there experience of setting up this year of engine for IVA?
I may be better off getting an older engine and leaving the one I have for after IVA...

Steve_D

13,741 posts

258 months

Sunday 21st June 2015
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Where are you in the build?
We have put bike engines through IVA it just requires careful tuning.
Fortunately bike carbs are quite stable so once they are set they seem to stay that way unlike some aftermarket car carbs.
Where in Hants are you? We are in Fareham and have the gas testing gear so may be able to help when you get to that stage.

Steve

Stevie_P

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562 posts

177 months

Monday 22nd June 2015
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Hi Steve

The car is a reasonable way on. Engine is running etc.
It's my brothers project that I'm taking over as he simply hasn't the time anymore to complete (or the inclination now I fear).

I have a feeling I may be popping down to your place for a few bits and pieces doing / finishing off so this may very well be one of them.
Looks like a CAT may be in order as well. Any recommendations for one?

Once I get the car down next month, I'll pop in to your place and have a chat?
I'm in Whiteley by the way so not far away at all.

Cheers
Steve

steve_d

13,741 posts

258 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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One thing to start researching is either get the V5 for the engine or some proof of the engine age. For IVA it is down to you to prove to/convince the inspector the age of the engine. If you can't then he will have to test it to the latest spec (0.2% CO <200ppm HC & 0.3% at idle) which will be a whole bunch more difficult to achieve on carbs.

Your proof may be a letter from the engine manufacturer or perhaps a publication like Haynes listing the engine number groups and when they were in production.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CBR900RR
Is close but probably not as valid as a publication.

Steve

Stevie_P

Original Poster:

562 posts

177 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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Thanks Steve.
Hopefully there will be an easy way of verifying the age of the engine.
It came out of my brothers fireblade he broke for the project.
Problem is he sold the chassis / V5 and can't even remember the registration!

Let the fun begin..