The best cobra reps
Discussion
cjb44 said:
Oh dear, please save us from Cobra Replicas, there is not one that is any where near accurate except the old Hawk.
I take it you haven't seen the new DB Replicas aluminium bodied cars then ? In fact, OP's budget isn't too far off buying one of those if he doesn't mind a wait.russell_ram said:
I take it you haven't seen the new DB Replicas aluminium bodied cars then ? In fact, OP's budget isn't too far off buying one of those if he doesn't mind a wait.
No I have not as it happens nor do I want to, furthermore why would he need to wait when there is more than one CRS for sale currently and he would then have a genuine and proper engineered car. As you might have gathered I have a hate of replicas and those people who put genuine badges on these cars should be heavily fined; I however do not have a problem with any kit car that does not purport to be something that it is not. Perhaps I should not go on as I can hear the missiles heading in my direction!Kirkham are the best IMO but I think they'll be a little outside your budget.
http://www.kirkhammotorsports.com
http://www.kirkhammotorsports.com
cjb44 said:
Oh dear, please save us from Cobra Replicas, there is not one that is any where near accurate except the old Hawk.
Whatever floats your boat - the kitcar industry would not exist in any meaningful way were it not for the 'replica' market. However, you were the person who quoted that there is not an accurate representation of a 'except for the old Hawk' - I was merely pointing out an example of the inaccuracy of your statement. Kirkham would also probably dispute your claim - most of their parts are interchangable replacements for the original cars.russell_ram said:
Whatever floats your boat - the kitcar industry would not exist in any meaningful way were it not for the 'replica' market. However, you were the person who quoted that there is not an accurate representation of a 'except for the old Hawk' - I was merely pointing out an example of the inaccuracy of your statement. Kirkham would also probably dispute your claim - most of their parts are interchangable replacements for the original cars.
I said the missiles would come!Even if Kirkham parts are interchangeable that does not appease me,there are many unscrupulous people out there who are/have tried to pass replicas off as the real thing.
At one time there was much swapping of chassis plates etc. to fake cars, fortunately the AC Owners Club now have it sown up with all the records in their possession.
A few years ago a car sales emporium in Norfolk actually sold a Pilgrim Bulldog to a guy telling him it was a Cobra! OK he must have been pretty ignorant on cars but it just goes to show.
cjb44 said:
A few years ago a car sales emporium in Norfolk actually sold a Pilgrim Bulldog to a guy telling him it was a Cobra! OK he must have been pretty ignorant on cars but it just goes to show.
Did you mean Pilgrim Hawthorn by any chance? Yes ignorance is a terrible thing..And come on, the CRS cobra bears less resemblance to an original Shelby 427 than a Kirkham. Carbon fibre? Ford 302?! Where's the Top loader?! Kirkham supply Shelby for their continuation series and as the 427 was never technically an AC product (we can talk about the AC 289 roadster which looked like the 427 but that's different - they were essentially a sub contractor to Shelby) so I make Kirkham more legitimate!
And DB Replicas alloy car is simply stunning and much keener priced than a Kirkham....but that's academic because the OP wanted modern handling and drive train with classic looks which brings us back to GD or XCS
Edited by smash on Thursday 6th August 17:57
I've missed all the fun here.
There are a few comments on "Modern handling". Has anyone here actually driven an original coil spring Cobra???? Everyone knows how bad the handling is, or do they? It's just hearsay passed down over many, many years, and actually complete bowax if the truth be know.
All dreamed up by people with something to gain from this bad press.
Anti dive, anti squat, Zero bump steer (With a bit of re engineering). A very capable car and very nice to drive. You have to remember, the suspension geometry was drawn up by Ford's best engineers at the time who had something to prove against Ferrari. It's the earlier (2000 series) leaf sprung cars that drive like a blancmange (although a fairly predictable one).
You could always add 18" wheels with rubber band tyres if you wanted to know which way up the coin is that you have just run over. But that's it, just a change of wheels.
The chassis is incredibly stiff, but then you would expect that with 4" tall rails.
I too ignorantly used the "poor handling" blurb until I did my homework. And that doesn't mean reading comments on the internet from Friends of mates of cousins uncles who were "experts".
Many of the fibreglass donor based "replicas" are fine on a billiard table race track, but on B roads can be all over the place.
CRS. Don't even go there, a lash up if ever there was one "Designed" to wring the last drop of blood out of something with "Cost cutting" very much in mind, to take on the donor based replicas. All in all should be considered an embarrassing cry from help. I've seen them up close. round tubes replaced with box section to make production easier and cheaper, budget modern components added to replace either hard to source or just expensive original parts.
To see where the true enthusiasm lies (And the money) you only have to look at what price these cars sell for (Not what they are advertised for).
You can't fit original suspension parts or body parts to a CRS without changing the chassis. what does that tell you?
ooh I feel better now :-) :-)
There are a few comments on "Modern handling". Has anyone here actually driven an original coil spring Cobra???? Everyone knows how bad the handling is, or do they? It's just hearsay passed down over many, many years, and actually complete bowax if the truth be know.
All dreamed up by people with something to gain from this bad press.
Anti dive, anti squat, Zero bump steer (With a bit of re engineering). A very capable car and very nice to drive. You have to remember, the suspension geometry was drawn up by Ford's best engineers at the time who had something to prove against Ferrari. It's the earlier (2000 series) leaf sprung cars that drive like a blancmange (although a fairly predictable one).
You could always add 18" wheels with rubber band tyres if you wanted to know which way up the coin is that you have just run over. But that's it, just a change of wheels.
The chassis is incredibly stiff, but then you would expect that with 4" tall rails.
I too ignorantly used the "poor handling" blurb until I did my homework. And that doesn't mean reading comments on the internet from Friends of mates of cousins uncles who were "experts".
Many of the fibreglass donor based "replicas" are fine on a billiard table race track, but on B roads can be all over the place.
CRS. Don't even go there, a lash up if ever there was one "Designed" to wring the last drop of blood out of something with "Cost cutting" very much in mind, to take on the donor based replicas. All in all should be considered an embarrassing cry from help. I've seen them up close. round tubes replaced with box section to make production easier and cheaper, budget modern components added to replace either hard to source or just expensive original parts.
To see where the true enthusiasm lies (And the money) you only have to look at what price these cars sell for (Not what they are advertised for).
You can't fit original suspension parts or body parts to a CRS without changing the chassis. what does that tell you?
ooh I feel better now :-) :-)
Dave Brookes said:
I've missed all the fun here.
There are a few comments on "Modern handling". Has anyone here actually driven an original coil spring Cobra???? Everyone knows how bad the handling is, or do they? It's just hearsay passed down over many, many years, and actually complete bowax if the truth be know.
All dreamed up by people with something to gain from this bad press.
Anti dive, anti squat, Zero bump steer (With a bit of re engineering). A very capable car and very nice to drive. You have to remember, the suspension geometry was drawn up by Ford's best engineers at the time who had something to prove against Ferrari. It's the earlier (2000 series) leaf sprung cars that drive like a blancmange (although a fairly predictable one).
You could always add 18" wheels with rubber band tyres if you wanted to know which way up the coin is that you have just run over. But that's it, just a change of wheels.
The chassis is incredibly stiff, but then you would expect that with 4" tall rails.
I too ignorantly used the "poor handling" blurb until I did my homework. And that doesn't mean reading comments on the internet from Friends of mates of cousins uncles who were "experts".
Many of the fibreglass donor based "replicas" are fine on a billiard table race track, but on B roads can be all over the place.
CRS. Don't even go there, a lash up if ever there was one "Designed" to wring the last drop of blood out of something with "Cost cutting" very much in mind, to take on the donor based replicas. All in all should be considered an embarrassing cry from help. I've seen them up close. round tubes replaced with box section to make production easier and cheaper, budget modern components added to replace either hard to source or just expensive original parts.
To see where the true enthusiasm lies (And the money) you only have to look at what price these cars sell for (Not what they are advertised for).
You can't fit original suspension parts or body parts to a CRS without changing the chassis. what does that tell you?
ooh I feel better now :-) :-)
I will not be drawn!!!There are a few comments on "Modern handling". Has anyone here actually driven an original coil spring Cobra???? Everyone knows how bad the handling is, or do they? It's just hearsay passed down over many, many years, and actually complete bowax if the truth be know.
All dreamed up by people with something to gain from this bad press.
Anti dive, anti squat, Zero bump steer (With a bit of re engineering). A very capable car and very nice to drive. You have to remember, the suspension geometry was drawn up by Ford's best engineers at the time who had something to prove against Ferrari. It's the earlier (2000 series) leaf sprung cars that drive like a blancmange (although a fairly predictable one).
You could always add 18" wheels with rubber band tyres if you wanted to know which way up the coin is that you have just run over. But that's it, just a change of wheels.
The chassis is incredibly stiff, but then you would expect that with 4" tall rails.
I too ignorantly used the "poor handling" blurb until I did my homework. And that doesn't mean reading comments on the internet from Friends of mates of cousins uncles who were "experts".
Many of the fibreglass donor based "replicas" are fine on a billiard table race track, but on B roads can be all over the place.
CRS. Don't even go there, a lash up if ever there was one "Designed" to wring the last drop of blood out of something with "Cost cutting" very much in mind, to take on the donor based replicas. All in all should be considered an embarrassing cry from help. I've seen them up close. round tubes replaced with box section to make production easier and cheaper, budget modern components added to replace either hard to source or just expensive original parts.
To see where the true enthusiasm lies (And the money) you only have to look at what price these cars sell for (Not what they are advertised for).
You can't fit original suspension parts or body parts to a CRS without changing the chassis. what does that tell you?
ooh I feel better now :-) :-)
Suffice to say that you know absolutely nothing first hand about AC cars.
cjb44 said:
Dave Brookes said:
I've missed all the fun here.
There are a few comments on "Modern handling". Has anyone here actually driven an original coil spring Cobra???? Everyone knows how bad the handling is, or do they? It's just hearsay passed down over many, many years, and actually complete bowax if the truth be know.
All dreamed up by people with something to gain from this bad press.
Anti dive, anti squat, Zero bump steer (With a bit of re engineering). A very capable car and very nice to drive. You have to remember, the suspension geometry was drawn up by Ford's best engineers at the time who had something to prove against Ferrari. It's the earlier (2000 series) leaf sprung cars that drive like a blancmange (although a fairly predictable one).
You could always add 18" wheels with rubber band tyres if you wanted to know which way up the coin is that you have just run over. But that's it, just a change of wheels.
The chassis is incredibly stiff, but then you would expect that with 4" tall rails.
I too ignorantly used the "poor handling" blurb until I did my homework. And that doesn't mean reading comments on the internet from Friends of mates of cousins uncles who were "experts".
Many of the fibreglass donor based "replicas" are fine on a billiard table race track, but on B roads can be all over the place.
CRS. Don't even go there, a lash up if ever there was one "Designed" to wring the last drop of blood out of something with "Cost cutting" very much in mind, to take on the donor based replicas. All in all should be considered an embarrassing cry from help. I've seen them up close. round tubes replaced with box section to make production easier and cheaper, budget modern components added to replace either hard to source or just expensive original parts.
To see where the true enthusiasm lies (And the money) you only have to look at what price these cars sell for (Not what they are advertised for).
You can't fit original suspension parts or body parts to a CRS without changing the chassis. what does that tell you?
ooh I feel better now :-) :-)
I will not be drawn!!!There are a few comments on "Modern handling". Has anyone here actually driven an original coil spring Cobra???? Everyone knows how bad the handling is, or do they? It's just hearsay passed down over many, many years, and actually complete bowax if the truth be know.
All dreamed up by people with something to gain from this bad press.
Anti dive, anti squat, Zero bump steer (With a bit of re engineering). A very capable car and very nice to drive. You have to remember, the suspension geometry was drawn up by Ford's best engineers at the time who had something to prove against Ferrari. It's the earlier (2000 series) leaf sprung cars that drive like a blancmange (although a fairly predictable one).
You could always add 18" wheels with rubber band tyres if you wanted to know which way up the coin is that you have just run over. But that's it, just a change of wheels.
The chassis is incredibly stiff, but then you would expect that with 4" tall rails.
I too ignorantly used the "poor handling" blurb until I did my homework. And that doesn't mean reading comments on the internet from Friends of mates of cousins uncles who were "experts".
Many of the fibreglass donor based "replicas" are fine on a billiard table race track, but on B roads can be all over the place.
CRS. Don't even go there, a lash up if ever there was one "Designed" to wring the last drop of blood out of something with "Cost cutting" very much in mind, to take on the donor based replicas. All in all should be considered an embarrassing cry from help. I've seen them up close. round tubes replaced with box section to make production easier and cheaper, budget modern components added to replace either hard to source or just expensive original parts.
To see where the true enthusiasm lies (And the money) you only have to look at what price these cars sell for (Not what they are advertised for).
You can't fit original suspension parts or body parts to a CRS without changing the chassis. what does that tell you?
ooh I feel better now :-) :-)
Suffice to say that you know absolutely nothing first hand about AC cars.
I don't think I'd want to argue with Dave about Cobras either!!
cjb44 said:
russell_ram said:
I take it you haven't seen the new DB Replicas aluminium bodied cars then ? In fact, OP's budget isn't too far off buying one of those if he doesn't mind a wait.
No I have not as it happens nor do I want to, .......!Sounds legit!
Dave Brookes said:
So, your advice/opinion here is based on your refusal to educate yourself on the subject matter?
Sounds legit!
No, my opinion is based on the fact that I hate replicas that are badged as the genuine article. As stated in a previous post I do not have a problem with any kit car or replica provided they do not carry badging of the genuine article (you should read the entire thread before commenting). I am aware that there are many replica/kit cars that are well engineered and maybe even better than the real thing in some cases as technology has moved on; however that is not the point!Sounds legit!
So you would never have said that "All Cobra replicas should be banned" in another section of these forums?
But no, that is not the point.
The point (that you avoided responding to) is that you feel qualified to tell us what is "the best" (when referring to a fibreglass car with MGB running gear) but then admit that you have limited knowledge and are not willing to learn.
I'm having trouble understanding your logic.
You don't even mention the badging issue until your 3rd post, and then it reads as an extra bit of hate in addition to the first part of the post. Maybe you should go back and read the who thread???
But no, that is not the point.
The point (that you avoided responding to) is that you feel qualified to tell us what is "the best" (when referring to a fibreglass car with MGB running gear) but then admit that you have limited knowledge and are not willing to learn.
I'm having trouble understanding your logic.
You don't even mention the badging issue until your 3rd post, and then it reads as an extra bit of hate in addition to the first part of the post. Maybe you should go back and read the who thread???
Edited by Dave Brookes on Wednesday 16th September 21:17
Edited by Dave Brookes on Wednesday 16th September 21:22
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