SVA/IVA evasion penalties?
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It depends on whether the car has been inspected by the VRO, some years ago I knew of a kit which was given the original registration but had the identity ie the number of doors/type of vehicle and the kit manufacturers chassis number substituted on the log book, the name of the vehicle was changed to the name of the kit as well,(this was during SVA days.)
The owner/builder queried the need for SVA and was told it was not needed as it was effectively a replacement chassis utilising the all the original components! So, as a registration officer performed all these actions he stopped arguing and taxed the car, now registered /described as a kitcar but retaining the donor reg number.
As the LVLO official representative said it was legal,who was he to argue ?
No deception was attempted, the official just interpreted the rules as he saw fit.So IMO the car was correctly registered as an authorised officer OK'd it.
The owner/builder queried the need for SVA and was told it was not needed as it was effectively a replacement chassis utilising the all the original components! So, as a registration officer performed all these actions he stopped arguing and taxed the car, now registered /described as a kitcar but retaining the donor reg number.
As the LVLO official representative said it was legal,who was he to argue ?
No deception was attempted, the official just interpreted the rules as he saw fit.So IMO the car was correctly registered as an authorised officer OK'd it.
RobinOakapple said:
Anyone happen to know the current legal position on a car that should have been SVA tested but which simply kept the donor registration instead?
As has been stated elsewhere much depends on what the V5c says.If it says Ford Cortina or such like then it is illegal. These days the MOT test stations have been told to refuse to test if they do not believe the car is as described on the database.
If the V5c describes it by a kitcar name or by describing it as a custom body etc then it is correctly registered as someone within DVLA has made those changes defining its current status. Whether they were correct in doing so is another matter.
Steve
RobinOakapple said:
Thanks for the info supplied so far, everybody, but the question remains as to what the penalty would be? Is it possible that the car could be impounded and/or crushed?
I'm sure you would be given the option to get it through IVA but if you failed to do this then I'm pretty sure they would then impound and crush the car.There would no doubt be fines as well.
Steve
Steve_D said:
RobinOakapple said:
Thanks for the info supplied so far, everybody, but the question remains as to what the penalty would be? Is it possible that the car could be impounded and/or crushed?
I'm sure you would be given the option to get it through IVA but if you failed to do this then I'm pretty sure they would then impound and crush the car.There would no doubt be fines as well.
Steve
not illegal to own a non-road-legal vehicle, surely (a racing car or track day car)
If stopped by the Police it would be impounded as insurance and MOT would be invalid. As for crushing it you would get a period to prove your case which you can't then it would rot in a Police pound.
It is unlikely you would get the car back until its identity it's verified and as your question hints at you know it's a wrongun and are chancing it
It is unlikely you would get the car back until its identity it's verified and as your question hints at you know it's a wrongun and are chancing it
PaulKemp said:
If stopped by the Police it would be impounded as insurance and MOT would be invalid. As for crushing it you would get a period to prove your case which you can't then it would rot in a Police pound.
It is unlikely you would get the car back until its identity it's verified and as your question hints at you know it's a wrongun and are chancing it
This is incorrect.It is unlikely you would get the car back until its identity it's verified and as your question hints at you know it's a wrongun and are chancing it
Will everyone please stop saying insurance would be invalid. If you purchase insurance and then lie / deceive on your own vehicle (this could be down as far as just modifications) you are still insured 3rd party to cover other road users until the policy is either (I dont know if this means you can continue driving? but up until the point of being found out you are insured)
1) cancelled
2) you pay the relevant penalty fee (if the insurance company offers it) to cover the vehicle as it actually is
As for the police impounding the vehicle that is also very unlikely if the vehicle is shown as tax'd, mot'd and insured on their Database. And shows no signs of tampering with the vin plates or cut and shut etc... They will probably make a note and ask for it to be sorted. If then stopped again that's a different matter.
The above I know as I had a toyota supra where every panel was modified other than the roof (lights, chassis, interior were the same etc...) I was stopped and told 'there's not much of a supra left here'and did the above checks on the car there and then for any identity tampering, I also explained what had been done to the car, so I was asked to get DVLA clarification and sent on my way. I got DVLA clarification that the car was fine and was classed as a bodykit. I then carried a copy of that letter in the car just in case I was to be stopped again.
- edit ** added dont know if can continue to drive
Edited by killerferret666 on Wednesday 16th September 09:57
I was at MNR yesterday and while being shown around by Chris he told me about a car they are currently getting ready for IVA. The car was built and raced then changed hands and ended up on the road with a 1970's donor reg. The car was pulled over and impounded by the police.
The car has now found its way to MNR for IVA prep.
The car has now found its way to MNR for IVA prep.
Edited by CraigJ on Saturday 19th September 18:23
The car I have in mind is actually an extremely expensive replica of a 50s style sports car, and has apparently dodged SVA/IVA testing by using the registration from a car which might or might not have donated some of the parts.
It's now for sale at a price which would buy you at two factory built Ultimas and leave a chunk of change.
It's now for sale at a price which would buy you at two factory built Ultimas and leave a chunk of change.
RobinOakapple said:
The car I have in mind is actually an extremely expensive replica of a 50s style sports car, and has apparently dodged SVA/IVA testing by using the registration from a car which might or might not have donated some of the parts.
It's now for sale at a price which would buy you at two factory built Ultimas and leave a chunk of change.
Hi the link below is a slightly different issue but DVLA are starting to review older cars with questionable history/registration. I think the conclusion is that DVLA would take away the registration of the car and get you to pass an IVA or Q plate.It's now for sale at a price which would buy you at two factory built Ultimas and leave a chunk of change.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Edited by dig123 on Saturday 19th September 09:01
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