ANOTHER Registration Question
Discussion
So, imagine you have a kit car. It's correctly registered as the kit, not the donor, and has plate related to the age of the donor (tax exempt), not a Q, and not a new registration.
I think the method by which is got this registration is irrelevant (SVA, IVA, Amnesty or whatever). If you were to change the engine for one with a different capacity, necessitating a change to the V5, would the car require an inspection, and run the risk of losing the age-related plate? Or is it a case of once the registration is done, you're safe?
If I was to put, for example, a 2.0 engine into a 1.8 Mondeo, I can't imagine DVLA or VOSA wiuld give mush of a toss, but I don't actually know, and I don't know if kits are treated differently.
TIA
I think the method by which is got this registration is irrelevant (SVA, IVA, Amnesty or whatever). If you were to change the engine for one with a different capacity, necessitating a change to the V5, would the car require an inspection, and run the risk of losing the age-related plate? Or is it a case of once the registration is done, you're safe?
If I was to put, for example, a 2.0 engine into a 1.8 Mondeo, I can't imagine DVLA or VOSA wiuld give mush of a toss, but I don't actually know, and I don't know if kits are treated differently.
TIA
Change of engine won't affect the registration status. You are required to inform DVLA and get the V5 changed. The tax band may change and they might want a letter from a garage or MOT station confirming the engine number/capacity (esp' if going to a lower band).
It won't affect the emmision requirements at MOT either and these stay the same as at SVA/IVA regardless of engine changes (though Q plates are tested as visable smoke only for MOT).
It won't affect the emmision requirements at MOT either and these stay the same as at SVA/IVA regardless of engine changes (though Q plates are tested as visable smoke only for MOT).
Doofus said:
As per my OP, this car is tax exempt, and therefore emissions are irrelevant.
My question was whether or not an engine change would trigger an inspection, and jeopardise the registration. Given how anal DVLA are apparently getting over kit car registrations, that's what concerns me.
Your safe to change the engine AFAIK. However I have heard DVLA are checking into "historic" cars and enquiring just how original they actually are. Seens they've got wind of a few being a bit "triggers brush"; Had the same one for years but it's had 6 new heads and 4 new handles! My question was whether or not an engine change would trigger an inspection, and jeopardise the registration. Given how anal DVLA are apparently getting over kit car registrations, that's what concerns me.
AdiT said:
Doofus said:
As per my OP, this car is tax exempt, and therefore emissions are irrelevant.
My question was whether or not an engine change would trigger an inspection, and jeopardise the registration. Given how anal DVLA are apparently getting over kit car registrations, that's what concerns me.
Your safe to change the engine AFAIK. However I have heard DVLA are checking into "historic" cars and enquiring just how original they actually are. Seens they've got wind of a few being a bit "triggers brush"; Had the same one for years but it's had 6 new heads and 4 new handles! My question was whether or not an engine change would trigger an inspection, and jeopardise the registration. Given how anal DVLA are apparently getting over kit car registrations, that's what concerns me.
The only caveat would be if the engine swap required modification to the chassis/structure to accommodate the new engine. Even then, that might go unnoticed.
Interesting point about Trigger's Broom, I guess it won't be a problem if the changes that need to be documented are recorded at the time the work is done.
I wouldn't expect swapping parts (even chassis and bodyshells) like for like to be an issue for any car, would you?
Frankthered said:
I wouldn't expect swapping parts (even chassis and bodyshells) like for like to be an issue for any car, would you?
Normally, no. But I know kits are registered according to a points system, and the engine is one of the big points scorers. Having said which, it already doesn't have the donor's original engine (or capacity) in it, but I don't know if it was registered pre-SVA or not, and wasn't sure what difference it makes.Once the parts used are declared and points awarded, the car passes IVA and is then registered and awarded a registration number and V5 received with VIN number on it, the car then has its identity, minor changes such as engine are recorded when they happen against that cars identity on the V5
The car will retain its identity regardless of engine change however road tax liability may change.
You will not have to go through the IVA process again for that vehicle unless it is substantially modified
The car will retain its identity regardless of engine change however road tax liability may change.
You will not have to go through the IVA process again for that vehicle unless it is substantially modified
Out of curiosity, what is the date of first registration on the V5? It should be the date the kit was registered, even if it has an earlier age related reg' assigned to it... or thats the way it currently works and means you can't get historic, tax free status even if the donor could.
AdiT said:
Out of curiosity, what is the date of first registration on the V5? It should be the date the kit was registered, even if it has an earlier age related reg' assigned to it... or thats the way it currently works and means you can't get historic, tax free status even if the donor could.
This isn't how it worked with my Minari. The car retained enough donor parts for an age related plate, but not the one from the original donor. When I got the V5 in 2011, it still stated 1 August 1987 as the date of first registration, meaning I needed an MOT when I came to re-tax it.ISTR several others on here who have had the same issue - expecting not to need an MOT for three years and being surprised when it didn't work like that. An MOT isn't much of a hardship, so nobody put up a fight (AFAIK).
Have the rules changed?
It's always been my understanding that an age related will require an MOT.
A new reg. is based on a car with all new parts (bar 1) so it follows you don't need an MOT.
The age related is made from old parts and an IVA does not consider the condition of those parts only their suitability for the design and structure of the car. It follows then that an MOT should be required.
The example I use is the IVA inspector checks out an extreme 4x4 kit and decides an Austin Mine Track Rod End is not suitable for that car. The MOT inspector only checks to see if the TRE is worn.
Steve
A new reg. is based on a car with all new parts (bar 1) so it follows you don't need an MOT.
The age related is made from old parts and an IVA does not consider the condition of those parts only their suitability for the design and structure of the car. It follows then that an MOT should be required.
The example I use is the IVA inspector checks out an extreme 4x4 kit and decides an Austin Mine Track Rod End is not suitable for that car. The MOT inspector only checks to see if the TRE is worn.
Steve
Steve_D said:
It's always been my understanding that an age related will require an MOT.
A new reg. is based on a car with all new parts (bar 1) so it follows you don't need an MOT.
The age related is made from old parts and an IVA does not consider the condition of those parts only their suitability for the design and structure of the car. It follows then that an MOT should be required.
The example I use is the IVA inspector checks out an extreme 4x4 kit and decides an Austin Mine Track Rod End is not suitable for that car. The MOT inspector only checks to see if the TRE is worn.
Steve
Agree that it's logical, Steve and that's why I wasn't too bothered about getting an MOT. But logic and the DVLA often don't go together, do they?A new reg. is based on a car with all new parts (bar 1) so it follows you don't need an MOT.
The age related is made from old parts and an IVA does not consider the condition of those parts only their suitability for the design and structure of the car. It follows then that an MOT should be required.
The example I use is the IVA inspector checks out an extreme 4x4 kit and decides an Austin Mine Track Rod End is not suitable for that car. The MOT inspector only checks to see if the TRE is worn.
Steve
My kit got an age related plate but was shown as registered in 2008, the date of registration after SVA so I did not MOT for 3 years past that.
If you pass IVA regardless of donor age the car is considered as new and will not need MOT for 3 years.
There was an issue with some local DVLA offices changing the MOT requirement locally and DVLA HQ went with this
However there are no longer any local DVLA offices so the policy comes from DVLA HQ Swansea and is MOT 3 years after IVA & registration
Some people foolishly took there cars for MOT earlier than required or even before registration and confused the MOT computer system thus needing an MOT every year
If you pass IVA regardless of donor age the car is considered as new and will not need MOT for 3 years.
There was an issue with some local DVLA offices changing the MOT requirement locally and DVLA HQ went with this
However there are no longer any local DVLA offices so the policy comes from DVLA HQ Swansea and is MOT 3 years after IVA & registration
Some people foolishly took there cars for MOT earlier than required or even before registration and confused the MOT computer system thus needing an MOT every year
AdiT said:
Out of curiosity, what is the date of first registration on the V5? It should be the date the kit was registered, even if it has an earlier age related reg' assigned to it... or thats the way it currently works and means you can't get historic, tax free status even if the donor could.
It's on a J suffix, and date of registration, according to the V5, is 1971.Gassing Station | Kit Cars | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff