Mid engine kit car

[thecarbuilder246]

HI.
Not sure-the guy said it was from a focus mk 2 st and the manufacture date on the box is 06/06/06.

[Fastdruid]

Focus ST (225) was from 2005 so it should be a M66.

[thecarbuilder246]

is there anything else on the casing / code etc, or on the sticker where the manufacture date is to correctly identify it? there is a bar code on it too

[andygtt]

ST225 focus gearbox

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Focus-st-225-2005-2...

ST220 6 speed Gearbox

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MONDEO-MK3-ST220-3-0L-V6...


Key easy to spot difference when looking at it... ST225 starter is on engine side, ST220 has the starter on the box side.

[thecarbuilder246]

Hi All
Well I've got the gearbox sitting on the engine and everything looks like it's going to work. I have the cosworth bellhousing spec's but can't seem to find the volvo/ford M66 gearbox bellhousing bolt pattern. Anyone know where I could find this. Then I can get my adaptor plate cnc'd and sort a flywheel and clutch.
ian

[Yazza54]

thecarbuilder246 said:

Hi All
Well I've got the gearbox sitting on the engine and everything looks like it's going to work. I have the cosworth bellhousing spec's but can't seem to find the volvo/ford M66 gearbox bellhousing bolt pattern. Anyone know where I could find this. Then I can get my adaptor plate cnc'd and sort a flywheel and clutch.
ian

We like pics, just a hint

[thecarbuilder246]

Hi all

I've managed to fit the m66 box to the v6 but have come across another box that may be useful. That is the vw/audi group's 02m 6 speed box. Same sort of dimensions to the m66 box but if I'm honest looks better made!!
I've sourced one from a seat cupra cup but the problem seems to be it comes with drive cups attached to the output from the box.
What I'd like to know is if these can be removed and a splined type intermediate shaft (similar to the ford) be use instead? According to the forums they are a robust box and also the starter bolts to the box too so removes that problem. A bit lighter as well.

ian

[thecarbuilder246]

Hi all

I've completely changed my mind on this one. Out go the ford focus box and the seat/vw 02m box.
In comes the toyota Mr2 Turbo box. MId Engined to start with. Cable change and able to take upwards of 300bhp.
And LSD as standard. I've picked up a low milage car (89,000 KM) that had failed it's mot on rust and that has
supplied me with the box/clutch flywheel/starter/drive shafts/cable linkage and gearshifter. Now I know a lot of this
will only be used for measurements or mocking up but it's a good start.
Now my question is does anyone know of a company doing custom Flywheels. I need a flywheel for a toyota mr2
that can fit to a ford cosworth V6 and take in to account the 10mm adaptor plate. I plan on using the standard type
Mr2 clutch pattern and flywheel so I can retain the mr2 starter. A mildly uprated clutch will be used.

ian

[greenamex2]

TTV Racing

They did one for me to mate a Nissan V6 to a Hewland ex-BTCC Renault gearbox.

If you get stuck with the starter motor, have a word with Brise.


Alternatively have a word with "Vibration Free".

[Sylvaforever]

Great thread!

[thecarbuilder246]

HI

Thanks. I did have a quick look a ttr but I thought they did just stock flywheels.
I'm going to stick with the mr2 starter as it bolts to the gearbox.
Anybody know of someone doing custom adaptor plates?

ian

[Fastdruid]

TTV not TTR - http://ttvracing.com/

In terms of flywheels they'll make anything for anything.

[dai1983]

Fastdruid said:

TTV not TTR - http://ttvracing.com/

In terms of flywheels they'll make anything for anything.

Any idea how much they charge for one you've designed yourself? Fancy mating a Duratec to an A4/Passat transaxle and the only kit I've seen is £1200 for an adapter and flywheel!!!

[Fastdruid]

dai1983 said:

Fastdruid said:

TTV not TTR - http://ttvracing.com/

In terms of flywheels they'll make anything for anything.

Any idea how much they charge for one you've designed yourself? Fancy mating a Duratec to an A4/Passat transaxle and the only kit I've seen is £1200 for an adapter and flywheel!!!

Around £300 I believe. I've not used them personally though, I just seem to recall someone paid about that for one. Was a few years ago though.

[thecarbuilder246]

Fastdruid said:

Around £300 I believe. I've not used them personally though, I just seem to recall someone paid about that for one. Was a few years ago though.

That doesn't seem to bad. I've seen off the shelf standard flywheels for £600 upwards!!

[Chris-S]

Good call on the gearbox I think. A friend is using one on a turbo Alfa V6 that is making around 500/500. No issues with the box so far, although he has broken other bits, including the Alfa box he first started with.

[shortie2]

andygtt said:

dai1983 said:

andygtt said:

All the above engines have the same gearbox stud pattern (essentially same block) and thus the ST220 box fits them.

The Jag V6 is exactly the same block as the ST220, the ST220 box bolts straight on... its a better engine out the box however I have tuned the ST220 engine to over 700bhp and 8000rpm reliably.
For my turbo application the ST220 engine was the best choice the others would not have the same power potential (seen the ST200 engine taken to 500bhp however).

Cheers for that. It was actually your posts on the Locost forum praising the AJ30 that had me starting to consider it. Do you happen to know if the solid Mondeo V6 flywheels, starters and pre-st220 boxes bolt up to the Jaguar unit? Do the Jag engines have any other benefits over the Ford items?

I can't see me needing more than 240bhp in my plans as the theme is bang per buck. I'd also like 5-600kg total weight too and as such I've been considering the 2.3 Mazda 6 Duratec at 160 odd bhp as I'd get a single donor and they come with single mass flywheels. I started out thinking 1.7 puma donor but I'd be looking at about a grand to get to 150bhp so started looking at other options. The 2.3 would be a compromise of power and weight but I know I'd always be thinking about 240bhp v6 engines!

The Aj30 is a better engine out the box than the ST220 because of cams etc.... however the heads on the ST220 are better for ultimate power, but we are talking silly power here. I used to think about changing to the AJ30 heads on my car, but now I know more I see it as a step back as while they can rev higher they don't flow as well when ported apparently.

With a set of throttle bodies and decent mapping the AJ30 will apparently make 300bhp NA (I have been designing my own ITBs and carbon plenum for the ST220 and would fit the AJ30) .... the ford ST220 box and flywheels etc bolts straight up to the AJ30 as its an identical block and crank. I prefer the ST220 box as its a 6 speeder and the 5 speed box's are harder to get in decent ratios for my application and take less power (I swopped my 5 speed out for a 6 speed years back).

I do actually have a second hand Quaife LSD for a ST220 box I would part with... slap this in a stock ST220 box and it will take 350bhp all day long.

we are getting just over 400 bhp on a much modified normally aspirated AJ 30 engine

[greenamex2]

Fastdruid said:

dai1983 said:

Fastdruid said:

TTV not TTR - http://ttvracing.com/

In terms of flywheels they'll make anything for anything.

Any idea how much they charge for one you've designed yourself? Fancy mating a Duratec to an A4/Passat transaxle and the only kit I've seen is £1200 for an adapter and flywheel!!!

Around £300 I believe. I've not used them personally though, I just seem to recall someone paid about that for one. Was a few years ago though.

Mine was about £400, but included the crank trigger teeth so started out with quite a hefty piece of steel...and an extra machining step or two.

[thecarbuilder246]

Hi All

Just in the process of getting an adaptor plate made. I've had the mr2 turbo box measured and a test plate done but a couple of the holes are not quite spot on. My question is would anyone have the dimensions or bolt pattern for the toyota mr2 turbo box? What I need really is the dowel locations. The ford part is spot on.
Ian