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Here's an interesting project for someone......
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/fiat-cinquecento-alfa-v6-12v...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/fiat-cinquecento-alfa-v6-12v...
I have read a few articles over the years about driving Group B monsters on the road, namely Delta S4, rS200 and 6R4. Now, obviously they are all different, some roadgoing, some "clubmans" and some tuned to within an inch of their lives. Ferg will clarify I am sure, but they are way behind modern Subarus and Mitubishis in the refinement stakes!! The guy driving the Delta S4 Stradale drove it home from Italy, where it's 20 year old tyres de-laminated and exploded before he got to enjoy it to it's full. The RS200 if I remember was a bit agricultural and not particularly fast by today's standards, and the 6R4 was a MONSTER!!! Full race difffs and clutch, no sound deadening , probobly making a bike engined car sound like a limo. And Ferg can fill you in on how much it costs to repair a 6R4 engine...
rhinochopig said:
Ferg said:
I've posted some pics on the thread you started in 'kitcars'....
Ferg, what were they like to drive on the road? Do they make a good Sunday morning B road toy? I can't help but wonder whether most of the Grp B cars are never meet your heroes cars.I'll have a look in the shed to see what the moulds are like. Don't hold your breath though, from memory the front panel mould was the only one that produced anything better than 'rallycross' standard!!
Interesting that you fancy doing a replica. I've long felt that the bloody thing is just SO bespoke, that you'd need pretty much all 6R4 bits to make a real go of it!! The way the engine sits compared to the rear axle line means you really have to have a shaft through the sump like the V64V engine did.
Interesting that you fancy doing a replica. I've long felt that the bloody thing is just SO bespoke, that you'd need pretty much all 6R4 bits to make a real go of it!! The way the engine sits compared to the rear axle line means you really have to have a shaft through the sump like the V64V engine did.
rb5230 said:
That looks quite impressive, did it take long? surely some money to made with those.
I took 2years as did all design and build myself - but no money to be made - I sold it for a little less than the cost to make - .probably due to internal finioshes that were ok for motorsport but not for a comfortable??? road car - full rollcage no carperts no rear seat no door cards - lightweight (flimsey??) doors etc
Always thought these where so ulgly that you had to love them....
Just a thought on the 4wd v6 engine layout..... I wonder if you could say use a normal V6 fwd engine and Trans but turn it though 90 deg and put it in the back just like the original .. The original fwd diff then becomes the Center diff... And the cv shafts become the front and rear props... 2 normal diffs from a Cossy of some sort and your close to the original setup....
MADD ?? What do you think. Possible ??
Just a thought on the 4wd v6 engine layout..... I wonder if you could say use a normal V6 fwd engine and Trans but turn it though 90 deg and put it in the back just like the original .. The original fwd diff then becomes the Center diff... And the cv shafts become the front and rear props... 2 normal diffs from a Cossy of some sort and your close to the original setup....
MADD ?? What do you think. Possible ??
GTRCLIVE said:
Always thought these where so ulgly that you had to love them....
Just a thought on the 4wd v6 engine layout..... I wonder if you could say use a normal V6 fwd engine and Trans but turn it though 90 deg and put it in the back just like the original .. The original fwd diff then becomes the Center diff... And the cv shafts become the front and rear props... 2 normal diffs from a Cossy of some sort and your close to the original setup....
MADD ?? What do you think. Possible ??
MAD! lol Just a thought on the 4wd v6 engine layout..... I wonder if you could say use a normal V6 fwd engine and Trans but turn it though 90 deg and put it in the back just like the original .. The original fwd diff then becomes the Center diff... And the cv shafts become the front and rear props... 2 normal diffs from a Cossy of some sort and your close to the original setup....
MADD ?? What do you think. Possible ??
Its been done in some off road / trials type cars but you end up with SUPER low gearing is you use a normal diff. If you could make some 1:1 diffs then you have a fighting chance. although FWd gearboxes are normally not that strong (Noble guys are making their work with approx. 550lbsft).
Does a kit 6R4 need to be 4WD? To look and sound like a 6R4 would be enough
The real thing, going to the shops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8bO7OfUgqg
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The real thing, going to the shops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8bO7OfUgqg
Edit: link
Anyone here old enough and from the north east of England?
back in the (oh I don't know) late 1980s or early 1990s (possibly), there was a guy who autocrossed a Mark 3 Escort which was 4 wheel drive using IIRC Granada diffs.
Chris Clarkson was his name, (used to run a washing machine repair place in Byker).
That car was unbelievably quick off the line, had a habit of understeering off at the first corner and wasn't that reliably. But by heck it was quick when it went.
back in the (oh I don't know) late 1980s or early 1990s (possibly), there was a guy who autocrossed a Mark 3 Escort which was 4 wheel drive using IIRC Granada diffs.
Chris Clarkson was his name, (used to run a washing machine repair place in Byker).
That car was unbelievably quick off the line, had a habit of understeering off at the first corner and wasn't that reliably. But by heck it was quick when it went.
V8 Fettler said:
Does a kit 6R4 need to be 4WD? To look and sound like a 6R4 would be enough
The real thing, going to the shops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8bO7OfUgqg
Edit: link
Needn't be 4WD for me - a nice transverse V6 from a FWD car, in the back would suit me just fine!The real thing, going to the shops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8bO7OfUgqg
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Most of the RS200 reps are not 4WD so I don't see it as a necessity.
BUT - It would be nice to have (though I think I'd prefer a mid-4WD RS200).
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