Metro 6R4

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Ferg

15,242 posts

256 months

Wednesday 5th January 2011
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Ah, you wanted floorpan....




spyder dryver

1,329 posts

215 months

Wednesday 5th January 2011
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Here's an interesting project for someone......

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/fiat-cinquecento-alfa-v6-12v...

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

197 months

Thursday 6th January 2011
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Ferg said:
I've posted some pics on the thread you started in 'kitcars'....
Ferg, what were they like to drive on the road? Do they make a good Sunday morning B road toy? I can't help but wonder whether most of the Grp B cars are never meet your heroes cars.

Furyblade_Lee

4,107 posts

223 months

Thursday 6th January 2011
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I have read a few articles over the years about driving Group B monsters on the road, namely Delta S4, rS200 and 6R4. Now, obviously they are all different, some roadgoing, some "clubmans" and some tuned to within an inch of their lives. Ferg will clarify I am sure, but they are way behind modern Subarus and Mitubishis in the refinement stakes!! The guy driving the Delta S4 Stradale drove it home from Italy, where it's 20 year old tyres de-laminated and exploded before he got to enjoy it to it's full. The RS200 if I remember was a bit agricultural and not particularly fast by today's standards, and the 6R4 was a MONSTER!!! Full race difffs and clutch, no sound deadening , probobly making a bike engined car sound like a limo. And Ferg can fill you in on how much it costs to repair a 6R4 engine...

Ferg

15,242 posts

256 months

Thursday 6th January 2011
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rhinochopig said:
Ferg said:
I've posted some pics on the thread you started in 'kitcars'....
Ferg, what were they like to drive on the road? Do they make a good Sunday morning B road toy? I can't help but wonder whether most of the Grp B cars are never meet your heroes cars.
Our Metro was not a toy...and that contributed to it's on-road behaviour. The dog-box was difficult unless you refuse to give it any mercy at all. I found that hard to do, I have a lot of mechanical sympathy. However, as a rally car it was absolutely fantastic. As Lee says, having the 2.8 V64V behind your head just a foot behind polycarbonate did make it a tad noisy and ear-defenders were a necessity if you weren't wearing a crash helmet!

olczyk

1 posts

158 months

Thursday 13th January 2011
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Hello, who sell body panels please ?
Who sell original shell ?
Regards

Ferg

15,242 posts

256 months

Thursday 13th January 2011
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We reshelled our car with one of the last original shells nearly ten years ago. I doubt there are any unused out there. Panels are available from many places, but quality varies. We have some moulds somewhere, but the panels weren't great straight from the mould....

wirralracing

2 posts

207 months

Saturday 15th January 2011
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What sort of condition are the panels like you can make? I have been interested in doing a full replica for years (did a few rwd ones ages ago).
Alot of places that did kits, no longer do them.

Ferg

15,242 posts

256 months

Saturday 15th January 2011
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I'll have a look in the shed to see what the moulds are like. Don't hold your breath though, from memory the front panel mould was the only one that produced anything better than 'rallycross' standard!!

Interesting that you fancy doing a replica. I've long felt that the bloody thing is just SO bespoke, that you'd need pretty much all 6R4 bits to make a real go of it!! The way the engine sits compared to the rear axle line means you really have to have a shaft through the sump like the V64V engine did.

fialcia

3 posts

184 months

Sunday 6th February 2011
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Hi all i would be interested if you ever make some panels from your molds just in the procces of building a delta s4 replica but would love to build a 6r4 replica to thanks Mick.

magpies

5,129 posts

181 months

Monday 7th February 2011
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not sure if this helps but I built this a couple of years ago for less than £7k
used Toyota Celica GT4 with 300bhp as a base


rb5230

11,657 posts

171 months

Tuesday 8th February 2011
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magpies said:
not sure if this helps but I built this a couple of years ago for less than £7k
used Toyota Celica GT4 with 300bhp as a base

That looks quite impressive, did it take long? surely some money to made with those.

magpies

5,129 posts

181 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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rb5230 said:
That looks quite impressive, did it take long? surely some money to made with those.
I took 2years as did all design and build myself - but no money to be made - I sold it for a little less than the cost to make - .weeping
probably due to internal finioshes that were ok for motorsport but not for a comfortable??? road car - full rollcage no carperts no rear seat no door cards - lightweight (flimsey??) doors etc

p1doc

3,111 posts

183 months

Thursday 10th February 2011
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magpies said:
not sure if this helps but I built this a couple of years ago for less than £7k
used Toyota Celica GT4 with 300bhp as a base

looks amazing!
martin

GTRCLIVE

4,186 posts

282 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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Always thought these where so ulgly that you had to love them....
Just a thought on the 4wd v6 engine layout..... I wonder if you could say use a normal V6 fwd engine and Trans but turn it though 90 deg and put it in the back just like the original .. The original fwd diff then becomes the Center diff... And the cv shafts become the front and rear props... 2 normal diffs from a Cossy of some sort and your close to the original setup....

MADD ?? What do you think. Possible ??

chuntington101

5,733 posts

235 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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GTRCLIVE said:
Always thought these where so ulgly that you had to love them....
Just a thought on the 4wd v6 engine layout..... I wonder if you could say use a normal V6 fwd engine and Trans but turn it though 90 deg and put it in the back just like the original .. The original fwd diff then becomes the Center diff... And the cv shafts become the front and rear props... 2 normal diffs from a Cossy of some sort and your close to the original setup....

MADD ?? What do you think. Possible ??
MAD! lol

Its been done in some off road / trials type cars but you end up with SUPER low gearing is you use a normal diff. If you could make some 1:1 diffs then you have a fighting chance. although FWd gearboxes are normally not that strong (Noble guys are making their work with approx. 550lbsft).

dom9

8,040 posts

208 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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Would love a 6R4 - would go very nicely with my Clio V6!

V8 Fettler

7,019 posts

131 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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Does a kit 6R4 need to be 4WD? To look and sound like a 6R4 would be enough

The real thing, going to the shops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8bO7OfUgqg

Edit: link

Skyedriver

17,667 posts

281 months

Wednesday 18th March 2015
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Anyone here old enough and from the north east of England?
back in the (oh I don't know) late 1980s or early 1990s (possibly), there was a guy who autocrossed a Mark 3 Escort which was 4 wheel drive using IIRC Granada diffs.
Chris Clarkson was his name, (used to run a washing machine repair place in Byker).
That car was unbelievably quick off the line, had a habit of understeering off at the first corner and wasn't that reliably. But by heck it was quick when it went.

dom9

8,040 posts

208 months

Wednesday 18th March 2015
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V8 Fettler said:
Does a kit 6R4 need to be 4WD? To look and sound like a 6R4 would be enough

The real thing, going to the shops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8bO7OfUgqg

Edit: link
Needn't be 4WD for me - a nice transverse V6 from a FWD car, in the back would suit me just fine!

Most of the RS200 reps are not 4WD so I don't see it as a necessity.

BUT - It would be nice to have (though I think I'd prefer a mid-4WD RS200).