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brewstabmx said:
hey i was toying wiv bilding a replica 6r4 my self but was wondering wt the best metro is to use for a base car like wt model years also ive seen 6r4 bodykits do these fit straight on to metros as 6r4 was based on the mistro along with do u think a toyota mr2 turbo engine and running gear would make a good donor car as ther easey to tune and has the mid engine layout i know it wont be 4wd but im nt tht botherd about tht
Holy thread resurrection Batman! Is that English?
its a shame noone has built a spaceframe chaais with RPG body that looks like the 6R4..... engine would have to be 4WD and V6. a Honda K20, Cosst, Sooby, Alfa V6, Ford V6, MS2 turbo engines would all be 'good' choices. maybe evne a Volvo 5 pot turbo motor?? be a bvery intresting sound coming form the back of the 6R4. hell you might even beable to squease a V8 in there (didn't someone do that??)!!!
maybe we need to get on to Z-cars to build one!
having said that have you guys concidered the Monte carlo as an alternative??????
Chris.
maybe we need to get on to Z-cars to build one!
having said that have you guys concidered the Monte carlo as an alternative??????
Chris.
Z-Cars were definitely building one...
I wonder what becamse of it?
And that Nissan Skyline powered Cerbera they were building with teh 4wd running gear etc!
I quite like the idea of using a transverse engined, front engine 4wd system like out of a Mitsi Evo. Then either using an engine that spins 'the wrong way' or flip the front diff and work something out for the rear (originally the front) diff. Proper 4wd and not too expensive, if you find the right car.
The only obvious snag I can see is that most of these 4wd systems will torque bias towards the rear and since the rear is now the front, we could have terrible understeer. But, I am sure there are ways and means around this!
There must be some cheap systems around to give it a go, maybe a scrap Scooby Justy or something like that?
I wonder what becamse of it?
And that Nissan Skyline powered Cerbera they were building with teh 4wd running gear etc!
I quite like the idea of using a transverse engined, front engine 4wd system like out of a Mitsi Evo. Then either using an engine that spins 'the wrong way' or flip the front diff and work something out for the rear (originally the front) diff. Proper 4wd and not too expensive, if you find the right car.
The only obvious snag I can see is that most of these 4wd systems will torque bias towards the rear and since the rear is now the front, we could have terrible understeer. But, I am sure there are ways and means around this!
There must be some cheap systems around to give it a go, maybe a scrap Scooby Justy or something like that?
dom9 said:
Z-Cars were definitely building one...
I wonder what becamse of it?
And that Nissan Skyline powered Cerbera they were building with teh 4wd running gear etc!
I quite like the idea of using a transverse engined, front engine 4wd system like out of a Mitsi Evo. Then either using an engine that spins 'the wrong way' or flip the front diff and work something out for the rear (originally the front) diff. Proper 4wd and not too expensive, if you find the right car.
The only obvious snag I can see is that most of these 4wd systems will torque bias towards the rear and since the rear is now the front, we could have terrible understeer. But, I am sure there are ways and means around this!
There must be some cheap systems around to give it a go, maybe a scrap Scooby Justy or something like that?
Imprezas and Legacys are cheap enough to use as a source car. I'm not sure how easy it would be to get the running gear to work in a mid-engined application though.I wonder what becamse of it?
And that Nissan Skyline powered Cerbera they were building with teh 4wd running gear etc!
I quite like the idea of using a transverse engined, front engine 4wd system like out of a Mitsi Evo. Then either using an engine that spins 'the wrong way' or flip the front diff and work something out for the rear (originally the front) diff. Proper 4wd and not too expensive, if you find the right car.
The only obvious snag I can see is that most of these 4wd systems will torque bias towards the rear and since the rear is now the front, we could have terrible understeer. But, I am sure there are ways and means around this!
There must be some cheap systems around to give it a go, maybe a scrap Scooby Justy or something like that?
What about a Nissan 300ZX TT engine and RWD?
I thought about using a 'normal' Scooby, but aren't the boxer engines located longitudinally?
Then you would have the engine hanging out the back a la 911 C4/C4S/TT with 4wd.
Which might be fun, but perhaps not in a car with such a short wheelbase?!
I like the idea of a Honda S2000 engine (so it is spinning the gearbox the opposite way) using the 4wd system out of an Evo - It sounds a lot of fun in a car weighing less than a tonne!
Then you would have the engine hanging out the back a la 911 C4/C4S/TT with 4wd.
Which might be fun, but perhaps not in a car with such a short wheelbase?!
I like the idea of a Honda S2000 engine (so it is spinning the gearbox the opposite way) using the 4wd system out of an Evo - It sounds a lot of fun in a car weighing less than a tonne!
dom9 said:
I thought about using a 'normal' Scooby, but aren't the boxer engines located longitudinally?
Then you would have the engine hanging out the back a la 911 C4/C4S/TT with 4wd.
Which might be fun, but perhaps not in a car with such a short wheelbase?!
I like the idea of a Honda S2000 engine (so it is spinning the gearbox the opposite way) using the 4wd system out of an Evo - It sounds a lot of fun in a car weighing less than a tonne!
The Subaru engine is in front of the gearbox. So if you move the whole thing to the rear, the engine is in front of the wheels.Then you would have the engine hanging out the back a la 911 C4/C4S/TT with 4wd.
Which might be fun, but perhaps not in a car with such a short wheelbase?!
I like the idea of a Honda S2000 engine (so it is spinning the gearbox the opposite way) using the 4wd system out of an Evo - It sounds a lot of fun in a car weighing less than a tonne!
Paul Drawmer said:
dom9 said:
I thought about using a 'normal' Scooby, but aren't the boxer engines located longitudinally?
Then you would have the engine hanging out the back a la 911 C4/C4S/TT with 4wd.
Which might be fun, but perhaps not in a car with such a short wheelbase?!
I like the idea of a Honda S2000 engine (so it is spinning the gearbox the opposite way) using the 4wd system out of an Evo - It sounds a lot of fun in a car weighing less than a tonne!
The Subaru engine is in front of the gearbox. So if you move the whole thing to the rear, the engine is in front of the wheels.Then you would have the engine hanging out the back a la 911 C4/C4S/TT with 4wd.
Which might be fun, but perhaps not in a car with such a short wheelbase?!
I like the idea of a Honda S2000 engine (so it is spinning the gearbox the opposite way) using the 4wd system out of an Evo - It sounds a lot of fun in a car weighing less than a tonne!
The Subaru engine is in front of the gearbox in the normal (Subaru) car... Therefore when it is placed in the back of a car (6R4) with the prop running forward to the diff (now at the front, but would have been in the rear of the Subaru) the engine is now hanging out the back...
If you cut out the 4wd and just made the car mid engined, then yes, you would not have to turn anything around...
dom9 said:
Z-Cars were definitely building one...
I wonder what becamse of it?
And that Nissan Skyline powered Cerbera they were building with teh 4wd running gear etc!
I quite like the idea of using a transverse engined, front engine 4wd system like out of a Mitsi Evo. Then either using an engine that spins 'the wrong way' or flip the front diff and work something out for the rear (originally the front) diff. Proper 4wd and not too expensive, if you find the right car.
The only obvious snag I can see is that most of these 4wd systems will torque bias towards the rear and since the rear is now the front, we could have terrible understeer. But, I am sure there are ways and means around this!
There must be some cheap systems around to give it a go, maybe a scrap Scooby Justy or something like that?
The 6R4 was built for a customer and is complete and delivered. I wonder what becamse of it?
And that Nissan Skyline powered Cerbera they were building with teh 4wd running gear etc!
I quite like the idea of using a transverse engined, front engine 4wd system like out of a Mitsi Evo. Then either using an engine that spins 'the wrong way' or flip the front diff and work something out for the rear (originally the front) diff. Proper 4wd and not too expensive, if you find the right car.
The only obvious snag I can see is that most of these 4wd systems will torque bias towards the rear and since the rear is now the front, we could have terrible understeer. But, I am sure there are ways and means around this!
There must be some cheap systems around to give it a go, maybe a scrap Scooby Justy or something like that?
Chris is currently creating a spaceframed Peugeot 206 rally inspired rear engined car for the 6R4 drivers mate.
The TVR is a thing of wonder and nearly complete, the quality of the fabrication and the work involved is amazing. Shame it's not a V8. Still 600BHP should make it fairly nippy.
Edited by rdodger on Thursday 12th February 15:49
dom9 said:
Paul Drawmer said:
dom9 said:
I thought about using a 'normal' Scooby, but aren't the boxer engines located longitudinally?
Then you would have the engine hanging out the back a la 911 C4/C4S/TT with 4wd.
Which might be fun, but perhaps not in a car with such a short wheelbase?!
I like the idea of a Honda S2000 engine (so it is spinning the gearbox the opposite way) using the 4wd system out of an Evo - It sounds a lot of fun in a car weighing less than a tonne!
The Subaru engine is in front of the gearbox. So if you move the whole thing to the rear, the engine is in front of the wheels.Then you would have the engine hanging out the back a la 911 C4/C4S/TT with 4wd.
Which might be fun, but perhaps not in a car with such a short wheelbase?!
I like the idea of a Honda S2000 engine (so it is spinning the gearbox the opposite way) using the 4wd system out of an Evo - It sounds a lot of fun in a car weighing less than a tonne!
The Subaru engine is in front of the gearbox in the normal (Subaru) car... Therefore when it is placed in the back of a car (6R4) with the prop running forward to the diff (now at the front, but would have been in the rear of the Subaru) the engine is now hanging out the back...
If you cut out the 4wd and just made the car mid engined, then yes, you would not have to turn anything around...
there's a rep one that gets up the hills by us (south west). Looks the part, in the blue/white livery etc, but on inspection it had a ford 2.0l in the front and was rear wheel drive? Sort of defeats the object to me no???
I once looked at building one myself afew years back but the genuine fibreglass pannels off a 6r4 website totted up to about £1200 if i remember correctly, so that one went in the bin, manybe i'll just buy a proper one when i win the lotto hey!
I once looked at building one myself afew years back but the genuine fibreglass pannels off a 6r4 website totted up to about £1200 if i remember correctly, so that one went in the bin, manybe i'll just buy a proper one when i win the lotto hey!
There is/was a company called Cyclone that did a 4wd system and used two R1 engines grafted together to make a compact V8 2LTR 300 BHP.
Their website does not seem to exist anymore.
www.cyclonepowerltd.co.uk
Their website does not seem to exist anymore.
www.cyclonepowerltd.co.uk
dom9 said:
Z-Cars were definitely building one...
I wonder what becamse of it?
And that Nissan Skyline powered Cerbera they were building with teh 4wd running gear etc!
I quite like the idea of using a transverse engined, front engine 4wd system like out of a Mitsi Evo. Then either using an engine that spins 'the wrong way' or flip the front diff and work something out for the rear (originally the front) diff. Proper 4wd and not too expensive, if you find the right car.
The only obvious snag I can see is that most of these 4wd systems will torque bias towards the rear and since the rear is now the front, we could have terrible understeer. But, I am sure there are ways and means around this!
There must be some cheap systems around to give it a go, maybe a scrap Scooby Justy or something like that?
Keep it cheap and simple. Cossy engine mid mounted and 4WD (gearbox may intrude on capbin sapce). if the cossy isn't enough (5500bhp ++) then you could rig a LS1 with a could of turbos or a nice big procharger on there (1000+bhp). could use Quafie gearbox and diffs (as used in their 4WD racer). I wonder what becamse of it?
And that Nissan Skyline powered Cerbera they were building with teh 4wd running gear etc!
I quite like the idea of using a transverse engined, front engine 4wd system like out of a Mitsi Evo. Then either using an engine that spins 'the wrong way' or flip the front diff and work something out for the rear (originally the front) diff. Proper 4wd and not too expensive, if you find the right car.
The only obvious snag I can see is that most of these 4wd systems will torque bias towards the rear and since the rear is now the front, we could have terrible understeer. But, I am sure there are ways and means around this!
There must be some cheap systems around to give it a go, maybe a scrap Scooby Justy or something like that?
or a cheaper idea would be 2WD.
you wantmad nutter power then how about a 2.4ltr EVO engine driving the rear wheels??? i have seen a Evo mounted in the front of a PUG 306 with a Hyundi (spelling) 2wd gear box.
i dont think you could use a EVO gearbox/transfer case the 'wrong way around'.
Cheers
Chris.
rdodger said:
dom9 said:
Z-Cars were definitely building one...
I wonder what becamse of it?
And that Nissan Skyline powered Cerbera they were building with teh 4wd running gear etc!
I quite like the idea of using a transverse engined, front engine 4wd system like out of a Mitsi Evo. Then either using an engine that spins 'the wrong way' or flip the front diff and work something out for the rear (originally the front) diff. Proper 4wd and not too expensive, if you find the right car.
The only obvious snag I can see is that most of these 4wd systems will torque bias towards the rear and since the rear is now the front, we could have terrible understeer. But, I am sure there are ways and means around this!
There must be some cheap systems around to give it a go, maybe a scrap Scooby Justy or something like that?
The 6R4 was built for a customer and is complete and delivered. I wonder what becamse of it?
And that Nissan Skyline powered Cerbera they were building with teh 4wd running gear etc!
I quite like the idea of using a transverse engined, front engine 4wd system like out of a Mitsi Evo. Then either using an engine that spins 'the wrong way' or flip the front diff and work something out for the rear (originally the front) diff. Proper 4wd and not too expensive, if you find the right car.
The only obvious snag I can see is that most of these 4wd systems will torque bias towards the rear and since the rear is now the front, we could have terrible understeer. But, I am sure there are ways and means around this!
There must be some cheap systems around to give it a go, maybe a scrap Scooby Justy or something like that?
Chris is currently creating a spaceframed Peugeot 206 rally inspired rear engined car for the 6R4 drivers mate.
The TVR is a thing of wonder and nearly complete, the quality of the fabrication and the work involved is amazing. Shame it's not a V8. Still 600BHP should make it fairly nippy.
Edited by rdodger on Thursday 12th February 15:49
the work these guys do i really impresive! would love to know more about the 6R4 and Pug 206 build!
just thinking out loud here but what about a 'common spaceframed chassis' that you could drop verisous body shells onto??maybe the Monte chassis could be a starting point! could make for a cheap ish rallycross setup!
they could mamybe do a ford KA body with a 2.3 turbo Mazda MPS engine in the back or a 2.3 Duratec, or even the 5pot Volvo engine from the ST.
other body option:
206
'new' MINI
Saxo
Cheers
Chris.
PS any ideas how much the Cerbra cost??
Edited by chuntington101 on Friday 13th February 13:09
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