Extreme Cars Ferrari 360 Replica / Peugeot 406 donor

[mike406]

I have a 406 coupe, and whilst I think that the Ferrari Replica looks good I can't really see the point in it. A Peugoet 406 can never be a Ferrari, but it is a good car and can be enjoyed in its own right. I get plenty of comments about how good it looks, a 'Nice Car' from a driver letting me out of my drive this very morning. I think it is better to drive a good genuine car than something pretending to be something else. Also, how does all this extra bodywork effect crumple zones? Is the car less safe because of these modifications?

[dangerrous]

There seems to be a lot of heated debate over this replica. I am very interested in building one next year (Jan) I went to Donington yesterday and was impressed by the panel fit and look of the car, the 3ltr 406 has a nice engine and sounds good with a sports decat exhaust. So have I been put off by these comments? No, the 'I want one factor' still holds for me and I purchased the build diary some weeks ago. This is not a panel fit, it's a rebuild! The structural parts cut from the car are replaced with jigged 25x3mm box section keeping the structural integrity. I can have my cake and eat it too, a 360 four seater, quick conversion, 2 seater.
3 Months gives me some think time at which I will decide whether to part with my hard earned cash, there is an 8 week wait for the kit which is around the £8000 mark for me, some parts will be sourced elsewhere. Including donor I'm looking at around £13000, but I'm not taking my own labour into account, I'll take a short break from the repair business to do the build.
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[audior]

dont pay any attention to the neg remarks, i would love to be able to to this conversion but simply dont have the time/skill, so i will just have to wait until a built one is up for sale in my price range.

At the end of the day the people that will hate you the most will be the possers that payed 130k for his 360 and wants no one to have the same for less money.

[deathbyfish]

audior said:

At the end of the day the people that will hate you the most will be the possers that payed 130k for his 360 and wants no one to have the same for less money.

from what i've read on here that seems very true, the ammount of times i've read something like 'if you cant afford the real thing you shouldnt have anything that looks remotly like it'.

if you look past the fact that its a replica, its a very nice looking 4 seat practical kit car (of which there are very few) i wouldnt mind one on that reason alone. but its far to expensive for me.

[dangerrous]

I must admit with all the posts regarding this replica I wonder if those people would be so concerned about other more famous ones such as the caterham 7 or the AC cobra, by their own definition they too are just inferior copies of the original, although noted as some of the best kit cars around. My partner had the privelege of having an original AC earlier in her life, she said the feel of the car was breathtaking, luckily we went to Snetterton where she went in the DAX cobra as a passenger and commented about that feeling being revisited. So although never the real thing all replicas have to do is put a smile on your face, which the extreme does in abundance

Edited by dangerrous on Tuesday 19th September 10:13

[audior]

I think its more to do with the fact that its a ferrari replica then anything else TBH

[yourallnobs]

i have just completed building one of these and have to say its great, you can all call the car but alot of time and skill goes into making this car and lets be honest here, whats a kit car, i read through here and everyone raves lambo replicas are great and in the next sentanse say replicas are pants, im confussed, lotus 7, ac cobra, westfield, Someone designed and built these cars and then someone relicated them. So whats the deal with the ferrari 360, You dont like 4 seats, get a socket seat, take the 4 bolts out of the back seats and ram the rear seats up you rear end, what else, it dont look right,. ERH the panels were moulded of a real 360 and the 406 was altered to suit the kit, not the other way round, so i dont actually see how this is possible, It rides to high, do you resurch, adjustable suspension means you can adjust it, engine in the front, well your all experts here so im sure one of you can knock some 3x2 together, glue a yamaha engine in wack a chain around the rear axcel, the kit costs 6000k, = about 1000 on other bits, lights etc, the donors can be had for 500quid damadged, you want a shiney one when your stripping it, wheels cost me 900, and probably spent another 1500 on other bits like leather bucket seats, dash leather, badges etc. to me that adds to nearly 10k, so wheres 25K,

my advice, go and f-c* yourself

[ferg]

Somebody's tired.......

[fuoriserie]

yourallnobs said:

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my advice, go and f-c* yourself

Why.....

[gudgeonpin]

Nothing against these ferrari clones..each to their own and all that.

But I could not live with knowing that one day I would be sitting in traffic and the real thing would come alongside.. looking better, faster, engine note drowning out the fart of my peugeot / toyota 4-pot..

then I would feel a proper turnip. oh yes.

[supert]

Dangerrous said:

I must admit with all the posts regarding this replica I wonder if those people would be so concerned about other more famous ones such as the caterham 7 or the AC cobra, by their own definition they too are just inferior copies of the original, although noted as some of the best kit cars around. My partner had the privelege of having an original AC earlier in her life, she said the feel of the car was breathtaking, luckily we went to Snetterton where she went in the DAX cobra as a passenger and commented about that feeling being revisited. So although never the real thing all replicas have to do is put a smile on your face, which the extreme does in abundance

Well said that man! Why can't we live & let live I say. After all when you're driving smugly down the road in your "Cobra" (whether it's got 4 cyls or 8 or 12) do you honestly think anybody actually thinks it's a Cobra - get real! It's the least imaginatively & most copied car on the planet, I feel sorry for anyone who's spent a fortune to own a real one just to get asked "What kitcar manufacture makes that one - doesn't look very realistic with those rivets round the bonnet!"
The only less imaginative thing you could do would be to get a Caterfield or any of the other 20,000,000 copies out there.

Plenty of us could buy the real Ferrari or Lambo, not too many would like the running costs or the depreciation if you buy anything vaguely recent - buy an old one & you're scared to drive it hard in case it blows up & costs a fortune. A friend had a one year old Porsche 996 for about 10 months, it cost him around £18,000 in depreciation & service costs!!! For that he could have bought one of these (or 2 of the MR2 355's!) & owned it forever, with low running costs & insurance.

Surely the question you have to ask yourself is "does it put a smile on your face?" if it does then job done & good luck to you, if not it's not the car for you, but don't take others fun away from them by slagging all replicas off & tarring them all with the same brush - I actually have some sympathy with "Youreallknobs" - wonder who he really is?

[supert]

Dangerrous said:

I must admit with all the posts regarding this replica I wonder if those people would be so concerned about other more famous ones such as the caterham 7 or the AC cobra, by their own definition they too are just inferior copies of the original, although noted as some of the best kit cars around. My partner had the privelege of having an original AC earlier in her life, she said the feel of the car was breathtaking, luckily we went to Snetterton where she went in the DAX cobra as a passenger and commented about that feeling being revisited. So although never the real thing all replicas have to do is put a smile on your face, which the extreme does in abundance

Well said that man! Why can't we live & let live I say. After all when you're driving smugly down the road in your "Cobra" (whether it's got 4 cyls or 8 or 12) do you honestly think anybody actually thinks it's a Cobra - get real! It's the least imaginatively & most copied car on the planet, I feel sorry for anyone who's spent a fortune to own a real one just to get asked "What kitcar manufacture makes that one - doesn't look very realistic with those rivets round the bonnet!"
The only less imaginative thing you could do would be to get a Caterfield or any of the other 20,000,000 copies out there.

Plenty of us could buy the real Ferrari or Lambo, not too many would like the running costs or the depreciation if you buy anything vaguely recent - buy an old one & you're scared to drive it hard in case it blows up & costs a fortune. A friend had a one year old Porsche 996 for about 10 months, it cost him around £18,000 in depreciation & service costs!!! For that he could have bought one of these (or 2 of the MR2 355's!) & owned it forever, with low running costs & insurance.

Surely the question you have to ask yourself is "does it put a smile on your face?" if it does then job done & good luck to you, if not it's not the car for you, but don't take others fun away from them by slagging all replicas off & tarring them all with the same brush - I actually have some sympathy with "Youreallknobs" - wonder who he really is?

[ferg]

supert said:

I actually have some sympathy with "Youreallknobs" - wonder who he really is?

Some, but not much. I don't mind considered argument, but ranting is just silly.

I've never been particularly enamoured with Saxos with bodykits and this 'replica' is not really very different to that is it?
I saw two 'Kitcars' yesterday. A Silver 'Cobra' (Greenstead Roundabout, Colchester - Was it you? ) and a Black and Yellow Dutton Phaeton (Haverhill Focus Car Park - Was it you? ))
I have to say I was much more interested in the Dut.
Each to their own, fair enough, but I prefer original designs and I like to be able to speak about it on forums without childish morons registering just so they can be all confrontational....

And surely it should be 'You'rerealknobs'

[fuoriserie]

supert said:

[quote=Dangerrous]I , if not it's not the car for you, but don't take others fun away from them by slagging all replicas off & tarring them all with the same brush - I actually have some sympathy with "Youreallknobs" - wonder who he really is?

In my opinion, rebodies will have a come back, just like in the 60's, and the concept is really smart, maybe we should see more original designs, and less copies or replicas.
I also think that, we can all have our ferrari, cobra or whatever replica rebody , but don't understand "Youreallknobs" reaction..

Is he frustrated? Why? my advice to him.just enjoy your car, and forget about what others think!!!

Who cares if others like it, if you do, than that is enough.

[gudgeonpin]

Each to their own.. e.g; I will never understand the 'concours' car brigade who put mirrors under their cars at shows just to show off how shiny the underside of the car is.

Strikes me as absurd, but if it makes the owner happy fair enough.

Likewise ferrari reps (and we are not talking Cobras or 7s here, as you try and show me the 'original' car .. sorry but you cant pinpoint an exact car can you?) - dont make sense to me personally, but if its your thing, fine.

The thing that irritates me though is that these ferrari replicas (im talking F355 and F360 in particular here) are gunning directly to ape a specific modern production car (not a 'loose' genre from 30+ years ago - hence my point about cobras and sevens), even down to copying the finer details. colour, h-gate, grilles, cam covers, wheel design.. the lot. Sadly most then carry actual ferrari badging that turns them into the automotive equivalent of a fake Rolex.

Who are these cars trying to deceive? The owner or the public?

[Davi]

yourallnobs said:

i have just completed building one of these and have to say its great, you can all call the car but alot of time and skill goes into making this car and lets be honest here, whats a kit car, i read through here and everyone raves lambo replicas are great and in the next sentanse say replicas are pants,

I think you will find there are two very different camps, one lot that say they are pants, one lot that say they aren't (Myself being in the later catagory)

yourallnobs said:

im confussed, lotus 7, ac cobra, westfield, Someone designed and built these cars and then someone relicated them. So whats the deal with the ferrari 360, You dont like 4 seats, get a socket seat, take the 4 bolts out of the back seats and ram the rear seats up you rear end, what else, it dont look right,. ERH the panels were moulded of a real 360 and the 406 was altered to suit the kit,

knowing an owner of a 360 (amongst other fezza's) I'm rather surprised by this. I know very well that many kits are moulded off originals (see any post where someone comments on poor quality copying) but the pug kit frankly looks very different. It doesn't sit right in my eye, but now you have said that I will re-assess to be sure.

yourallnobs said:

not the other way round, so i dont actually see how this is possible, It rides to high, do you resurch, adjustable suspension means you can adjust it, engine in the front, well your all experts here so im sure one of you can knock some 3x2 together, glue a yamaha engine in wack a chain around the rear axcel,

sorry, doesn't sit right with me this one, nearly all the lambo reps I've seen have a substantial powerplant in the right place, not an old pug engine at the wrong end of the car. It's my opinion, and I'm entitled to it thanks

yourallnobs said:

the kit costs 6000k, = about 1000 on other bits, lights etc, the donors can be had for 500quid damadged, you want a shiney one when your stripping it, wheels cost me 900, and probably spent another 1500 on other bits like leather bucket seats, dash leather, badges etc. to me that adds to nearly 10k, so wheres 25K,

my advice, go and f-c* yourself

You see that last sentance really screws your argument, because you just look like someone annoyed that not everyone see's your car as something to be cherished. If you are going to own a replica you need to grow some thicker skin.

[eliot]

The thing that made me fall about laughing was a ferrari rep based on some lesser car (which i forget) - that had drum brakes at the rear with fake brake disks attached behind the wheel (with no caliper i might add) and the about 10 foot of wheel spacer. If you are going to copy/duplicate/emulate a car - at least do a decent job of it and make sure the running gear emulates/copies the original as close as possible.

[yourallnobs]

WOW, A MIXED REACTION THERE
iTS NICE THAT SOME OF YOU LIKE THE IDEA OF A 360 RELICA, SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANYONE IN THE EARLIER POST, I READ THROUGH THE THREAD AND WAS CONFUSSED AND ANNOYED WITH THE LACK OF KNOLEDGE SOME PEOPLE HAD OF KIT CARS, i MEAN NO OFFENCE TO WHOEVER POSTED THA LAST POST BUT IF I WAS YOU I WOULD STOP LAUGHING A WALK IN A CORNER, THE 406 COUPE 3.0LTR COMES EQUIPED WITH BREMBO CALIPERS AND DISKS FRONT AND REAR, ALSO THE SPACER CAN BE MACHINED TO FIT DIRECTLY ONTO THE DRIVE SHAFT/REAR ARM, MEANING THE DISK CAN BE MOUNTED IN THE CORRECT PLACE. oK A BRACKET NEEDS TO BE MADE BUT ITS A KIT CAR, tHATS WHAT YOU DO WITH KIT CARS, IF IT WAS EASY EVERYONE WOULD HAVE ONE. mY FRIEND HAS A 360 SPYIDER AND PARKED NEXT TO MINE HE NEARLY STARTED CRYING, HE IS 90000 OUT OF POCKET AND THE CARS LOOK THE SAME (EXCEPT THE FACT HIS IS A CAB). I SUPPOSE THE EXTREME 360 IS A MOULD, A START, WHAT YOU DO WITH IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE, IM CONTIMPLATING BUYING ANOTHER, BUYING A SPACE FRAME CHASIS FROM AUTOCONCEPT, HE WILL DESIGN AND BUILD FOR AROUND 3000£, WACK A FERRARI ENGINE IN, £8000, AND WITH ALL THE RUNING GEAR ETC I COULD HAVE A FERRARI 360 COMPLETE ENGINEE ETC FOR AROUND 25ISH, THATS NOT BAD HEY, bUT DOESNT THAT DEFEAT THE OBJECT. I HAVE TRANSFORMED A KIT FOR THE EVERYDAY CAR TO AN EXPENSIVE, SUNDAY CAR??

jUST TO CLARIFY IM MORE THAN HAPPY WITH MY CAR, I DONT DRIVE AROUND SMUG FACED, IM USUALLY IN MY SCRUFFY CLOTHES, AND I DONT TREAT THE CAR AS ANYTHING BUT A REPLICA, YOU WILL FIND PEOPLE TAKE ALOT MORE INTEREST WHEN THEY SAY NICE FERRARI, AND YOU SAY ITS A REPLICA, I BUILT IT MYSELF. INSTEAD OF THEM THINKING NICE CAR, SMUG SNOB, THEY THINK NICE CAR, WOW THATS REALLY AND ACHIEVEMENT.

[GTRene]

pictures???

[fuoriserie]

GTRene said:

pictures???

There you go..

http://s80.photobucket.com/albums/j18

and builder of the bodykit

www.extreme-sportscars.com/360/converter.htm

Edited by fuoriserie on Wednesday 20th December 10:03