Extreme Cars Ferrari 360 Replica / Peugeot 406 donor

[chris71]

I have to be honest I can't see the point in replicas unless they have the feel (and are indistinguishable from) the original.

The one that really puzzles me is 4 cylinder cobra replicas. Atleast this can have half a V12 in it!

At the end of the day, why not have something which provides a bit of originality rather than a poor imitation (in this case) of the original? For example I'm currently looking into a Veranti, but wouldn't touch one of those rebodied MR2 'ferraris' with a barge pole. It still brings back memories of seeing a top gear episode a while back where they looked at kits and seeing a bloke with a brummie accent and a baseball cap going "it just makes you feel like somebody when you drive down the street and you can see people mouthing fer-rar-i and they come up to you at petrol stations saying 'nice ferrari' or 'I like your ferrari mate'"

....says it all really

[GTRene]

fuoriserie said:

GTRene said:

pictures???

There you go..

http://s80.photobucket.com/albums/j18

that GTO is nice also the other kit looks realy good
To be honest I prefer the older Replica models like the GT40 mk1/2 and the GTO and the Miura cars like that and then a new chassis ofcorse, so a real replica but with updated chassis(stronger) and updated suspension and ofcorse engine love that stuf also because the real cars are to rare(read expensive) and to fragile.
thanks
GTRene

[Ilikethem.com]

Where can i buy one ???

Love the idea of owning a Ferrari360 but not sure where i'd get the £60'000 to buy one or the money to insure,survice or run one at only 12 mpg so the replica looks great and if i can find a proffessional to build me one i'd be more than proud to have a replica/kit car call it what you might.
From what i've seen think they look fantastic but not seen the Rep in the flesh yet.

Pete

[Flat_Steve]

Ilikethem.com said:

Where can i buy one ???

Love the idea of owning a Ferrari360 but not sure where i'd get the £60'000 to buy one or the money to insure,survice or run one at only 12 mpg so the replica looks great and if i can find a proffessional to build me one i'd be more than proud to have a replica/kit car call it what you might.
From what i've seen think they look fantastic but not seen the Rep in the flesh yet.

Pete

You've got two choices - a Peugeot 406 Coupe-based 360:



http://www.extreme-sportscars.com/360/home_360.htm



...Or go to DNA for a Mk3 Toyota MR2-based spyder:



http://dnaautomotive.com/home.html


Either will have to be built by yourself as factory turn-keys from both are in the mid-to-late twenty K price wise - an outlay that'll put you into the seat of a very real, and very nice 348 spyder like this:



http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/140207.htm

[sunnydelight]

Get the real one dude, it will be fun until someone bursts your bubble and tell everyone its a fake, then you will have to sell it!

[Chris71]

Get the real one! Infact even the 308 GT/4 and Mondial for £15k are probably better than an MR2 in drag.

[paul 360]

Hi guys Im paul, I have just completed my second EXTREME 360 replica, what negative crap there is on this site, trust me I built the first 360 as in the pictures on extremes site, I built it without a build Dvd, as there wasnt one made then, I am an ex royal marine, I had no previous experience at all and the pictures speak louder than words, the car drove and sounded great, my second car is a challenge stradale, see kitcar.ca, 360 modena link for some pics, this car was even easier as it was the second build, now I have the EXTREME bug and Im about to do another EXTREME first, the people with the problems are talking crap really, extreme are more than helpfull read the kitcar.ca threads, the kits fit perfectly come view my car, see the gaps etc(PERFECT) no craks creaks drives better than the donor, come drive it, sounds unbelieveable really, its just the dogs boocks and worth the 120 hours build, and the £14k costs, call extreme or visit them dont listen to crap thats said, make your own opinions based on facts not bullshit, you wont regret it, EXTREME THERE IS NO SUSTITUTE, thats thier logo and its bang on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CaptainCrunch]

Paul, This is your Challenge stradale right? I was following your posts on kitcar.ca and I have to say your car looks awesome, I will post the pics here so people dont have to go hunting for them:














After I finish my current project(Streethawk)I will definately be considering an Extreme kit. Thanks to your car mainly

[Jonty99]

That looks awesome! Hope its going to be at Donnington. Still think its a bit pricey though to say you're left with a 406 coupe underneath. Pity, or I would do one myself.

Doesn't the chassis have to be rejigged though? Stuff like that sounds a bit scary?

[paul 360]

Its a peugeot, yes But when its finished it drives better than the donor, the engine is used in many cars, not just in french cars, its a great unit, economical, torquey,sounds great etc, suspension settings are easy and very basic, the kits are easy if you have some skill level, find a real challenge car like that for less than £110k, so what its a replica? but would you really know if I had cruised past you????? I think not!!! but maybe now, you may think is it a real one? so in the end whats the difference? to most people they simply would never know, you would have to be a real Ferrari Anorack to know the difference, dont say the engine, as when its moving who can tell, no one...when its still the engines quiet, and the replica engine bay looks identical in the back, the interior is convincing also, ful leather, racing seats,full harness, carbon fibre bits H gate, dials + more, the exterior is identical to the eye, Fact!! maybe I am biased I built it, but show me a better 360 replica anywhere, or show me somthing that make people double take as much as they do for the same price or less, only the Blue Raptor Quad in the background can compete. so far, wait till you see the next three cars Im doing

[Jonty99]

I have no argument that it could quite easily fool anyone to it being a 360 stradale, its just that Im more a driver, so I'd want rear wheel drive so I could hand the back end out, and for it to rev to 8,500rpm. Other than that, its bang on!

[spants]

paul360

I have just noticed that you are also the email contact for extreme cars.... no wonder you can build 3 of them :-)

Tony

[Transmitter Man]

Paul,

Any chance of an Enzo?

Phil
79 De Tomaso Longchamp GTS

[Silent1]

paul 360 said:

...so what its a replica? but would you really know if I had cruised past you????? I think not!!! ...

boocks with a capital bullshit, very good it's a 'replica' but it really doesn't have the characteristic engine note or performance does it? Please don't kid yourself thinking you have a ferrari, yes it looks nice but no it won't replace one.

As for the cost aspect, fair enough yours is cheaper but again it's not quite all that is it, it's more like 70% of everything the ferrari is

[madazrx7]

I've said it before, the people who produce these kits make some fantastic looking cars, but WHY make them a copy of something they aren't? I would be interested in rebodying a Fiero or MR2 with a sexy looking body, but I would retain the Pontiac/Toyota badges and would NOT want it to look like a copy of a Ferrari.
As for the people who go all the way and actually badge them as Ferraris, well IMO that is very sad, and I believe they should be charged with fraud or sued by Ferrari.

[Jonty99]

Well thats what Ferrari tend to do, and I dont blame them. Its like counterfitting. I love the Ferrari F355 (the real one), but if I had enough money to buy one, Im not overly sure I would now, because people may think it was a replica. And replicas are bound to bring prices down.

I agree with the rebodying, and keeping badges, or changing them to the Kit-Car manufacturers. Thats why I bought a Veranti, all the kit car benefits like cheaper insurance, better looks, longer lasting fiberglass body, but had it been a replic of something, I would feel a bit like a cheat. And for the price of most replicas, you could buy yourself a sh1t-hot TVR.

[Davi]

madazrx7 said:

I've said it before, the people who produce these kits make some fantastic looking cars, but WHY make them a copy of something they aren't?

probably because there is a (relatively) large and more importantly safe market, catering for all those who've had pictures of Ferrari's on their bedroom wall since aged 6, but who either can't, or simply wont, spend the money on a real one. Most don't care what anyone thinks about them creating a replica, they get the styling they hanker for with the running costs of a small family hatch and the manufacturers certainly don't if the product sells.

Compared to the unknown quantity that is a self styled kit car, which may or may not be well received, and may not ever sell a single shell, they are the safer business bet.

There is a good reason why cobra's and 7's have the biggest owners clubs at the kit shows!

[madazrx7]

Davi said:

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There is a good reason why cobra's and 7's have the biggest owners clubs at the kit shows!

Ah but I don't have the same issue with Cobra and 7 clones, in most cases they are just about as good as (if not better than) the original. They follow the same design with similar mechanicals and performance.
What I WOULD find unacceptable (and ridiculous) would be a cobra shaped body stuck onto a FWD 4cylinder chassis and mechanicals (especially if it had AC or Cobra badges)

[Davi]

madazrx7 said:

Davi said:

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There is a good reason why cobra's and 7's have the biggest owners clubs at the kit shows!

Ah but I don't have the same issue with Cobra and 7 clones, in most cases they are just about as good as (if not better than) the original. They follow the same design with similar mechanicals and performance.
What I WOULD find unacceptable (and ridiculous) would be a cobra shaped body stuck onto a FWD 4cylinder chassis and mechanicals (especially if it had AC or Cobra badges)

There are many cobra's out there with a chassis made of spaghetti sporting a 4 pot from a 25 year old ford family car... just as there are many 7's of similar quality.

Point is, you asked why they produced replica's instead of self styled. It's utterly irrelevant what you find acceptable, there are vastly more people who don't have the issues that you have that are prepared to pay the money for a look alike Ferrari, than there are that would buy a self styled kit, and these kit people are in business to make money (well, what they hope for anyway!).

Path of least resistance and all that.

[madazrx7]

Davi said:

There are many cobra's out there with a chassis made of spaghetti sporting a 4 pot from a 25 year old ford family car... just as there are many 7's of similar quality.

Point is, you asked why they produced replica's instead of self styled. It's utterly irrelevant what you find acceptable, there are vastly more people who don't have the issues that you have that are prepared to pay the money for a look alike Ferrari, than there are that would buy a self styled kit, and these kit people are in business to make money (well, what they hope for anyway!).

Path of least resistance and all that.

Yeah I thought you might point at those as I was typing. A poorly designed car of any type is rubbish, but for a different reason. Yes I laugh at pinto cobras, and without naming names we know which 7s to avoid.

I also agree that it's hard to fault a business which meets a demand, I just hope those businesses don't actually supply the F badges etc.

Just because there is a demand for something, doesn't automatically give the product credibilty. I believe Big Brother is quite popular, doesn't mean it's any good.

I don't (honestly) want to offend anyone, (look at my car history and laugh ) but I stand by my opinion of the Ferrari fakers, hats off, some of them a fantastic looking cars (see the pics above) but FFS they ARE NOT Ferraris. I still say that Ferrari spA SHOULD take action to enforce removal of the badges at least, even if the design itself can't be protected.

I followed with great interest on the web the construction of a Diablo "replica", the end product was stunning but I still would not put Lamborghini badges on it if I built one.