Bought a kit-car - still registered as donor?
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I have no previous MOTs or Tax discs - unfortunatley.
The v5 is in the post (had to get a new one as prev owner had lost it) - Only reason that I found it was still a granada was I checked on the DVLA website the vehicle check thing.
Looks like I'll be getting a Q plate then. What does the do to the value of the vehicle?
I've been reading the SVA notes, and I'm not that worried.. yet.
The v5 is in the post (had to get a new one as prev owner had lost it) - Only reason that I found it was still a granada was I checked on the DVLA website the vehicle check thing.
Looks like I'll be getting a Q plate then. What does the do to the value of the vehicle?
I've been reading the SVA notes, and I'm not that worried.. yet.
V8 GRF said:
I appreciate what you're saying but the fact that it was still described on the V5 as a Ford Escort proves my point that in Pre SVA times that was the way things happened.
I venture to suggest that in that case the MOT tester was incorrect in requiring an SVA.
Even pre-SVA, it should have been registered with the car's correct details on the V5. To get it changed now will most likely mean putting it through an SVA test.I venture to suggest that in that case the MOT tester was incorrect in requiring an SVA.
Altrezia said:
I have no previous MOTs or Tax discs - unfortunatley.
The v5 is in the post (had to get a new one as prev owner had lost it) - Only reason that I found it was still a granada was I checked on the DVLA website the vehicle check thing.
Looks like I'll be getting a Q plate then. What does the do to the value of the vehicle?
I've been reading the SVA notes, and I'm not that worried.. yet.
When was the Cobra built and registered?The v5 is in the post (had to get a new one as prev owner had lost it) - Only reason that I found it was still a granada was I checked on the DVLA website the vehicle check thing.
Looks like I'll be getting a Q plate then. What does the do to the value of the vehicle?
I've been reading the SVA notes, and I'm not that worried.. yet.
If the car has a V5 issed it will have a period number issued to it and that will still be vaild. If you try to re-register without asking advice from someone who REALLY knows then you WILL definitely have to get an SVA and as everyone has been saying you may have some problems with that due to its age.
I'd ignore all of the opinions on here anyway and go in person to your local DVLA office and explain the situation. I'd trust their opinion more than any MOT tester or anyone on here (including me)
AdamW said:
V8 GRF said:
I appreciate what you're saying but the fact that it was still described on the V5 as a Ford Escort proves my point that in Pre SVA times that was the way things happened.
I venture to suggest that in that case the MOT tester was incorrect in requiring an SVA.
Even pre-SVA, it should have been registered with the car's correct details on the V5. To get it changed now will most likely mean putting it through an SVA test.I venture to suggest that in that case the MOT tester was incorrect in requiring an SVA.
V8 GRF said:
When was the Cobra built and registered?
If the car has a V5 issed it will have a period number issued to it and that will still be vaild. If you try to re-register without asking advice from someone who REALLY knows then you WILL definitely have to get an SVA and as everyone has been saying you may have some problems with that due to its age.
I'd ignore all of the opinions on here anyway and go in person to your local DVLA office and explain the situation. I'd trust their opinion more than any MOT tester or anyone on here (including me)
It was built in the mid 80's. The kit was only available from 84-86. The car was used for several years, until the mid 90's, when I think the last MOT was. If the car has a V5 issed it will have a period number issued to it and that will still be vaild. If you try to re-register without asking advice from someone who REALLY knows then you WILL definitely have to get an SVA and as everyone has been saying you may have some problems with that due to its age.
I'd ignore all of the opinions on here anyway and go in person to your local DVLA office and explain the situation. I'd trust their opinion more than any MOT tester or anyone on here (including me)
I think thats probably the best thing to do. I will let you guys know what they say.
james111s said:
Any competent MOT tester will refer the car for an SVA at MOT time.
The car is not legal i'm afraid it's that simple. The insurance isn't valid and neither is the tax.
Any competent MOT tester should test the car as presented, not what's written on the V5.The car is not legal i'm afraid it's that simple. The insurance isn't valid and neither is the tax.
All the rest of what you post is not of any concern to an MOT tester, only if the vehicle is roadworthy or not.
Altrezia said:
V8 GRF said:
I'd ignore all of the opinions on here anyway and go in person to your local DVLA office and explain the situation. I'd trust their opinion more than any MOT tester or anyone on here (including me)
I think thats probably the best thing to do. I will let you guys know what they say. I had some issues a few years back and got fobbed off on the phone but it was sorted it to my satisfaction when I went in to see them. The person who I initially spoke to couldn't answer my questions but they had to go and ask someone who did when I was sitting in front of them. That said they are very helpful.
falcemob said:
james111s said:
Any competent MOT tester will refer the car for an SVA at MOT time.
The car is not legal i'm afraid it's that simple. The insurance isn't valid and neither is the tax.
Any competent MOT tester should test the car as presented, not what's written on the V5.The car is not legal i'm afraid it's that simple. The insurance isn't valid and neither is the tax.
All the rest of what you post is not of any concern to an MOT tester, only if the vehicle is roadworthy or not.
CorrectWhen I recently presented my TVR Griffith to the MOT tester, he entered the chassis number details off the car into the DVLA computer and my car did not come up in any records. He didn't send me away saying my car was illegal as it didn't match the V5 or the DVLA computer. He created a new entry, tested the car and I was given my MOT.
It transpired that my car had been registered with the wrong chassis number and the DVLA issed a new V5 to that fact no problem.
V8 GRF said:
falcemob said:
james111s said:
Any competent MOT tester will refer the car for an SVA at MOT time.
The car is not legal i'm afraid it's that simple. The insurance isn't valid and neither is the tax.
Any competent MOT tester should test the car as presented, not what's written on the V5.The car is not legal i'm afraid it's that simple. The insurance isn't valid and neither is the tax.
All the rest of what you post is not of any concern to an MOT tester, only if the vehicle is roadworthy or not.
CorrectWhen I recently presented my TVR Griffith to the MOT tester, he entered the chassis number details off the car into the DVLA computer and my car did not come up in any records. He didn't send me away saying my car was illegal as it didn't match the V5 or the DVLA computer. He created a new entry, tested the car and I was given my MOT.
It transpired that my car had been registered with the wrong chassis number and the DVLA issed a new V5 to that fact no problem.
Interesting about the MOT - but surely its a bit different having the wrong chassis number compared to having the wrong chassis? heh.
I mean, the car DOES have a V5, and I have the chassis plates from the donor sat on the desk next to me - but if I do manage to get an MOT, and get pulled by the police, wont they do something nasty and try and take the car to be crushed or something mad like that?
I mean, the car DOES have a V5, and I have the chassis plates from the donor sat on the desk next to me - but if I do manage to get an MOT, and get pulled by the police, wont they do something nasty and try and take the car to be crushed or something mad like that?
Adam W has hit the nail on the head.
V8 GRF - the car has not been issued with a V5 that is the point.
Pre SVA the procedure for registering involved sending the logbook back to the DVLA who would issue one with the correct info - in this case BRA Cobra.
This appear to not have happened.
The car is therefore incorrectly registered. If you try and correctly re-register it with the DVLA they, by law, require an SVA test as it is no longer a granada. It should also not be issued an MOT by the tester as it is not a Granada. Now i'm not saying this doesn't happen, but it is still illegal.
Driving an incorrectly registered car is an offence. Your insurance company are more than likely to refuse to cover any claim once you produce the V5, and the police will have the same view.
Until the logbook states BRA Cobra, the car should not be on the road. To get this done, now requires an SVA. The DVLA, in the case of zilspeed saw sense and modified the V5, hopefully the Original Poster may manage the same. In the eyes of the law however, it needs an SVA.
V8 GRF - the car has not been issued with a V5 that is the point.
Pre SVA the procedure for registering involved sending the logbook back to the DVLA who would issue one with the correct info - in this case BRA Cobra.
This appear to not have happened.
The car is therefore incorrectly registered. If you try and correctly re-register it with the DVLA they, by law, require an SVA test as it is no longer a granada. It should also not be issued an MOT by the tester as it is not a Granada. Now i'm not saying this doesn't happen, but it is still illegal.
Driving an incorrectly registered car is an offence. Your insurance company are more than likely to refuse to cover any claim once you produce the V5, and the police will have the same view.
Until the logbook states BRA Cobra, the car should not be on the road. To get this done, now requires an SVA. The DVLA, in the case of zilspeed saw sense and modified the V5, hopefully the Original Poster may manage the same. In the eyes of the law however, it needs an SVA.
Edited by james111s on Thursday 6th December 15:53
V8 GRF said:
AdamW said:
V8 GRF said:
I appreciate what you're saying but the fact that it was still described on the V5 as a Ford Escort proves my point that in Pre SVA times that was the way things happened.
I venture to suggest that in that case the MOT tester was incorrect in requiring an SVA.
Even pre-SVA, it should have been registered with the car's correct details on the V5. To get it changed now will most likely mean putting it through an SVA test.I venture to suggest that in that case the MOT tester was incorrect in requiring an SVA.
Alex has said the car does have a V5. So is that V5 issued to the Granada or was it issued when the Cobra was built?
If the V5 has never been altered then how was it taxed in the past? If it has then it must have complied with the rules at the time of registration and that's the important factor?
The need for an SVA on a car with an issued registration is not retrospective so if the DVLA accepts the V5 Alex has in his possession as being for his Cobra then he's OK.
like I said take the V5 and your story to the DVLA office and then you'll have your definitive answer.
If the V5 has never been altered then how was it taxed in the past? If it has then it must have complied with the rules at the time of registration and that's the important factor?
The need for an SVA on a car with an issued registration is not retrospective so if the DVLA accepts the V5 Alex has in his possession as being for his Cobra then he's OK.
like I said take the V5 and your story to the DVLA office and then you'll have your definitive answer.
AdamW said:
It would be a slightly different story with a Nova as it retains the donor floorpan, therefore being a conversion rather than a kit car. As an example, my dad's Tiger was registered in 1992 way before SVA came into force, but the V5 describes it as a Tiger Super Six (despite the fact it retained the Cortina registration).
Yea I'd agree with you about the Nova but I'm sure that I remember something about the name change on the V5 only occurring if you used a large percentage of new parts. I'm talking about pre Q plate legislation as well and the concern in those days was whether you had to retain the doner's plate or if you'd used enough new bits to get a new V5 and a current plate. We never had it so good, if only we knew what was round the corner Edited by V8 GRF on Thursday 6th December 16:39
To comply with registration laws it now HAS to be accurately described on the V5. If an ANPR camera tells the cops following you that what looks like a BRA 289 is a Granada, they are gonna tug you.
The thing is....
We had a big amnesty period when this stuff was all sorted out prior to the SVA test coming in.
In my opinion (for what it's worth) the guy who sold it was too lazy to sort it out at the time and has passed the problem on now it's (theoretically) too late.
Throw yourself on the mercy of the DVLA and VOSA.
The thing is....
We had a big amnesty period when this stuff was all sorted out prior to the SVA test coming in.
In my opinion (for what it's worth) the guy who sold it was too lazy to sort it out at the time and has passed the problem on now it's (theoretically) too late.
Throw yourself on the mercy of the DVLA and VOSA.
Ferg said:
Throw yourself on the mercy of the DVLA and VOSA.
Looks like that's the option and I think it depends on their mood, that said they've always been reasonable with mePerhaps some photos from the previous owner might help with the proof that it's been on the road
Edited to add
I know I put a smiley by that comment but the more I think about if if you could get pictures that showed it had been taxed previously and been on the road they may look favourably in changing the description on the V5.
Edited by V8 GRF on Thursday 6th December 17:42
I assume the price you paid reflected this paperwork issue ? (Don't want or need to know what you paid btw)
I would agree with the general consensus, it says Granada on log book, its not a Granada I'm afraid, MOT times are getting tighter these days to, I for one would feel uncomfortable driving it and/or taking it for an MOT.
I would agree with the general consensus, it says Granada on log book, its not a Granada I'm afraid, MOT times are getting tighter these days to, I for one would feel uncomfortable driving it and/or taking it for an MOT.
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