Three wheeler Cabin Scooter Design

[Steffan]

fuoriserie said:

Steffan said:

fuoriserie said:

Steffan said:

fuoriserie said:

Resurecting this thread....

The new Toyota I-Road Tilting Threewheeler:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...

Good post and I trust you are well. I am still immersed with too many vehicles and insufficient time and energy to finish most of them. However I am determined to get another three wheeler Berkeley on the road and negotiating currently. Just bought an MGF which will be OTR by late April and with a heavily reworked high output K series fully rebuilt engine in the rear it should keep my summer motoring in the breeze going I hope!

These tilting three wheeler's raise a lot of questions IMO and offer few answers. I am convinced that a layout of a three wheeler like the Berkeley fitted out with modern mechanics (NOT the A series!! fat too heavy) such as a high output motorcycle engine would still more than hold its own against any other modern three wheeler. But no doubt some will say that I an biased towards Berkeleys. I am I love them!

Anyway I do appreciate the post and look forward to the replies.

Nice to see you back Steffan and hope things are well with you.

Tilting cabin threewheelers will become an interesting vehicle in future Urban environments...maybe, but just for fun and inexpensive motoring, nothing beats your Berkeley T60.

Maybe in todays roads, a modern 3cylinder car engine, something like a Toyota Yaris or Daewoo Matiz engine, might make for a perfect donor update for such a classic.

Just an idea...

Edited by fuoriserie on Friday 8th March 15:19

I
. Anything we can do in the economically challenged UK to achieve that will get my vote! What are you planning Fuoriserie we need to know!

Well, I've been working on a few lowcost designs for quite awhile and a few will be coming to fruition soon, but can't say more at the moment.... you have a PM.

I would be VERY interested to see your ideas but no PM as yet I look forward to one!!

[qdos]

Stuart Mills said:

I would agree Qdos, rear steer can be sensitive. Toyota seem to have solved the issue however
see here;
http://cnettv.cnet.com/toyota-i-road-concept/9742-...

Thanks for the link Stuart that really does show it well. Computers eh, I suppose that's one way to get over my bump steer problem but too expensive for me and I like good old fashioned mechanicals any way

[Steffan]

qdos said:

Stuart Mills said:

I would agree Qdos, rear steer can be sensitive. Toyota seem to have solved the issue however
see here;
http://cnettv.cnet.com/toyota-i-road-concept/9742-...

Thanks for the link Stuart that really does show it well. Computers eh, I suppose that's one way to get over my bump steer problem but too expensive for me and I like good old fashioned mechanicals any way

Morning qdos nice to see you are up bright and early. I am definitely in favour of old fashioned mechanical s unsurprisingly having started on Villiers engines of which 4,000,000 a YEAR made in Wolverhampton in the 1950', those were the days), and being something of an antique personally.

No drive by wire for me ever and no rear wheel steer, With modern drivers used to the inherent understeer of FWD these could be deadly IMO. I do admire the energy of youngsters like you and Stuart Mills, I wish I still had that energy but at least I am still being a nuisance generally which is my rile in life.

[Life Saab Itch]

rear steer is inherently unstable at anything over 15 mph. Rear wheel assist, in conjunction with front wheel steering can be useful, but only on a very stable platform.

[Life Saab Itch]

rear steer is inherently unstable at anything over 15 mph. Rear wheel assist, in conjunction with front wheel steering can be useful, but only on a very stable platform.

[Stuart Mills]

Life Saab Itch said:

rear steer is inherently unstable at anything over 15 mph. Rear wheel assist, in conjunction with front wheel steering can be useful, but only on a very stable platform.

I agree but it may be that the I road works due to a complex processor program that combines tilt/rear steer.

[Stuart Mills]

Steffan said:

I do admire the energy of youngsters like you and Stuart Mills, I wish I still had that energy but at least I am still being a nuisance generally which is my rile in life.

Wow Steffan it's a long time since I was referred to as a youngster, I am so grateful to you!

[Steffan]

Stuart Mills said:

Steffan said:

I do admire the energy of youngsters like you and Stuart Mills, I wish I still had that energy but at least I am still being a nuisance generally which is my rile in life.

Wow Steffan it's a long time since I was referred to as a youngster, I am so grateful to you!

Well I am glad that cheered you up Mr Mills but my remark was made in relation more to my great age and your relative youth to that age, than absolutely true youthfullness on your part....... I genuinely admire your huge energy expended in your business with ideas and new Kit Car designs and finished new Kit Cars coming out of MEV like fireworks on bonfire night and glorious they are too. What is more they continue to pour out in profusion and in a constant flow of creativity. MEV is producing more distinctly different and interesting Kit Car designs than any other manufacturers that I know and as you know I know an awful lot of Kit Car manufacturers in the UK.

I should imagine that in common with most real achievers and ideas men in business, which you are, you have a downside as a consequence. I am not entirely perfect either. As my many exwives know only too well, to their cost. Nor am I easy to live with!!! But I am a happy chap if utterly selfish, compulsively obsessive, arrogant, pompous. supercilious etc (Quoted from my ex wives diatribes!). I look forward to seeing all the new designs and fizzing ideas from MEV at the Kit Car shows this year which I will be attending in a variety of my own stable of Kit Cars! Keep it up Stuart!

[Life Saab Itch]

Stuart Mills said:

I agree but it may be that the I road works due to a complex processor program that combines tilt/rear steer.

Tilt could be the only saving grace there. Even the most sophisticated computers wouldn't be able to stop a slide as they can't be steered out of with RWS. There is no opposite lock function as if you do that, you are purposely putting the tyre at an even more exaggerated slip angle.


This can be demonstrated with a forklift truck at <15mph, let alone on the road in a car that can do double that speed.

[fuoriserie]

Steffan said:

fuoriserie said:

Steffan said:

fuoriserie said:

Steffan said:

fuoriserie said:

Resurecting this thread....

The new Toyota I-Road Tilting Threewheeler:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...

Good post and I trust you are well. I am still immersed with too many vehicles and insufficient time and energy to finish most of them. However I am determined to get another three wheeler Berkeley on the road and negotiating currently. Just bought an MGF which will be OTR by late April and with a heavily reworked high output K series fully rebuilt engine in the rear it should keep my summer motoring in the breeze going I hope!

These tilting three wheeler's raise a lot of questions IMO and offer few answers. I am convinced that a layout of a three wheeler like the Berkeley fitted out with modern mechanics (NOT the A series!! fat too heavy) such as a high output motorcycle engine would still more than hold its own against any other modern three wheeler. But no doubt some will say that I an biased towards Berkeleys. I am I love them!

Anyway I do appreciate the post and look forward to the replies.

Nice to see you back Steffan and hope things are well with you.

Tilting cabin threewheelers will become an interesting vehicle in future Urban environments...maybe, but just for fun and inexpensive motoring, nothing beats your Berkeley T60.

Maybe in todays roads, a modern 3cylinder car engine, something like a Toyota Yaris or Daewoo Matiz engine, might make for a perfect donor update for such a classic.

Just an idea...

Edited by fuoriserie on Friday 8th March 15:19

I
. Anything we can do in the economically challenged UK to achieve that will get my vote! What are you planning Fuoriserie we need to know!

Well, I've been working on a few lowcost designs for quite awhile and a few will be coming to fruition soon, but can't say more at the moment.... you have a PM.

I would be VERY interested to see your ideas but no PM as yet I look forward to one!!

You have a PM....

[fuoriserie]

Resurecting this thread for something unique in design:

A Piaggio MP3 rebody

http://www.randygrubb.com/decopod-tri-pod/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo_zXe2UWKw

[Steffan]

fuoriserie said:

Resurecting this thread for something unique in design:

A Piaggio MP3 rebody

http://www.randygrubb.com/decopod-tri-pod/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo_zXe2UWKw

I can only admire the results but I suspect costs are not low. Interesting to an admirer of three wheeler's like me and quite beautiful cars in themselves. I thank you fuoriserie.

[fuoriserie]

Steffan said:

fuoriserie said:

Resurecting this thread for something unique in design:

A Piaggio MP3 rebody

http://www.randygrubb.com/decopod-tri-pod/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo_zXe2UWKw

I can only admire the results but I suspect costs are not low. Interesting to an admirer of three wheeler's like me and quite beautiful cars in themselves. I thank you fuoriserie.

I agree with you....

[fuoriserie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshi...

The Peel Trident back in limited production.

[Corpulent Tosser]

fuoriserie said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshi...

The Peel Trident back in limited production.

20K each !!!!!!!!

[Steffan]

Corpulent Tosser said:

fuoriserie said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshi...

The Peel Trident back in limited production.

20K each !!!!!!!!

Nice work if you can get it. A decent Golf is not a lot more. Likely to be uuch better more reliable longer lasting value. This is pure indulgence at those prices. To be successful in any volume such a car would need to be priced at a maximum of £6500 OTR IMO. Then a purely fun car or M/C alternative might work. How anyone can seriously contemplate spending that much money on such a reappraisal of a failed car does make me wonder whether this will actually happen. More money than sense if it does. I drove a Peel years ago on the I of M. I do not wish to repeat the experience.

[Martin A]

Five years and one month now!

Is there really any interest in a cabin scooter, like a three wheeled version of the Lit C-1 with a maximum width/track of < 1 metre, or is just like thinking having a Batmobile would be kind of groovy, knowing that it isn't ever going to happen?

Edited by Martin A on Sunday 2nd March 22:34

[fuoriserie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAFvlbML9Ys#t=106

A little tippy but I do like the small size of the Peel 50.

The best video was this one and still very funny,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJfSS0ZXYdo

Edited by fuoriserie on Wednesday 19th March 11:24

[fuoriserie]

A new two seater scooter based three wheeler :
http://www.scooter.co.jp/1it-2014.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL4fFMkDTZA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqppnxLz3Vg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q24b7ettAJQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByOqg1KoKQQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9tFfFeujRM

[ceebmoj]

I think there where some on ebay a bit back. It looked like a business that had gone bump importing them.

link to long dead auction and a discussion on LCB

Edited by ceebmoj on Tuesday 22 July 21:59