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Wacky Racer

38,170 posts

248 months

Thursday 27th November 2003
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kitcarman said:

I don’t believe you’re going to get a brochure and I notice that BigRon decided not to answer that point. Oh dear, I’ve attacked BigRon now.



Careful Den!!

Big Ron's bigger than you..

chief-0369

1,195 posts

253 months

Thursday 27th November 2003
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Ex-Biker said:

Has anyone built a diesel kit? Not just an off roader either.




Toe-rag V10 diesel anyone?

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 27th November 2003
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chief-0369 said:


Ex-Biker said:

Has anyone built a diesel kit? Not just an off roader either.






Toe-rag V10 diesel anyone?



In a 7?

I know, I know, it'd be too heavy up front, I just meant something light. So how about in a mid engined lightweight something or other? Mojo, Libra, Ultima?

>> Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 27th November 14:37

chief-0369

1,195 posts

253 months

Thursday 27th November 2003
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weight smeight,

with that much torque, who cares


seriously though, how tunable are modern diesels? i remember seeing someting on top gear a couple of years back with a diesel rally car, tiff needle had a go IIRC

>> Edited by chief-0369 on Thursday 27th November 14:41

liszt

4,329 posts

271 months

Thursday 27th November 2003
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Aren't Lotus or GM working on a diesel sports car

Ex-Biker

1,315 posts

248 months

Thursday 27th November 2003
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Well VAG group do a 180bhp V6, imagine that in a Cobra!
Don't know the torque figures, but I recon it'll trounce most (if not all) V8 petrol torque figures.

Or for the lightweight car there's always the 1.9l 4 cyclinder with the ability to kick out 150bhp.

Diesels start looking kind of attractive now, don't they.

chief-0369

1,195 posts

253 months

Thursday 27th November 2003
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arnt oil burners a bit heavy though, IIRC they all use cast iron blocks due to the high compression ratio.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 27th November 2003
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Well, Audi have talked about using diesel power in their next Le Mans car.
There's a VW Golf GT-TDI PD or however the scrabble letters fell that day that enters the VW cup and a few other race series I think...

On a more kit car oriented tack, I found this talking about using an AX TD as a donor for an ultra efficient kit: www.benerridge.freeserve.co.uk/economy4.htm although he goes on to use a moped I think.

Also found this oil burner for sale: www.findit.co.uk/cars/kitcar/cars/928803.htm

I'd say the problem with diesel in a kit is that they tend to be high torque, low power and as such have long gearing. The block itself tends to be much heavier than a petrol to cope with the higher compression ratio. I doubt these characteristics would suit all that many kits.

It would certainly be intersting to build a GT of some sort using a high output diesel motor from a bigger car...

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 27th November 2003
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liszt said:
Aren't Lotus or GM working on a diesel sports car

I think you probably mean the Opel / Vauxhall Eco Speedster:
www.topgear.com/content/features/stories/paris_2002/05/
Being based on the VX220 which in turn is based on the Elise, it's had input from both companies.

Aprisa

1,803 posts

259 months

Thursday 27th November 2003
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Westfield did a diesel turbo factory car a few years back IIRC.
Nick

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 27th November 2003
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spartan_andy

645 posts

248 months

Thursday 27th November 2003
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There are also retro fit emu available for most modern diesels I know theres one for my 406 which will give about 180 bhp iirc

Ex-Biker

1,315 posts

248 months

Thursday 27th November 2003
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A project for one of the magazines then?

Build an automatic diesel car and track day it!

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 27th November 2003
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Ex-Biker said:
A project for one of the magazines then?

Den!
Want to stump up the cash for a KitCar exclusive?

Wacky Racer

38,170 posts

248 months

Thursday 27th November 2003
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Aprisa said:
Westfield did a diesel turbo factory car a few years back IIRC.
Nick


Yes, I had a drive in it...

It was a one off experiment, but they decided to drop it. (can't say I blame them)

grahambell

2,718 posts

276 months

Thursday 27th November 2003
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In answer to Den's question, no, not had a reply from Vince yet, but give it some time.

As for deisel engined kit cars, several Fiesta based Quantums have been built using the turbo diesel engine.

kitcarman

805 posts

249 months

Thursday 27th November 2003
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grahambell said:
In answer to Den's question, no, not had a reply from Vince yet, but give it some time.

That’s cool.
Graham, I wonder if you know Kris Brown? He was a director of Unique Autocraft Ltd who made the original Python until production ceased in the the early 1990’s. I’ve lost contact with him. I’d like to know if the transfer of Python to RV Dynamics was ‘official’. Similarly I’d like to learn his view on Fib’s (or Mr Financier) selling AF Sports through a business called ‘Unique Autocraft’. My understanding is that both names were simply ‘adopted’ rather than purchased, but I don’t know and would like to hear from Kris because he should know the score.
grahambell said:
As for deisel engined kit cars, several Fiesta based Quantums have been built using the turbo diesel engine.

I ran a P100 with one of those engines. Damn good it was too, and very economical.

Den

Knowone

28 posts

246 months

Friday 28th November 2003
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LexSport said:

Ex-Biker said:
A project for one of the magazines then?


Den!
Want to stump up the cash for a KitCar exclusive?


I realise this subject has hyjacked the thread a bit.

How about it Den. Let's see you put something in your mag about it.
There seems to be interest.
Has there ever been something done like it before?

grahambell

2,718 posts

276 months

Friday 28th November 2003
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kitcarman said:

Graham, I wonder if you know Kris Brown?


Only by reputation as director of Unique Autocraft and as a hot rodder from way back.

Was wondering how 'official' the use of the name was myself.

kitcarman

805 posts

249 months

Friday 28th November 2003
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Ex-Biker said:
Build an automatic diesel car and track day it!


Not exactly on in main-line is it?
I thought Mark was pulling my leg
Knowone said:
LexSport said:
Ex-Biker said:
A project for one of the magazines then?
Den!
Want to stump up the cash for a KitCar exclusive?
I realise this subject has hyjacked the thread a bit.

How about it Den. Let's see you put something in your mag about it.
There seems to be interest.
Has there ever been something done like it before?

Apparently this is serious, so to answer seriously.
Kit Car is always prepared to feature the weird and wonderful.
A few months ago we ran an excellent feature on a Lotus Elise converted to run on household ‘mains’ gas. Very interesting with 200 miles worth of it costing only a couple of quid.
We’ve featured Quantum and Westfield diesel cars, so there’s no prejudice.
If anybody wanted to submit an article on this or any other related subject, we’d publish it. Subject to it being reasonably well written, technically correct and most importantlyinteresting.

Den