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Den
Maybe your personal views would be better placed in an article in your mag not on here? Debate is one thing but personally slating someone who is trying to make aliving and better himself maybe isnt very nice. Put it this way when Id ecide to spend my hard earned I will be looking for the best value for money after doing my homework all around. An advert wont sell it to me but some proper evidence may then I will make my mind up after weighing (no pun intended) everything up.
Anyway the question of the engine. I have no idea how they work or how they produce power but i'm looking for around 350-400 bhp pleanty of torque, lots of noise and its gotta look damn fine when you open the bonnet. Lots of shiny bits, so i dont want a knackered old lump thats been fannied up.
Mike
Maybe your personal views would be better placed in an article in your mag not on here? Debate is one thing but personally slating someone who is trying to make aliving and better himself maybe isnt very nice. Put it this way when Id ecide to spend my hard earned I will be looking for the best value for money after doing my homework all around. An advert wont sell it to me but some proper evidence may then I will make my mind up after weighing (no pun intended) everything up.
Anyway the question of the engine. I have no idea how they work or how they produce power but i'm looking for around 350-400 bhp pleanty of torque, lots of noise and its gotta look damn fine when you open the bonnet. Lots of shiny bits, so i dont want a knackered old lump thats been fannied up.
Mike
funkyboogalooo said:
Anyway the question of the engine. I have no idea how they work or how they produce power but i'm looking for around 350-400 bhp pleanty of torque, lots of noise and its gotta look damn fine when you open the bonnet. Lots of shiny bits, so i dont want a knackered old lump thats been fannied up.
www.enginefactory.com/horsepowerchoices.htm
www.amerspeed.com/ultima.htm
No connection with either other than customer of American Speed - here's my beastie. Over 450 ft lbs from under 3000 rpm
Den
My comment about the bickering was to Vince, as we both seemed to misunderstand what each was saying. . .
. . . and the comment about Petrol Ted, an attempt to get the thread back on track.
I had hoped that my comments on the thread had been constructive, yet as I am not really able to comment on anything specific regarding Cobra reps (I don't like Cobra's - nothing nasty, just my preference to cars I like & don't) I have been trying to learn.
IMO this is an intersting thread.
You know I agree with you when it comes to the way certain kit cars are advertised. I think you have made your point about this. If you were to start a thread asking how many people agree that the particular advert is wrong, I think many would agree.
Let's see what people have to say about other Cobra reps.
My comment about the bickering was to Vince, as we both seemed to misunderstand what each was saying. . .
Ex-Biker said:
Vince
I really don't want to get into a tit for tat bickering match. I had hoped you saw my posting for what I consider they are - unbiased observations.
I have deliberately tried to avoid the stuff from previous threads in a hope that funkyboogalooo gets the answer to his question.
. . . and the comment about Petrol Ted, an attempt to get the thread back on track.
I had hoped that my comments on the thread had been constructive, yet as I am not really able to comment on anything specific regarding Cobra reps (I don't like Cobra's - nothing nasty, just my preference to cars I like & don't) I have been trying to learn. IMO this is an intersting thread.
You know I agree with you when it comes to the way certain kit cars are advertised. I think you have made your point about this. If you were to start a thread asking how many people agree that the particular advert is wrong, I think many would agree. Let's see what people have to say about other Cobra reps.
BobM said:
Anyway the question of the engine. I have no idea how they work or how they produce power but i'm looking for around 350-400 bhp pleanty of torque, lots of noise and its gotta look damn fine when you open the bonnet. Lots of shiny bits, so i dont want a knackered old lump thats been fannied up.
www.enginefactory.com/horsepowerchoices.htm
www.amerspeed.com/ultima.htm
No connection with either other than customer of American Speed - here's my beastie. Over 450 ft lbs from under 3000 rpm
Now something like that would do nicely. Looks lovely.
There was an interesting article in last month's Which Kit? about the different versions of the small block Ford engines. If you want to build a close 'replica' then Ford blocks might be worth a look as they were the power source for the original Cobra's.
Chevy V8s seem to be about the most popular - I believe they're a bit cheaper than Ford blocks. Both have a multitude of tuning parts available.
As does the Rover V8. Moving further away from the original car as it's not even an american block (although it's based on an old Buick engine design). RV8s are lighter, usually smaller in capacity and I don't think you'd get your target output without forced induction. But with a lighter engine up front, you might be able to hone the handling a bit more.
Den recently commented on Madabout that he was going for a Rover V8 for a few reasons. Perhaps he could reiterate his choice on this thread?
Chevy V8s seem to be about the most popular - I believe they're a bit cheaper than Ford blocks. Both have a multitude of tuning parts available.
As does the Rover V8. Moving further away from the original car as it's not even an american block (although it's based on an old Buick engine design). RV8s are lighter, usually smaller in capacity and I don't think you'd get your target output without forced induction. But with a lighter engine up front, you might be able to hone the handling a bit more.
Den recently commented on Madabout that he was going for a Rover V8 for a few reasons. Perhaps he could reiterate his choice on this thread?
I built my Dax with a Rover engine because at the time I liked the fact they were light and the 250ish bhp which seemed fairly easily attainable sounded like plenty.
Having had the car on the road a few years now I fancy more power and have been looking at big capacity Rover engines of 5 litres plus from the likes of DJE and RPI. The theory being that I can keep existing engine mounts, gearbox, prop, exhausts and save money.
Then when you step back and look at what some of these engine would cost, the bhp/£ figures aren't that impressive when compared to things like small block Ford crate engines which produce 350bhp straight out of the box for not much money. And even 450bhp is not too expensive from these motors. Also, as most engines of those sort of outputs have alloy heads they don't actually weigh that much.
I know the small block Chevy is a popular choice but I believe they are a fair bit heavier than the Ford, can anyone confirm the weights??? I did get a passenger ride in a SBC Dax once and in so far as you can tell from the passenger seat it didn't feel as nimble as my Rover engined car (although it was damn fast!).
I certainly don't think I'd consider a Big Block engine, as you can get so much power from either of the small blocks why bother?
So my current thinking is that I might just bite the bullet and go for a small block ford and accept all the other changes I will have to make to the car. I'm probably not going to do anything for several months though so plenty of time to change my mind five times!
Chris
Having had the car on the road a few years now I fancy more power and have been looking at big capacity Rover engines of 5 litres plus from the likes of DJE and RPI. The theory being that I can keep existing engine mounts, gearbox, prop, exhausts and save money.
Then when you step back and look at what some of these engine would cost, the bhp/£ figures aren't that impressive when compared to things like small block Ford crate engines which produce 350bhp straight out of the box for not much money. And even 450bhp is not too expensive from these motors. Also, as most engines of those sort of outputs have alloy heads they don't actually weigh that much.
I know the small block Chevy is a popular choice but I believe they are a fair bit heavier than the Ford, can anyone confirm the weights??? I did get a passenger ride in a SBC Dax once and in so far as you can tell from the passenger seat it didn't feel as nimble as my Rover engined car (although it was damn fast!).
I certainly don't think I'd consider a Big Block engine, as you can get so much power from either of the small blocks why bother?
So my current thinking is that I might just bite the bullet and go for a small block ford and accept all the other changes I will have to make to the car. I'm probably not going to do anything for several months though so plenty of time to change my mind five times!
Chris
Cobra engine choice - pros and cons, would make an interesting article.
Anyone interested in writing one for Madabout
John
www.madabout-kitcars.com
Anyone interested in writing one for Madabout
John
www.madabout-kitcars.com
jgmadkit said:
Cobra engine choice - pros and cons, would make an interesting article. Anyone interested in writing one for Madabout
If no one else does it before I finish my own personal research (could take a while!) I'd be happy to put my findings in writing. Don't hold your breath though!
Chris
Quite like the look of one of these:
www.performanceparts.ford.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=3621
Can be purchased in the UK via Real Steel according to the web site.
Chris
www.performanceparts.ford.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=3621
Can be purchased in the UK via Real Steel according to the web site. Chris
Maybe I've missed the point, but I think what Den is trying to say, in his normal roundabout sort of way 
is: People who are reading and responding to ads, are in the market to buy a particular product, in this case a cobra replica. There has been a case on another forum recently, where someone has responded to an ad, from another recently, changed ownership cobra replica mark. And has not got what he was promised, or anything else, Having paid a sizeable deposit, and waiting months.
As far as i'm aware if you advertise something,(unless you specify otherwise), That product, or an alternative, of equal value and quality, should be available! Otherwise it is false advertising!!!!
Den in his role as a publisher, would failing in his duty if he did not point this out.
Cheers Chris
PS Nice Lump Andycanam
>> Edited by Purple AK on Wednesday 14th January 21:37
is: People who are reading and responding to ads, are in the market to buy a particular product, in this case a cobra replica. There has been a case on another forum recently, where someone has responded to an ad, from another recently, changed ownership cobra replica mark. And has not got what he was promised, or anything else, Having paid a sizeable deposit, and waiting months. As far as i'm aware if you advertise something,(unless you specify otherwise), That product, or an alternative, of equal value and quality, should be available! Otherwise it is false advertising!!!!
Den in his role as a publisher, would failing in his duty if he did not point this out.
Cheers Chris
PS Nice Lump Andycanam
>> Edited by Purple AK on Wednesday 14th January 21:37
Purple AK said:
Cheers Mate.
I know Dens a pussycat! Nice bloke, spose I don't mention JUMPERS then?
Cheers Chris
Not if they're all like this one.....
www.ac427.com/html/cobra_90.shtml
Purple AK said:
As far as i'm aware if you advertise something,(unless you specify otherwise), That product, or an alternative, of equal value and quality, should be available! Otherwise it is false advertising!!!!
Guse that was amed at me then ? was it not!
all my customers have Know what the status was at all times!
Guse that was amed at me then ? was it not!
all my customers have Know what the status was at all times!
Vince.
It was not aimed at anyone in particular! it merely stated a few accepted rules of advertising.
Had it been aimed at you I would have used your name.
I have no desire to fuel this, frankly, childish mud slinging, but, this is a forum, which, by definition means, "A place where public dissusion is held" and as such I was merely airing My view.
Regards Chris
all my customers have Know what the status was at all times!
Vince.
It was not aimed at anyone in particular! it merely stated a few accepted rules of advertising.
Had it been aimed at you I would have used your name.
I have no desire to fuel this, frankly, childish mud slinging, but, this is a forum, which, by definition means, "A place where public dissusion is held" and as such I was merely airing My view.
Regards Chris
I sold my Cerbera to buy a turnkey Dax Tojeiro from DB replicas. I opted for the 383 stroker Rpm kit which was dyno'd at 449bhp 447 lb/ft by Mike Huddard. I opted for the Dax over the Gd mainly on looks (my opinion only)and Dax do an extended footwell which helps as I'm 6'6". Also Dax are able to have the deep dished alloys and they prefer to have side pipes and GD normally like their pipes to run under the body. I can't complain how the car put's the power down I get excellent traction. Cornering is ok but with so much power I adopt a point and squirt approach as on many occasions on slow corners the back will step out quite easily, which I like but a few passengers weren't as keen as me. Overall I prefer my Dax to my old cerb...so no regrets
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