Three Wheelers - Your opinions and expertise wanted!

[Steffan]

fuoriserie said:

Stuart Mills said:

Here are the components for my latest 3 wheeler. Lithium Yttrium pack with a double stacked 3 phase motor, 125cc motor bike wheels, KLF quad bike front uprights and the front wishbones from a MEV Sonic7, just happened to be about right! The steering box is from a golf buggy and rear swing arm from a Yamaha 400. It will have tandem seats, do 60 mph and a range of 100 miles from the 7.2 KWH pack with regen brakes. Body style to be aerodynamic but I haven't got to that bit yet.

Nice project and looking forward to your new design.

Indeed it is !!

Stuart I can only admire the vitality energy and original thinking that you put into producing your remarkable range of Kit Cars in all their glory in the UK. Not content with the outstanding vehilce you have already designed and built with the tribute to the Aston Martin DB2 in the Replicar, you are now producing an outstanding (doubtless) electric three wheeler. The tandem seating is unquestionably the best internal layout and is spot on IMO. I have never liked the effects of cars where the passenger is relegated to a rear seat behind the driver. 60MPH is plenty in this size of car and the advantages of electric power in cost saving and urban accessibility are obvious.

If you can get a 100 miles range out of the car, which I think you might with the lightweight concept proposed you are onto yet anther winner. I have always thought a (relatively) short haul electric urban three wheeler could be really successful around the mighty metropolises in the UK and now you are building one for us to enjoy. Keep the good work up! When can we expect to see the prototype please? Stonebridge perhaps?? Please!!

[qdos]

Excellent news Stuart. Really looking forward to seeing this one

[Stuart Mills]

thank you for the kind words Gents. I will be on with this in between everything else but I hope to ride it around the circuit at the new summer kit car show to be announced soon.

[fuoriserie]

http://tanommotors.com/?page_id=63

A new Three Wheeler from the USA

[Steffan]

fuoriserie said:

http://tanommotors.com/?page_id=63

A new Three Wheeler from the USA

Nice looking car if one one on a theme regularly revisted on Three Wheeler creations. I do not doubt the performance with low weight and a Hyabusa power plant driving the car on. Does is add anything to three wheeler development? As you know fuoriserie the specialist car market has a lot of machines coming onto the market. Will this one stand out? Time will tell.

[fuoriserie]

Steffan said:

fuoriserie said:

http://tanommotors.com/?page_id=63

A new Three Wheeler from the USA

Nice looking car if one one on a theme regularly revisted on Three Wheeler creations. I do not doubt the performance with low weight and a Hyabusa power plant driving the car on. Does is add anything to three wheeler development? As you know fuoriserie the specialist car market has a lot of machines coming onto the market. Will this one stand out? Time will tell.

In my personal opinion,the T-REX Campagna has inspired a whole new set of Three wheelers or( Reverse Trikes as they call them in the USA..),it's almost the Seven Replica of three wheelers.

Look here:
http://www.g-2.ca/

http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-new...

http://www.enzocustomcycles.com/

http://vectortrikes.com/



If I remember correctly, but could be wrong, Campagna never registered the design of the chassis (the styling of the body was done by Paul Deutschman ,see:http://www.deutschmandesign.com/category45/T-Rex,)

and so now we continue to see new reverse trikes clearly inspired by the original MK1 T-REX.

Will this stand out you ask me? well I guess we will have to wait and see, but Three wheelers have been gaining momentum since the new Morgan reached the market 2 Yrs.ago and I'm sure we will see more in the future, but with less income for toys in the years ahead, maybe a modern motorcycle 500-600cc powered three wheeler might still be enough to have fun and affordable for kitcar enthusiasts.

Clearly the mentioned 3 wheeler is not a kit and the price is way up there for most of us...but a lowcost version might make sense on this side of the pond.

Edited by fuoriserie on Friday 31st January 22:46

[Steffan]

Interesting stuff and I do agree with you about the TREX type proliferation's coming onto the market. I am very hopeful that someone (NOT me) will design and build a lightweight small capacity three wheeler of say 250-350CC. With the super technology of these modern all alloy engines and drive trains and a really svelte aerodynamic profile I think such a car could easily achieve 80+ to the gallon and cruise at 70 mph. Economy and good performance in a really usable car particularly in urban areas could create a stir and be produced at prices to attract interest. Much as I like the Morgan and Pembleton/Motoguzzi/Hyabusa type power and all the other big bike performance they are expensive to build and run.

I constantly refer back to the Berkeley (you must have noticed!!) which in the 750 Royal Enfield format was IMO at least forty years ahead of its time, and to this day I think never bettered in looks or ability in volume three wheeler production. The engineering let it down as engineering did in the post war period but with modern materials and the hugely improved designs of engines and engine management we ought to be able to beat the Berkeley's hands down. It has not happened in volume production as yet. But I live in hope!

[Sway]

Personally, perfection would be a T Rex-ish single seater, with 600-750cc bike engine.

Enough luggage capacity for a coat/rucksack, and it'd become my daily commuter...

[fuoriserie]

http://www.carwriteups.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/20...
http://www.britishmarine.co.uk/pdf/Gregor_Dixon-Sm...

Some interesting research papers on the Morgan 3wheeler and others.

OTHER
http://www.mecheng.iisc.ernet.in/~asitava/three-wh...
http://tripp.iitd.ernet.in/course/lecture2010/sudi...
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/esv/esv19/05-0160...
http://library.state.or.us/repository/2013/2013122...
http://www.ijser.org/researchpaper%5CDesigning-Sol...
http://www.aamva.org/uploadedFiles/MainSite/Conten...
http://web.iitd.ac.in/~achawla/PDF%20Files/FE%20Si...
http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/susdevtopics/sdt_pdfs/me...
http://www.ruh.ac.lk/research/academic_sessions/20...
http://www.ijest.info/docs/IJEST13-05-05-088.pdf
https://www.esmap.org/sites/esmap.org/files/PR_Red...
http://www2.gtz.de/dokumente/bib/05-0521.pdf


ELECTRIC
http://psrcentre.org/images/extraimages/1211036.pd...
TUK TUK

http://tuktukthreewheeler.com/images/pdf.pdf
http://www.mate.tue.nl/mate/pdfs/11244.pdf


TILTING THREEWHEELERS
http://aces.upc.es/~seminaris/docs/Curso%20Nestor%...
http://www.kahlert.com/web/download/threewheeler.p...
http://www.dspace.com/shared/data/pdf/dSPACE_NEWS/...
http://opus.bath.ac.uk/15090/1/F2008-SC-032-Paper....
http://mecsys.mecc.polimi.it/Didattica/iils_dcv/Di...
http://www.pieroagostinetti.eu/Experimental%20anal...

The Vincent three wheeler :
http://www.voc.uk.com/net/docs/17/17-327-15.pdf

EU Type Approval:

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/automotive/...

Enjoy and good reading for the weekend...

Edited by fuoriserie on Saturday 1st February 12:31

[Stuart Mills]

A little more progress for those interested in electric 3 wheelers. Assembly easy so far, now I intend to mount the controller and connect up. As you can see I have totally filled all available space with batteries.
COG is kept low. Rider and pillion in tandem. I will report back as progress continues.

[qdos]

Fair few batteries there Stuart. Interesting motor too... Looks rather promising definitely will be keeping an eye to yet another new MEV

[Steffan]

The Crack Fox said:

Stuart Mills said:

A little more progress for those interested in electric 3 wheelers. Assembly easy so far, now I intend to mount the controller and connect up. As you can see I have totally filled all available space with batteries.
COG is kept low. Rider and pillion in tandem. I will report back as progress continues.

I just see a naked Sinclair C5

I remember seeing (as I drove by) the dire C5 with William Wollard, of Tomorrow's World fame, trundling slowly along the Bristol Road by Pebble Mill years (80's) ago in Brum testing the vehicle. He looked and I suspect was absolutely terrified. Unsurprising: I refused to even try one on the road. They were outright dangerous in traffic. No acceleration awful brakes ludicrously slow and thoroughly unroadworthy vehicle. I have no doubt that the offering's of Mr Mills will be an entirely different experience. Will the car be ready for Stoneleigh Stuart? I am really looking forward to seeing your latest efforts.

[Stuart Mills]

I don't think it will be ready for Stoneleigh but it will probabaly make it to "kit fest"

[qdos]

Stuart Mills said:

"kit fest"

?

[matt4man]

Stuart Mills said:

"kit fest"

Very Interested :-)

[Stuart Mills]

new thread required, anyone?

[Steffan]

Stuart Mills said:

new thread required, anyone?

+1 Go on then Stuart must be worth a thread in its own a decent electric three wheeler with the mass as low as this must be worth its own thread. Could even equal or better the old Berkeley I crave to beat such cravings as yet unsatisfied.

[matt4man]

Stuart Mills said:

new thread required, anyone?

Probably best, I imagine it might go on.....

[Stuart Mills]

got it turning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5_0bIze39A&fea...

[Martin A]

Does anyone have any ideas about getting a scooter to run in reverse, either by modifying the transmission or the direction of the engine.

I know that a certain type of bubble car used to change the engine direction for reverse but I'm looking to build a rear rather than mid engined trike with a CVT and have reached this stumbling block.