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TVR_owner
3,305 posts
60 months
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Don't know if the car is an upright radiator version, but a full size wolfrace with a 195 70 14 tyre fits as intended for cars with lower front rad. They also run nice an cool with that low front rad if converted to ally.
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pridaux
672 posts
18 months
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Hi John yes your right on the M series however because the 3000s is about 2.5 inches lower all over with the same chassis then there is 2.5 inches less head room under the bonnet can be rather annoying when you try to fit a spare i believe there are 2 different chassis fittings for the 3000s as TVR found the same problem when they altered the radiator position if the car was built to have the radiator directly in front of the engine then the spare angles down hard into the front so not a problem. However if you move the radiator forward on the 3000s then when you put the spare in the wheel gets obstructed by the new radator and does not angle enough this is fine on the standard M series but the 3000s with the lower bonnet by 2.5 inches thats another matter. Andrew
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TVR_owner
3,305 posts
60 months
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pridaux said: Hi John yes your right on the M series however because the 3000s is about 2.5 inches lower all over with the same chassis then there is 2.5 inches less head room under the bonnet can be rather annoying when you try to fit a spare i believe there are 2 different chassis fittings for the 3000s as TVR found the same problem when they altered the radiator position if the car was built to have the radiator directly in front of the engine then the spare angles down hard into the front so not a problem. However if you move the radiator forward on the 3000s then when you put the spare in the wheel gets obstructed by the new radator and does not angle enough this is fine on the standard M series but the 3000s with the lower bonnet by 2.5 inches thats another matter. Andrew It was the S I was discussing Andrew. Our car is about the 10th car built, 1st turbo - radiator in the nose, spare fits fine. It's original fit wolfrace and tyre fitted is same width as standard Michelin. Radiator built to same dimensions as standard. 
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bluezeeland
434 posts
28 months
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The bracket takes a standard 14" wolfrace, with uprated (high) radiator, so no problems. If anyone is interested I have got a full set of 5 wolfraces for sale. @pridaux, if rudy doesn't want the s40 spacesaver, i'll have it please, please pm me (got 4 Tslots, do not like the wolfraces)
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tunepipe911
Original Poster
255 posts
18 months
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thanks Andrew,but won't need the spacesaver, Frank could use it,as he wants to sell the Wolfrace rims,
Rudy
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pridaux
672 posts
18 months
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Hi John Although no expert but a real novice I can only go by what I found with lottie. I see what your saying I guess they altered the bracket for the turbo to allow for the radiator. When I had problems fitting the spare after moving the radiator I checked with David gerald Adrian Ven and Steve and they all said the same thing that most of the standard 3000s had different positioning for the bracket which would mean using a space saver. With the build completed and chassis powder coated it was to late to change however I made a bracket that re positioned the spare back 5 inches nearer the engine and fitted a 175/80 tyre as a spare as it will give the same rolling radius as the 195/70 on the other wheels as I wanted to restore the 5 T slots rather than the wolf race copies that where on her. Guess like all older TVRs it was a case of constant changes and hard to sometimes work out what is really original as they begged and borrowed parts from various places and made changes as they went along.. Guess it was a case of constant development?. Anyone restoring a 3000s I would suggest checking the position on that bracket and test fitting the spare with the new radiator before dismantling and powder coating to avoid the problem the one positive thing with the new bracket is the spare is far easier to get at and saves the back when getting the wheel off. Regards the space saver if Frank contacts me he is welcome to it as I just picked it up on flea bay as a stop gap T slots now finished and going on over Easter. By the way how lucky are we all to have the cars we have they are great best thing I ever bought. Andrew
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pridaux
672 posts
18 months
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Thanks Adrian at least the problem is solved your a star
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thegamekeeper
1,990 posts
151 months
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pridaux said: Hi John Although no expert but a real novice I can only go by what I found with lottie. I see what your saying I guess they altered the bracket for the turbo to allow for the radiator. When I had problems fitting the spare after moving the radiator I checked with David gerald Adrian Ven and Steve and they all said the same thing that most of the standard 3000s had different positioning for the bracket which would mean using a space saver. With the build completed and chassis powder coated it was to late to change however I made a bracket that re positioned the spare back 5 inches nearer the engine and fitted a 175/80 tyre as a spare as it will give the same rolling radius as the 195/70 on the other wheels as I wanted to restore the 5 T slots rather than the wolf race copies that where on her. Guess like all older TVRs it was a case of constant changes and hard to sometimes work out what is really original as they begged and borrowed parts from various places and made changes as they went along.. Guess it was a case of constant development?. Anyone restoring a 3000s I would suggest checking the position on that bracket and test fitting the spare with the new radiator before dismantling and powder coating to avoid the problem the one positive thing with the new bracket is the spare is far easier to get at and saves the back when getting the wheel off. Regards the space saver if Frank contacts me he is welcome to it as I just picked it up on flea bay as a stop gap T slots now finished and going on over Easter. By the way how lucky are we all to have the cars we have they are great best thing I ever bought. Andrew
Andrew, I was obviously not party to conversations you had with others but i do remember our conversation and actually diarise conversations (have done since the 1980,s........as an aid memoire). I recall discussing the fact that you have oversize tyres and I also recall suggesting fitting a narrower/standard size tyre on your spare which would solve your problem. I recall discussing if you had an LSD, which you didn,t know if you had or not, having to fit the spare on the front axle which may involve changing front wheel to back. I remember explaining why that was needed to prevent damage to the clutch plates in the diff, but I do not recall saying there were chassis differences which required a space saver. You obviously recall some of that since you fitted a narrower taller tyre to overcome this potential problem but going to the trouble of moving the wheel back 5" seems unnecessary and as already stated the standard wheel will fit in the standard place. I am, as you know quite familiar with your car and it is stunning but it is no different to any other (obviously accepting minor differences outlined above). ALL the chassis were made in a jig and all the bodies were made in a mould. All "M" series cars are identical from the bulkhead forward and it is the bulkhead which is lower not the profile of the bonnet. TVR,s are bespoke but that is not the same as begging and borrowing and making changes as they went along. Ironically TVR 3000S,s were probably the least bespoke TVR ever, 10 standard colours and 2 trim colours, yes I know there are odd cars with non standard colours but not many. You will be off on the "kit Car" tack next and I,ve banged on too often with my views on that topic, nobody has yet referred to 2 of the current F1 tems as being "kit car" based
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pridaux
672 posts
18 months
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Hi Steve If the bulk head is lower then the bonnet is lower on the chassis hence less space I tried what you said with a smaller tyre but to no avail. What I have done has not altered anything on the car as I did not wish to alter anything original the alloy plate just sits on the old bolts and 2 new ones on the alloy plate works in this case. Seeing other 3000s configurations a lot seem different from each other but I suppose that's down to others changing things not TVR as you would know. Thanks for the info.
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pridaux
672 posts
18 months
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Thanks Adrian begining to think i was dreaming Andrew
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thegamekeeper
1,990 posts
151 months
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So to recap and ignoring Adrians "RAKES", "BUTS","OEs","NOWS","LOTS","ANDS","THATS",more "OEs",and other shouts relating to retro modded for whatever reason cars *not sure how the heater mounting fits in but HEY!,and bonnet strengthening bits, your cars is BOG standard so for the life of me I cannot understand how you cant fit a 175 profile tyre where a 195 one will fit!
Sorry to disturb your dreams but some discussions on here turn into a nightmare! I,m going to bed, maybe I won,t wake up. I hope Adrians shouting doesn,t disturb your dreams.
Good night Teddy, Good night Lottie.
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heightswitch
3,413 posts
119 months
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Hope he has woken up..I need somewhere to sleep tonight!!  N
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TVR_owner
3,305 posts
60 months
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Guess Steve is awake now. Not much chance of sleep if N is around 
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thegamekeeper
1,990 posts
151 months
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Morning everyone. I feel strange , I had a weird dream, Neilswitch was in it and he was all handsome and had hair. We were in a bar and The Eagles, Dire Straits and The Verve were playing live and the beer was free. I love Wednesdays. I think I, ll sunbathe today, maybe go fishing.
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tunepipe911
Original Poster
255 posts
18 months
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next fase,chassis sprayed in first coating,after this, black coating,not powdercoated with new windowframe next week,starting the rebuild? 
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oldgeebee
228 posts
25 months
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That's looking good Rudi - why not powder coat? GB
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tunepipe911
Original Poster
255 posts
18 months
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Graham, no powdercoat,sprayed a special primer to fil the small pits and then sand it after, also to test my skills as a paint-man,hope the black will work as well as the primer, powdercoat also has the problem off coatig to thick in some areas,not wanting to have trouble putting the wishbones back, what is the news on your TVR so far?
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oldgeebee
228 posts
25 months
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OK Rudi - you might be right with the prime and paint - as soon as mine was powder-coated everyone was giving me reasons why it's not the way to go. Still, it looks great and there's not that many places where I need to shave a bit off for clearance. Progress slow at the moment due to a bad back (almost better) and the great weather forcing me to do 100's of miles in the S3  GB
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tunepipe911
Original Poster
255 posts
18 months
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at least you can do the 100 miles,I am grounded for the moment 
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tunepipe911
Original Poster
255 posts
18 months
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 chassis and windscreen sandblasted,primercoating and black painted, next step ,engine and wishbones 
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