Vixen - engine swap - ideas and guidance please

Vixen - engine swap - ideas and guidance please

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M@H

11,296 posts

272 months

Friday 3rd February 2012
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This might sound bonkers, but how much would it cost to ship the car this way rather than an engine, gearbox, diff etc your way. You could potentially get a respected firm in this country to do all the work for you with the support network of the UK suppliers etc and then ship the car back again? (I have no idea on costs to ship cars around so this might well be a stupid suggestion)

nigeljones

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27 posts

153 months

Friday 3rd February 2012
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Thanks for the ideas. It is a 'no go'. Parts shipped here are subject to VAT only. Ship a vehicle and the tax will make your eyes water.......and bank balance evaporate.

Luckily I have a great chassis, good body and am on my way developing the engine, suspension and modifications plan. I can work with the UK workshops and the do much of the work here.

By the time I finish there wil be a great 'how to do it' bible here at PistonHeads.

Thanks,

Astacus

3,382 posts

234 months

Friday 3rd February 2012
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, your installation looks marvellous. Is that an original chassis, what's the finish (sorry, don't want to derail the thread, just undecided about what to do with mine)

M@H

11,296 posts

272 months

Friday 3rd February 2012
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On the engine front - a novel suggestion but how about the 3l Jag V6 ? 235bhp.. ..its a duratec of sorts isn't it?

Edited by M@H on Friday 3rd February 09:16

the other tim

136 posts

147 months

Friday 3rd February 2012
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An alternative for a Duratec http://www.raceco.com/fordd.html

RCK974X

2,521 posts

149 months

Friday 3rd February 2012
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Just a thought, but from where you are, it might be worth looking towards Australia if need to import an engine or parts - they too have a lot of expertise and tuning. (Or do you get better terms from UK imports ?)

Australia has a mix of locally assembled and Eurpoean imports from both Ford and GM. I can still buy parts for the Cologne V6 engines here in NZ (a couple of parts came via Aus) for example.

Like I said, just a thought - I'm surprised you can't get cheap Japanese stuff, it's everywhere here !! Some of the modern Jap L4 and L6 twin cams have a very good reputation for power and durability, L4s should go in easily.

geeeman

1,310 posts

255 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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Just came across this old thread. i have been thinking of a duratec powered vixen for a while. Would tick all the boxes

what would be the best gearbox option? I would also require a clutch with easy and light hydraulic operation

geeeman

1,310 posts

255 months

Thursday 7th August 2014
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used to own a zetec engined Ginetta G4 , weighed 660kg
im tempted with the duratec for its tuning capabilities (maybe a 2.3). 250 bhp would be the aim

over 200 bhp for zetec is hard and expensive i think

what about the diff and gearbox options?

geeeman

1,310 posts

255 months

Thursday 7th August 2014
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thanks, no vixen as yet

have looked at a few other potential cars, but keep coming back to the vixen. I do like s6 tuscans also, but i prefer the classic stuff a bit more and its what im more familiar with

regarding the T5, any idea which hydraulic clutch assembly would suit, to provide a light pedal. As thats one of my main concerns

phillpot

17,115 posts

183 months

Thursday 7th August 2014
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geeeman said:
regarding the T5, any idea which hydraulic clutch assembly would suit, to provide a light pedal. As thats one of my main concerns
Remote servo on the clutch scratchchin

geeeman

1,310 posts

255 months

Thursday 7th August 2014
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sequential, i guess as used in the caterham cars would be an option, but probably prefer conventional gearbox

as long as the clutch is fairly light that would be fine, similar to a modern car. Tuscan has a very light clutch (twin plate i think)

geeeman

1,310 posts

255 months

Thursday 7th August 2014
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Btw Neil, its this type of useful discussion and advice that will allow me to decide on embarking on this project. Im not just dreaming here smile

Im getting closer to envisaging the car, and costs involved

RCK974X

2,521 posts

149 months

Thursday 7th August 2014
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Been reading this with interest.... Some more info....

My S3 has a cable clutch, and the Holden Commodores (3.8 V6 Buick) here in NZ and Oz had cable clutches with a T5 box, so that may be another possibility too. In my exprience of building kits, cable clutches are easy to mod/fiddle etc. and tend to be a better 'feel' under the foot (IMHO, some may argue !!)

The S3 cable setup was a simple adaption to the pedal box (and in fact I've been wondering if it's worth copying on my wedge to make the clutch lighter, as the original design/adapation SUCKS)

Whilst I started off suggesting more classic engines, I agree there are some much better and lighter options around now, at reasonable prices. It's your choice, and very much depends what's around locally at decent prices.

You can use the fact that the Vixen frame was designed to take a 289/302 V8 (but it's a squeeze), so a pretty wide range of blocks should go in, but some of the DOHC engine designs are surprisingly wide, and little things like the exhaust plumbing can become a real challenge.

Knowing a little about modern engine management systems, if you get a modern Efi engine, I would buy the complete running vehicle, and strip it carefully to preserve the wiring loom, rather than risk some vital part(s) being missed and costing a lot to source from somewhere else, but that's just my viewpoint.

Some recommend carbs, but it can be very expensive to change the fuel system over, and it's hard to get both the power and economy back to match an Efi. This is especially true for newer ones, as they learn and adapt to each engine's characteristics as they run. (Not as true for a track type setup though)

Anyway, just my 2c worth...





phillpot

17,115 posts

183 months

Thursday 7th August 2014
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Converting my Taimar from cable to hydraulic clutch definately made the operation "lighter" (no, the cable wasn't half siezed) but it will of course depend on the ratio of master cylinder to slave cylinder bores, fulcrum points on clutch pedal and release bearing arm etc. etc.

geeeman

1,310 posts

255 months

Thursday 7th August 2014
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heightswitch said:


smile N.
thats awesome

if i could choose i would have a vixen , with cortina Mk1 rear light clusters, and a Griffith bonnet. And on wire wheels

jim3000s

141 posts

208 months

Thursday 7th August 2014
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heightswitch said:
You just need to find a car then…

heres one I prepared earlier..





smile N.
Looking good, Neil.

RCK974X

2,521 posts

149 months

Friday 8th August 2014
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phillpot said:
Converting my Taimar from cable to hydraulic clutch.....

and Heighswitch....manifold swop....
Fair enough, I was just being general - there's always specific exceptions/conditions. No arguments from me !

Lovely photo by the way - what carbs/fuel setup are you using ?

Edited by RCK974X on Friday 8th August 01:21

ephemera

215 posts

159 months

Friday 8th August 2014
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Absolutely lovely Neil! Keeping it classic or upgrading with modern technology, that's what makes it such a joy to tinker with our cars. Just out of interest, and forgive my ignorance, but could you shed some light on the cylinder pairing in the stunning exhaust manifold?

prideaux

4,969 posts

149 months

Friday 8th August 2014
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heightswitch said:
You just need to find a car then…

heres one I prepared earlier..





smile N.
Neil I understand that bonnet on your race car but why on a Vixen did you get a BOGOF when you ordered your other one.
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prideaux

4,969 posts

149 months

Friday 8th August 2014
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heightswitch said:
prideaux said:
Neil I understand that bonnet on your race car but why on a Vixen did you get a BOGOF when you ordered your other one.
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The original tuscan type Vixen S2 bonnet was scrap Andrew. The bonnet that is actually on the car is the bonnet from Kerry Horans racing griffith which won everything in the late 80's early 90's. I also have another Griffith bonnet without Vents but dad wanted the vents.

Thanks I guess as they say its your car or at least your Dads car it just seems strange to put a Griffith bonnet on a Vixen although I guess with all the changes its not really anymore its a NH creation
I Guess if the other is a Griffen then this one must be a Grixen the Griffens baby Brother wink
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