1965 Griffith 200 for sale
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Hi there
I was wondering if others had seen this car at JD Classics for sale they are asking over 90k and not much of the original car left as new engine new chassis etc and new interior.
www.jdclassics.co.uk/car/441
seems a lot of money for history rather than originality.
Andrew
I was wondering if others had seen this car at JD Classics for sale they are asking over 90k and not much of the original car left as new engine new chassis etc and new interior.
www.jdclassics.co.uk/car/441
seems a lot of money for history rather than originality.
Andrew
Great Idea now why did i not think of that original bt just like my Grandfathers hammer 4 new handles and six new heads but still the same hammer?
Makes the V8 Tuscan that sold at Siverstone this year at £34500 same colour and same quality of rebuild and engine seem a Bargain.
Andrew
Makes the V8 Tuscan that sold at Siverstone this year at £34500 same colour and same quality of rebuild and engine seem a Bargain.
Andrew
Edited by pridaux on Friday 12th October 07:32
Edited by pridaux on Friday 12th October 07:36
Never seen a restored pre-80's car with a TVR 'factory painted' chassis, all seem to powder coated or POR15 or something else similar, so they are all wrong!!!!! And a lot of them especially 60's 'restored cars' have paint colours now that just were not available during the period.
I totally agree with Neil, when I was an active member of the club 1990's, we didn't have badge snobbery, cars were modified to suit owners needs, requirements, etc. At club events there was no poncy concours style judging, everyone had one vote per category and voted for the car they liked best, I think that the system worked really well and we had NO ARGUEMENTS
There really are question marks over originality with TVRs, many of the 60's cars were kits (as were some from the 70's), the fit and finish would depend on what parts TVR had lying around, parts changed to new suppliers when existing suppliers refused to give them any more credit, then we have the world of cars with no chassis numbers, duplicate chassis numbers, etc, etc
My view remains the same, Buy It and Enjoy It, and if that means modding it to suit you then so be it, it's better that the cars are used rather than become garage queens.
Anyway for 95K I'd think I'd buy this http://www.tvr-hhc.co.uk/UsedCars/view/497129 and another car for buzzing on the track. BTW The 3000S Turbo is superb, but has no original turbocharger, radiator, etc, etc ......
I totally agree with Neil, when I was an active member of the club 1990's, we didn't have badge snobbery, cars were modified to suit owners needs, requirements, etc. At club events there was no poncy concours style judging, everyone had one vote per category and voted for the car they liked best, I think that the system worked really well and we had NO ARGUEMENTS
There really are question marks over originality with TVRs, many of the 60's cars were kits (as were some from the 70's), the fit and finish would depend on what parts TVR had lying around, parts changed to new suppliers when existing suppliers refused to give them any more credit, then we have the world of cars with no chassis numbers, duplicate chassis numbers, etc, etc
My view remains the same, Buy It and Enjoy It, and if that means modding it to suit you then so be it, it's better that the cars are used rather than become garage queens.
Anyway for 95K I'd think I'd buy this http://www.tvr-hhc.co.uk/UsedCars/view/497129 and another car for buzzing on the track. BTW The 3000S Turbo is superb, but has no original turbocharger, radiator, etc, etc ......
heightswitch said:
Moto said:
In fairness to Neil's suggestion, you could actually get a all the work done for less than the £88.5k difference.
Hi steve..Its refreshing to see someone on the forum that posts with an understanding of the cynical humour which used to exist on the forum.N.
Never thought it was anything else. Its true though, that its difficult to get over a sarcastic or ironic sense of humour in web forums.
I am with those who like to use their cars.
I dont have the skills of those who produce fantastic fabrications and modded engines and suspension, so I tend to stick to rebuilding as it came apart, more or less. But I can certainly see the attaction. The history of TVR lends itself perfectly to this approach
I am with those who like to use their cars.
I dont have the skills of those who produce fantastic fabrications and modded engines and suspension, so I tend to stick to rebuilding as it came apart, more or less. But I can certainly see the attaction. The history of TVR lends itself perfectly to this approach
It's the Wilton in the boot that broke the camel's back......
That said if I had the brass (and a garage to put it in), I would be up at HHC negotiating with Tony, it is a truly wonderful car and a credit to it's last 4 keepers (even if two of them were TVR_owner!!!). I know how much effort (and money) was put into the rebuild in the 90's and despite the current price tag (still less than the rebuild cost nearly 20 years ago!), I believe it offers value for money. It's a well sorted car, and has been well looked after for the last 20 years.
That said if I had the brass (and a garage to put it in), I would be up at HHC negotiating with Tony, it is a truly wonderful car and a credit to it's last 4 keepers (even if two of them were TVR_owner!!!). I know how much effort (and money) was put into the rebuild in the 90's and despite the current price tag (still less than the rebuild cost nearly 20 years ago!), I believe it offers value for money. It's a well sorted car, and has been well looked after for the last 20 years.
Edited by DavidY on Friday 12th October 12:43
heightswitch said:
I am not going to discuss Values or the subject of originality anymore...people tend to get upset.....
BUT... The reality is that most people have their own rose tinted view of what originality is.....Then people seem to have a perverse view on value weighed against their own perverse view of originality....
So is a TVR with new body and chassis but everything else old original?.... Or inversely if A TVR has its old body and chassis with everything else changed is it original...If just one or 2 parts are changed is the car original...Does it really only matter with respect to the bigger parts??. If a replacement part is not new old stock but re-manufactured by a company with no connection to TVR then is it original..
What I find funny is that the incoming badge snobs probably wouldn't be talking at all about values or indeed buying into this marque if the NON originalists hadn't taken an interest in the cars in the first place and started racing and manufacturing all these non original parts that people new to the forum seem to monotonously enquire about to prevent their cars dissolving into the ground.... let alone virgin first time owners new to the marque with a weird view of then criticising a car for being so nice its almost new.
All of my cars are non original, strangely though any discussion regards value doesn't really enter my head and nor do I give a st about how other people value them...I am happy though that all my cars are as original as most of the other cars out there...There are only one or 2 truly original cars..and most of the time the fair weather punter wouldn't realise the originality if it was slapping them in the face.
A restored car is seldom original...Full stop!
Though that said..Perhaps my next project will be the building of a restored car that everyone thinks is original!!!
N.
Wow who opened a can of worms ( Buer i did)BUT... The reality is that most people have their own rose tinted view of what originality is.....Then people seem to have a perverse view on value weighed against their own perverse view of originality....
So is a TVR with new body and chassis but everything else old original?.... Or inversely if A TVR has its old body and chassis with everything else changed is it original...If just one or 2 parts are changed is the car original...Does it really only matter with respect to the bigger parts??. If a replacement part is not new old stock but re-manufactured by a company with no connection to TVR then is it original..
What I find funny is that the incoming badge snobs probably wouldn't be talking at all about values or indeed buying into this marque if the NON originalists hadn't taken an interest in the cars in the first place and started racing and manufacturing all these non original parts that people new to the forum seem to monotonously enquire about to prevent their cars dissolving into the ground.... let alone virgin first time owners new to the marque with a weird view of then criticising a car for being so nice its almost new.
All of my cars are non original, strangely though any discussion regards value doesn't really enter my head and nor do I give a st about how other people value them...I am happy though that all my cars are as original as most of the other cars out there...There are only one or 2 truly original cars..and most of the time the fair weather punter wouldn't realise the originality if it was slapping them in the face.
A restored car is seldom original...Full stop!
Though that said..Perhaps my next project will be the building of a restored car that everyone thinks is original!!!
N.
Oh well great to see the discushion being addressed as yes most cars are not original mine especially i quess only body chassis and wheels diff gearbox and some of the running gear but i love her anyway.
My only point was the justification of the price against the right hand drive V8 Tuscan which is nearly the same car.
Guess the difference is the nearly but 60k of difference no way.
As for virgin owners wow breaking your virginity is great fun just remember if you can think back that far before you had a personel motoring brothel and lets us have our virgin fun.
Having had 30 years dreaming of the day when we can have time and funds and space to enjoy our TVRs now we have and a massive learing curve ahead we need advice not riddicule?
Just interesting what others think.
FOR EXAMPLE
Is a VW with a Porche engine correct no but its fun.
Is a TVR M Cosworth correct no but its fun and from what i saw at the pre 80s a fantastic piece of engineering.
However is a Harley Davidson fitted with a Honda engine and Vespa Wheels right absolutly not so i guess if it makes you happy and inhances your fun of your classic then great.
When you look at some of the Inhancments JD Classics are offering on Jags etc it makes you think.
Andrew
DavidY said:
Never seen a restored pre-80's car with a TVR 'factory painted' chassis, all seem to powder coated or POR15 or something else similar, so they are all wrong!!!!!
Cough....not quite all. Stayed away from powder coated chassis and POR 15 and the likes. Cellulose from a gun by a good body shopNext owner needs to take responsibility David. Life changes in what you want from it and it's time for me to slow down (even bought an auld mans motor)
Sorry to hear about the funds reallocation, you would have fit the criminal profile quite well..
Sorry to hear about the funds reallocation, you would have fit the criminal profile quite well..
Edited by TVR_owner on Monday 15th October 19:59
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