3000m/Taimar door trim fixing screws?

3000m/Taimar door trim fixing screws?

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Erich Stahler

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2,878 posts

270 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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Anyone know where I can get hold of the screws that attach the aluminium window surrounds to the tops of the doors?


phillpot

17,114 posts

183 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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My window frames were held on by a surviving (but not doing a lot) few of those "Rawlplug type things,assorted pop rivets, couple of roofing bolts 'n nuts and a healthy dollop of silicone!

I intend to junk the lot in favour of countersunk screws, big washers and nuts when it all goes back together. Might be a bit fiddely to get nuts on but lot more secure in the long run (imho)

heightswitch

6,316 posts

250 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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I re-made my angles out of steel stock and new screws. They are a BA size
You can get the correct size steel strip from model engineering suppliers.
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Erich Stahler

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2,878 posts

270 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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phillpot said:
My window frames were held on by a surviving (but not doing a lot) few of those "Rawlplug type things,assorted pop rivets, couple of roofing bolts 'n nuts and a healthy dollop of silicone!

I intend to junk the lot in favour of countersunk screws, big washers and nuts when it all goes back together. Might be a bit fiddely to get nuts on but lot more secure in the long run (imho)
That's the point, you will have a job doing up nuts inside the door, thats why the factory used the semi rawplug solution.

phillpot

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183 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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I agree it will be a time consuming fiddle but whereas time is money in a factory I have "all the time in the World" and its not like its something that comes on and off regularly?

Where the roofing bolts had been fitted to mine a hole,about 20mm dia, had been drilled in the inner door skin to enable the nut to be held in place with something like long nose pliers.

Alternatively, maybe something along these lines would be a good alternative scratchchin

Edited by phillpot on Tuesday 27th November 22:38

heightswitch

6,316 posts

250 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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phillpot said:
I agree it will be a time consuming fiddle but whereas time is money in a factory I have "all the time in the World" and its not like its something that comes on and off regularly?

Alternatively, maybe something along these lines would be a good alternative scratchchin
I used countersunk stainless cap heads and nylocs and washers for the door frame to body fixings. From memory it wasn't so bad to do, little bit fiddly but once started easy enough with a small 1/4 ratchet and some extension bars
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RCK974X

2,521 posts

149 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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on the basis doors are pretty much the same as my Vixen S3 ....

I used a strip of aluminium square bar (about 10mm ?)and drilled and tapped it where the window bolts go through, and then attached the bar to the underside of the door flange with a small countersunk bolt. This way you don't end up sending hours fiddling around trying to get nuts and bolts on, and it's MUCH firmer than the 'rawlplug/speader' grip type fitting...
need to file bar off on one corner to match the GRP 'rolled' inside edge, but fits nicely after that

The frontmost bolt comes out above the (inside) door handle, but drilling carefully allows a nut to be squeezed in behind the trim (with some careful filing of the nut, and grinding a bit of the door)

Erich Stahler

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270 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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Thanks guys, sounds like it might not be as bad as I thought.

phillpot

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183 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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Adrian@ said:
The beauty of using original Tap-it is that this allows SOME flexibility
So these Rawlplug Rawlnuts would do a similar job I reckon ?





On the subject of doors 'n windows, made myself some new window frame steady brackets.....



Edited by phillpot on Wednesday 28th November 18:53

RCK974X

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149 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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Adrian@ said:
The beauty of using original Tap-it is that this allows SOME flexibility when it comes to adjusting the rake and attack of the alloy frame to the door seals, without breaking the inner lip off the top of the door shell...which is then almost impossible to repair once it is broken.Adrian@
That's true - good point. My method with the ally bar does require the window frame to be aligned BEFORE tightening the bolts, and yes, too tight probably would break the door moulding....I did also file the bar profile to get the right angle....and used SS countersunk bolts

Philpot's steady brackets look good too.

For the bottoms, I made 4 small brackets (also in Ally) which are a 'pillar' type design with a wide foot where they attach to the door. Nice, but a b*gger to get the nuts and bolts on the end of the window frames....



Edited by RCK974X on Wednesday 28th November 19:59

DeadSpider

416 posts

184 months

Thursday 22nd January 2015
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just at this stage of refitting the doors and glass does any one have any pictures that they could share of your various solutions.

Thanks Andy

GadgeS3C

4,516 posts

164 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Andy,

Don't have pics but you're welcome to come and have a look inside my doors.
Gary

madsvlund

345 posts

132 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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If I can hijack the tread a bit :-)

What about the clips for fixing the outer door cards. With a plastic plug in the door, and a metal clips in the card ?

Any know a source for these ?

phillpot

17,114 posts

183 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Plenty of clips available, a nylon insert in the door shouldn't be necessary with nylon clips, providing the hole is not too big. They were only used with the metal clips because they would have rattled if clipped into a "normal" metal door.

DeadSpider

416 posts

184 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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http://www.bresco.com/acatalog/info_93080.html

the same as I took out lost and broke available at Bresco

and they fit a treat


Edited by DeadSpider on Monday 26th January 22:07

DeadSpider

416 posts

184 months

Tuesday 27th January 2015
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no Adrian he simply supplied what I took overt as a pattern

DeadSpider

416 posts

184 months

Tuesday 27th January 2015
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Thanks Adrian its the plastic cups for me then. Good to know you have them.

DeadSpider

416 posts

184 months

Friday 30th January 2015
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GadgeS3C said:
Andy,

Don't have pics but you're welcome to come and have a look inside my doors.
Gary
Thanks Gary I think I will be fine now just needs to get a bit warmer so I can crack on