TVR Sports Saloons ?? RGS Atlanta
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Thanks for the help, and glad that my photo has proven to be useful or at least provoked some interest. I now have another name for someone who drove the car, and details that the mysterious Mr Jelley came from Bradford on Avon. I doubt this will change TVR history, but it will be interesting to see how much I can find out about him and the car.
Oliver.
Oliver.
Dear me, this thread was going along very nicely with like-minded people discussing the relationship between Rochdale Motor Panels and TVR and trying to discover lost cars. When someone has to pop up and make comments that are not true and sometimes rude.
Mr Reid makes the statement “but contrary to what "Rochdale Tony" seems to think ,these early cars had no chassis number” But he does not seem to read the posts correctly. At no time in any of my posts have I used the words “chassis number” nor have I implied any think about “chassis numbers”
He also makes the statement “Tonys "20 series" cars with the wonder of the internet will now be read by regurgitators and soon become fact”. At no time in any of my posts have I used the words “20 series” and as for him using the word regurgitators which literally means "vomitor", that whose job it is to vomit up what it has swallowed” I find very rude and I do not see any need for a word like that in this thread.
I have already been asked by Rich why I referred to the chassis on these cars as second series, I replied with :- ”I know very little about early TVR,s but I am learning as we go along with this thread.
I called these 20 chassis, the second series because I cannot find a designated name for them.
So I decided the first 3 chassis, TVR no 1, 2 and 3 where the first series and the next 20 the second series. I have been waiting for someone to correct me and disclose the designated name for those 20 chassis and then I will correct my assumption.”
I think my answer is self-explanatory and does not cause anyone reading the post to believe “second series” is fact, only for someone to please correct my assumption.
If Mr Reid had read the posts correctly and given us answers to the questions I asked, he would have been more useful and we would not have had these problems. Over the last few months I have spoken on the phone to people like David Hives, Oliver Edwards, Richard Wright owner of TVR number 2 who had meany conversations with Trevor. Mervyn Larner who properly knows more about early TVR,s than anyone. These people I have had interesting and rewarding conversations with. I rang Mr Reid on the 19th, 24th and the 31st of May leaving messages on his answer phone asking for him to ring me back, to date he has not done so.
I think Mr Reid needs to offer me a public apology on this thread for the untrue and rude statements he has made.
Kind regards, Tony Stanton, Compiler of the Rochdale Olympic History Archives.
Ps While I think about it, I know the story about the 3 cars parked outside the TVR factory with TVR 100 number plates on is true because I have heard the story from a few people. But as an ex test driver of development cars I know you do not park 3 cars you are driving about on the road, out on the front of the factory with the same number on so everyone in the world going past can see them. We never had more than one car at a time with the same number on in the workshop in case a Ministry Official or the Police walked in. Also you would not use a distinctive number plate like TVR 100, you are trying to look inconspicuous not drawing attention to the car you are driving. I am guessing, the 3 TVR,s were for a photo shoot. Manufactures would often take a number of different coloured cars with the same distinctive number plate by transporter or on Trade Plates to a location for a photo shoot. Then the Advertising Department would decide which colour car has come out best in the photographs and use those photos in a new Sales Brochure or Press Release. I know I have taken new cars to photo shoots.
I have also spoken to Mervyn Larner about the TVR designated name for those 20 chassis and he said as far as he knew there was not a name given to them. He asked me what name I would give them to avoid confusion, so I said the brochure for the Sports Saloon states that it is a “TVR Multi Tube Chassis Frame to take A40 Front Suspension Units and Rear Axle” so you could call it the “Austin A40 based TVR Chassis” and he said that sounded a good idea. But it is not up to me as a Rochdale historian to make the decision, it is up to the TVR historians to make the decision if they think it is a good idea?
Mr Reid makes the statement “but contrary to what "Rochdale Tony" seems to think ,these early cars had no chassis number” But he does not seem to read the posts correctly. At no time in any of my posts have I used the words “chassis number” nor have I implied any think about “chassis numbers”
He also makes the statement “Tonys "20 series" cars with the wonder of the internet will now be read by regurgitators and soon become fact”. At no time in any of my posts have I used the words “20 series” and as for him using the word regurgitators which literally means "vomitor", that whose job it is to vomit up what it has swallowed” I find very rude and I do not see any need for a word like that in this thread.
I have already been asked by Rich why I referred to the chassis on these cars as second series, I replied with :- ”I know very little about early TVR,s but I am learning as we go along with this thread.
I called these 20 chassis, the second series because I cannot find a designated name for them.
So I decided the first 3 chassis, TVR no 1, 2 and 3 where the first series and the next 20 the second series. I have been waiting for someone to correct me and disclose the designated name for those 20 chassis and then I will correct my assumption.”
I think my answer is self-explanatory and does not cause anyone reading the post to believe “second series” is fact, only for someone to please correct my assumption.
If Mr Reid had read the posts correctly and given us answers to the questions I asked, he would have been more useful and we would not have had these problems. Over the last few months I have spoken on the phone to people like David Hives, Oliver Edwards, Richard Wright owner of TVR number 2 who had meany conversations with Trevor. Mervyn Larner who properly knows more about early TVR,s than anyone. These people I have had interesting and rewarding conversations with. I rang Mr Reid on the 19th, 24th and the 31st of May leaving messages on his answer phone asking for him to ring me back, to date he has not done so.
I think Mr Reid needs to offer me a public apology on this thread for the untrue and rude statements he has made.
Kind regards, Tony Stanton, Compiler of the Rochdale Olympic History Archives.
Ps While I think about it, I know the story about the 3 cars parked outside the TVR factory with TVR 100 number plates on is true because I have heard the story from a few people. But as an ex test driver of development cars I know you do not park 3 cars you are driving about on the road, out on the front of the factory with the same number on so everyone in the world going past can see them. We never had more than one car at a time with the same number on in the workshop in case a Ministry Official or the Police walked in. Also you would not use a distinctive number plate like TVR 100, you are trying to look inconspicuous not drawing attention to the car you are driving. I am guessing, the 3 TVR,s were for a photo shoot. Manufactures would often take a number of different coloured cars with the same distinctive number plate by transporter or on Trade Plates to a location for a photo shoot. Then the Advertising Department would decide which colour car has come out best in the photographs and use those photos in a new Sales Brochure or Press Release. I know I have taken new cars to photo shoots.
I have also spoken to Mervyn Larner about the TVR designated name for those 20 chassis and he said as far as he knew there was not a name given to them. He asked me what name I would give them to avoid confusion, so I said the brochure for the Sports Saloon states that it is a “TVR Multi Tube Chassis Frame to take A40 Front Suspension Units and Rear Axle” so you could call it the “Austin A40 based TVR Chassis” and he said that sounded a good idea. But it is not up to me as a Rochdale historian to make the decision, it is up to the TVR historians to make the decision if they think it is a good idea?
Edited by TSP3 on Monday 11th August 00:42
Sorry Tony, but that IF you feel that Steve needs to back track, then you also need to be clearer in the open forum, you have now, and it was your assumption that 'we all' understood, it did give me (and others) some concern over the presumption that the chassis being designated in the way that you did, BUT, IMHO this is how forum debates work (THIS forum does 99% better in the troll/aggression than any other I see). All I see is Steve raising questions and you giving as good as you get back.
THAT said...the debate (what have you) should go on, and get to speak to Steve, he is a really nice bloke.
Adrian@
PS speaking to John Bailie (factory blurb producer in the day) re. TVR 100 and photo's might help.
PPS LOVE the Austin A40 configuration stuff...more please.
THAT said...the debate (what have you) should go on, and get to speak to Steve, he is a really nice bloke.
Adrian@
PS speaking to John Bailie (factory blurb producer in the day) re. TVR 100 and photo's might help.
PPS LOVE the Austin A40 configuration stuff...more please.
Edited by Adrian@ on Monday 11th August 08:15
Agree with Adrian, everyone can have off and grumpy days, some more often than others (and I know because I can be a right grouch!!). This is an open forum and this is one of the most interesting threads that have run in this section for years. Sometimes written words don't come across the way they would if you met someone in person. There appear to quite a lot of people with some knowledge of early TVRs, and hopefully this can be combined to generate a better understanding, but as Steve says "It was a long time ago", and due to the fact that some people are no longer with us (RIP), we may never know the full picture.
Tony, You have created one of the most stimulating threads on recent times here and we are all very interested in following what you find out. I agree with Adrian and David, it is not always easy to have one's sense of humour or character come across well on internet fora, and this has caused problems on here in the past (although not often).
The Pre 80s gathering will take place in early September and although in recent years there have been a dearth of early cars, (I did see your olympic a couple of years ago!) there might be some people there who have some knowledge. In any case it would be good to see you there (if I can make it!!)
The Pre 80s gathering will take place in early September and although in recent years there have been a dearth of early cars, (I did see your olympic a couple of years ago!) there might be some people there who have some knowledge. In any case it would be good to see you there (if I can make it!!)
I beleive that chassis numbers started before the Grantura was produced, some chassis with no bodies, and chassis with various bodies (including the coupe)had chassis numbers.
http://www.jomar-cars.com/index.html
Astacus said:
Tony, You have created one of the most stimulating threads on recent times here and we are all very interested in following what you find out. I agree with Adrian and David, it is not always easy to have one's sense of humour or character come across well on internet fora, and this has caused problems on here in the past (although not often).
The Pre 80s gathering will take place in early September and although in recent years there have been a dearth of early cars, (I did see your olympic a couple of years ago!) there might be some people there who have some knowledge. In any case it would be good to see you there (if I can make it!!)
Hi Astacus,The Pre 80s gathering will take place in early September and although in recent years there have been a dearth of early cars, (I did see your olympic a couple of years ago!) there might be some people there who have some knowledge. In any case it would be good to see you there (if I can make it!!)
Thank you for your kind words and the invitation to the Pre 80s gathering. Unfortunately at the moment I am in recovery mode from a seriously broken neck and have been bolted in a horrible device called a Halo Frame for the last 6 months and may be still be in it for another 6 months. Poor old “Duffy” is crying her eyes out in the garage because She has not been out since January, as I am not allowed to drive a car.
But on the bright side at least my Rochdale research and the Internet have stopped me from going insane.
As it has been said the history of our early cars was a long time ago, but I was there in the late 1950s and in the 1960s when our funny little fibreglass sports cars where suddenly been taken seriously instead of the poor man’s fibreglass Ford or Austin 7 special. We never thought that in 50 years time people would have a such an interest in them, so very few record were kept. All you enthusiasts under 50 must remember in the 50,s and 60,s most people did not own a camera, if they did it was a B/W Brownie 125, most homes did not even have a Telephone or a TV and audio recorders were great big reel to reel tape decks. But you can now read the Road Tests, Race Reports and For Sale adverts in the old 50,s and 60,s magazines like Autocar, Motor, Autosport and MotorSport, this is where historians find little nuggets of information that tell us the truth about our cars.
I also agree that sometimes written words don't come across the way they would if you met someone in person and it does not help if you are dyslexic like me, but if it was not for Microsoft Word.doc helping me with spelling and grammar I could not write this history.
Kind regards, Tony Stanton, Compiler of the Rochdale Olympic History Archives.
TSP3 said:
Dear me, this thread was going along very nicely with like-minded people discussing the relationship between Rochdale Motor Panels and TVR and trying to discover lost cars. When someone has to pop up and make comments that are not true and sometimes rude.
Mr Reid makes the statement “but contrary to what "Rochdale Tony" seems to think ,these early cars had no chassis number” But he does not seem to read the posts correctly. At no time in any of my posts have I used the words “chassis number” nor have I implied any think about “chassis numbers”
He also makes the statement “Tonys "20 series" cars with the wonder of the internet will now be read by regurgitators and soon become fact”. At no time in any of my posts have I used the words “20 series” and as for him using the word regurgitators which literally means "vomitor", that whose job it is to vomit up what it has swallowed” I find very rude and I do not see any need for a word like that in this thread.
I have already been asked by Rich why I referred to the chassis on these cars as second series, I replied with :- ”I know very little about early TVR,s but I am learning as we go along with this thread.
I called these 20 chassis, the second series because I cannot find a designated name for them.
So I decided the first 3 chassis, TVR no 1, 2 and 3 where the first series and the next 20 the second series. I have been waiting for someone to correct me and disclose the designated name for those 20 chassis and then I will correct my assumption.”
I think my answer is self-explanatory and does not cause anyone reading the post to believe “second series” is fact, only for someone to please correct my assumption.
If Mr Reid had read the posts correctly and given us answers to the questions I asked, he would have been more useful and we would not have had these problems. Over the last few months I have spoken on the phone to people like David Hives, Oliver Edwards, Richard Wright owner of TVR number 2 who had meany conversations with Trevor. Mervyn Larner who properly knows more about early TVR,s than anyone. These people I have had interesting and rewarding conversations with. I rang Mr Reid on the 19th, 24th and the 31st of May leaving messages on his answer phone asking for him to ring me back, to date he has not done so.
I think Mr Reid needs to offer me a public apology on this thread for the untrue and rude statements he has made.
Kind regards, Tony Stanton, Compiler of the Rochdale Olympic History Archives.
Ps While I think about it, I know the story about the 3 cars parked outside the TVR factory with TVR 100 number plates on is true because I have heard the story from a few people. But as an ex test driver of development cars I know you do not park 3 cars you are driving about on the road, out on the front of the factory with the same number on so everyone in the world going past can see them. We never had more than one car at a time with the same number on in the workshop in case a Ministry Official or the Police walked in. Also you would not use a distinctive number plate like TVR 100, you are trying to look inconspicuous not drawing attention to the car you are driving. I am guessing, the 3 TVR,s were for a photo shoot. Manufactures would often take a number of different coloured cars with the same distinctive number plate by transporter or on Trade Plates to a location for a photo shoot. Then the Advertising Department would decide which colour car has come out best in the photographs and use those photos in a new Sales Brochure or Press Release. I know I have taken new cars to photo shoots.
I have also spoken to Mervyn Larner about the TVR designated name for those 20 chassis and he said as far as he knew there was not a name given to them. He asked me what name I would give them to avoid confusion, so I said the brochure for the Sports Saloon states that it is a “TVR Multi Tube Chassis Frame to take A40 Front Suspension Units and Rear Axle” so you could call it the “Austin A40 based TVR Chassis” and he said that sounded a good idea. But it is not up to me as a Rochdale historian to make the decision, it is up to the TVR historians to make the decision if they think it is a good idea?
WOW talk about over reaction, the stuff of Drama Queens! Its difficult to imagine anyone reacting in such a manner about someone mentioning chassis numbers when you didn,t actually do that. You need to calm down, I dont see it as a hanging offence.Mr Reid makes the statement “but contrary to what "Rochdale Tony" seems to think ,these early cars had no chassis number” But he does not seem to read the posts correctly. At no time in any of my posts have I used the words “chassis number” nor have I implied any think about “chassis numbers”
He also makes the statement “Tonys "20 series" cars with the wonder of the internet will now be read by regurgitators and soon become fact”. At no time in any of my posts have I used the words “20 series” and as for him using the word regurgitators which literally means "vomitor", that whose job it is to vomit up what it has swallowed” I find very rude and I do not see any need for a word like that in this thread.
I have already been asked by Rich why I referred to the chassis on these cars as second series, I replied with :- ”I know very little about early TVR,s but I am learning as we go along with this thread.
I called these 20 chassis, the second series because I cannot find a designated name for them.
So I decided the first 3 chassis, TVR no 1, 2 and 3 where the first series and the next 20 the second series. I have been waiting for someone to correct me and disclose the designated name for those 20 chassis and then I will correct my assumption.”
I think my answer is self-explanatory and does not cause anyone reading the post to believe “second series” is fact, only for someone to please correct my assumption.
If Mr Reid had read the posts correctly and given us answers to the questions I asked, he would have been more useful and we would not have had these problems. Over the last few months I have spoken on the phone to people like David Hives, Oliver Edwards, Richard Wright owner of TVR number 2 who had meany conversations with Trevor. Mervyn Larner who properly knows more about early TVR,s than anyone. These people I have had interesting and rewarding conversations with. I rang Mr Reid on the 19th, 24th and the 31st of May leaving messages on his answer phone asking for him to ring me back, to date he has not done so.
I think Mr Reid needs to offer me a public apology on this thread for the untrue and rude statements he has made.
Kind regards, Tony Stanton, Compiler of the Rochdale Olympic History Archives.
Ps While I think about it, I know the story about the 3 cars parked outside the TVR factory with TVR 100 number plates on is true because I have heard the story from a few people. But as an ex test driver of development cars I know you do not park 3 cars you are driving about on the road, out on the front of the factory with the same number on so everyone in the world going past can see them. We never had more than one car at a time with the same number on in the workshop in case a Ministry Official or the Police walked in. Also you would not use a distinctive number plate like TVR 100, you are trying to look inconspicuous not drawing attention to the car you are driving. I am guessing, the 3 TVR,s were for a photo shoot. Manufactures would often take a number of different coloured cars with the same distinctive number plate by transporter or on Trade Plates to a location for a photo shoot. Then the Advertising Department would decide which colour car has come out best in the photographs and use those photos in a new Sales Brochure or Press Release. I know I have taken new cars to photo shoots.
I have also spoken to Mervyn Larner about the TVR designated name for those 20 chassis and he said as far as he knew there was not a name given to them. He asked me what name I would give them to avoid confusion, so I said the brochure for the Sports Saloon states that it is a “TVR Multi Tube Chassis Frame to take A40 Front Suspension Units and Rear Axle” so you could call it the “Austin A40 based TVR Chassis” and he said that sounded a good idea. But it is not up to me as a Rochdale historian to make the decision, it is up to the TVR historians to make the decision if they think it is a good idea?
Edited by TSP3 on Monday 11th August 00:42
Your responce only goes to illustrate your lack of grasp of the english lanuage. To regurgitate does not neccassarily have anything whatsover with vomiting, birds and some animals eat food, semi digest it and make it into a suitable state to feed by regurgitation to their young, its the same food but slightly different from the original. It is possible to regurgitate without the ingestion of any food at all, acid reflux is a form of regurgitation as is the passage of blood back through a faulty heart valve.
My reference to regurgitation is more akin to eating a Pizza and soon later depositing it on the pavement, usually in the early hours of saturday or sunday mornings. It still got tomatoes, cheese and pepperoni, its just not quite the same as it was on the original Pizza. This is what happens with the internet, you write 3 lines about your new designation for TVR chassis sequences, someone googles TVR Chassis, reads the middle of the 3 lines, ignores the other 2 and later passes his interpretation of what you said to someone else. It doesn,t take many reposts until it becomes fact, it must be true its on the internet.
Should we thank you for taking it upon yourself to designate these chassis with your "second series" title, probably not. You have merely regurgitated something you read in a book or on the internet which has no factual basis, were there 20 chassis? how do you know? why should you care?
For whatever reason you seem to be looking for some spurious connection between TVR and Rochdale Motor Panels. I think you have all the knowledge there is to know. RMP sold TVR some resin, catalyst and matting, a few GRP panels and a bodyshell ripped off illegally from another manufacturer, unless of course Connaught gave them permission. Nowadays that activity would have at the very least resulted in litigation and probably the destruction of the moulds and any panels produced from it.
Nowhere do I know of any legal, moral or personal reason why I should reply to your answerphone messages. I dont reply to my ex sisters messages for much the same reason as I didn,t reply to yours. On top of the lack of compulsion I chose to while away my time with my Oncolgist rather than discuss tubs of resin with you.
ALL of my knowledge has been gained from direct contact with the people concerned, often making myself a nuisance mooching around the factory. I used to drink beer on a thursday night with Stan Kilcoyne, the most knowledgable man on early TVR to walk this earth. I visited Trevor in Mahon whilst on holiday......he had been long gone from TVR before I even knew of TVRs. I used to chat to Jack Pickard and Henry Moulds. Stare through the windows of Harrop Motor Company in Alderley Edge and Sports Motors on Plymouth Grove in Manchester dreaming one day of owning a TVR. My history master at Grammar school had a Grantura Mk1 with a supercharged Ford engine which he he used to illustrate basic mechanics during Metalwork classes. I didnt gain my knowledge from reading books or surfing the net. The only surfing in those days involved drinking lots of sea water in Woolacombe.
Over the years I have owned vast numbers of TVRs and in fact 2 Rochdale Olympics amongst many other cars and made lots of friends along the way. No disrespect to Mervyn but his first involvement with a TVR was if I remember correctly a Tasmin Fixed Head in the 1990s, hardly making him an authority in 1950s TVRs.
I never stop learning both about TVRs and several years ago met 2 gentlemen who do have all the knowledge you require gained from their hands on experience by them and their father at the highest level within TVR in period. The same gentlemen gave me a copy of the film of the "TVR Le Mans" effort that they had personally shot on behalf of the factory and a film of the Estate sale of the " Le Mans" Grantura in USA. Thats another story. They unfortunately have no interest in divulging this information into the public forum for their own personal reasons which were not helped by the utter rudeness of several modern day "experts".
In future I will think twice before sharing my knowledge and experiences for fear of upsetting those with a sensitive nature.
Do I owe you an apology? You work it out!
Good luck with your research.
Mr Reid
I have already said I have problems with the written word as I am dyslexic, but I think after reading Mr Reids reply we all know the definition of pompous now.
I was just about to write a post to tell you all what I had found out about TVR/Rochdale Reg Number EFV 748, but I am sure if you ring up Mr Reid he will tell you more than I will ever know. Also ask him about the TVR M Series development car which I was about to tell you all more about. I am sure he will tell you about how he built it and drove it thousands of miles around the country. He may even show you a photo of him driving round in it, my mistake its not Mr Reid thats me driving it.
I think I will continue corresponding with the Marque Registrars and Historians who are happy to share their knowledge with others.
Kind regards
Tony Stanton.
I was just about to write a post to tell you all what I had found out about TVR/Rochdale Reg Number EFV 748, but I am sure if you ring up Mr Reid he will tell you more than I will ever know. Also ask him about the TVR M Series development car which I was about to tell you all more about. I am sure he will tell you about how he built it and drove it thousands of miles around the country. He may even show you a photo of him driving round in it, my mistake its not Mr Reid thats me driving it.
I think I will continue corresponding with the Marque Registrars and Historians who are happy to share their knowledge with others.
Kind regards
Tony Stanton.
Tony Please don't spoil the tread by not sharing what information you have found we all are interested and want to hear your findings.
If I gave up when others either don't agree or they don't like what I share then I would not post anything.
I fully appreciate both sides and if you read all the books written about TVRs and there history you would understand where Mr Reid is coming from.
Much information is out there moth in print and on line that is wrong and that has been due to hear say and poor research.
Even your reference to 20 chassis that where not numbered that number has been banded around so much that it makes it nearly fact and that is in itself in question.
So please share and just like myself take it on the chin.
And thank you for all you have shared
Andrew Gray
PS some of us including Mr Reid don't hide our identities behind an on line name
If I gave up when others either don't agree or they don't like what I share then I would not post anything.
I fully appreciate both sides and if you read all the books written about TVRs and there history you would understand where Mr Reid is coming from.
Much information is out there moth in print and on line that is wrong and that has been due to hear say and poor research.
Even your reference to 20 chassis that where not numbered that number has been banded around so much that it makes it nearly fact and that is in itself in question.
So please share and just like myself take it on the chin.
And thank you for all you have shared
Andrew Gray
PS some of us including Mr Reid don't hide our identities behind an on line name
TSP3 said:
I have already said I have problems with the written word as I am dyslexic, but I think after reading Mr Reids reply we all know the definition of pompous now.
I was just about to write a post to tell you all what I had found out about TVR/Rochdale Reg Number EFV 748, but I am sure if you ring up Mr Reid he will tell you more than I will ever know. Also ask him about the TVR M Series development car which I was about to tell you all more about. I am sure he will tell you about how he built it and drove it thousands of miles around the country. He may even show you a photo of him driving round in it, my mistake its not Mr Reid thats me driving it.
I think I will continue corresponding with the Marque Registrars and Historians who are happy to share their knowledge with others.
Kind regards
Tony Stanton.
Very interesting picture Tony. I was just about to write a post to tell you all what I had found out about TVR/Rochdale Reg Number EFV 748, but I am sure if you ring up Mr Reid he will tell you more than I will ever know. Also ask him about the TVR M Series development car which I was about to tell you all more about. I am sure he will tell you about how he built it and drove it thousands of miles around the country. He may even show you a photo of him driving round in it, my mistake its not Mr Reid thats me driving it.
I think I will continue corresponding with the Marque Registrars and Historians who are happy to share their knowledge with others.
Kind regards
Tony Stanton.
Widebody bonnet, doors have reached M shape…Interesting piece of history and obviously a comparison road test with some of its peers.
N.
Edited by heightswitch on Tuesday 12th August 23:52
prideaux said:
Tony Please don't spoil the tread by not sharing what information you have found we all are interested and want to hear your findings.
If I gave up when others either don't agree or they don't like what I share then I would not post anything.
I fully appreciate both sides and if you read all the books written about TVRs and there history you would understand where Mr Reid is coming from.
Much information is out there moth in print and on line that is wrong and that has been due to hear say and poor research.
Even your reference to 20 chassis that where not numbered that number has been banded around so much that it makes it nearly fact and that is in itself in question.
So please share and just like myself take it on the chin.
And thank you for all you have shared
Andrew Gray
PS some of us including Mr Reid don't hide our identities behind an on line name
+1!If I gave up when others either don't agree or they don't like what I share then I would not post anything.
I fully appreciate both sides and if you read all the books written about TVRs and there history you would understand where Mr Reid is coming from.
Much information is out there moth in print and on line that is wrong and that has been due to hear say and poor research.
Even your reference to 20 chassis that where not numbered that number has been banded around so much that it makes it nearly fact and that is in itself in question.
So please share and just like myself take it on the chin.
And thank you for all you have shared
Andrew Gray
PS some of us including Mr Reid don't hide our identities behind an on line name
Cheers,
David.
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