Early 1600M For sale
Discussion
prideaux said:
As said will be very interesting to see what she makes in some ways these early Vixen/M cars are an interesting period in the M Series Development and would be nice to see her RESTORED to that spec sadly the word Restoration is being used rather liberally these days IMOP a rebuilt modified car is not a restoration even though a beautiful car if done properly which some on here are doing beautifully and a wire brush of the chassis and a lick of paint new brakes shocks and polly bushes and a re spray is not either but is so often described as one.
Obviously this car should be viewed properly to see the condition however we have seen at least two earlier cars selling unseen for 15k that are now having body off rebuilds so who knows.
There is an interesting article coming out in sprint on pre 80s values shortly I believe
A
Interesting view Andy. How would you categorise your TVRs, not restored if I understand your interpretation??Obviously this car should be viewed properly to see the condition however we have seen at least two earlier cars selling unseen for 15k that are now having body off rebuilds so who knows.
There is an interesting article coming out in sprint on pre 80s values shortly I believe
A
i have only been into TVR cars for about 4 Years know and i think imho the Classic models like M's or Vixens should be kept original.
I find it a great pity that you see e.g. a Vixen S4 1300 for sale with a Pinto engine. There was only a handfull made. With a Pinto engine surely it can only be considered a Special now.
I find it a great pity that you see e.g. a Vixen S4 1300 for sale with a Pinto engine. There was only a handfull made. With a Pinto engine surely it can only be considered a Special now.
plasticpig72 said:
i have only been into TVR cars for about 4 Years know and i think imho the Classic models like M's or Vixens should be kept original.
I find it a great pity that you see e.g. a Vixen S4 1300 for sale with a Pinto engine. There was only a handfull made. With a Pinto engine surely it can only be considered a Special now.
indeed possibly the worst engine to drop in one. although as long as the modification is nothing that cant be easily put back to original i dont have too much of a problem.I find it a great pity that you see e.g. a Vixen S4 1300 for sale with a Pinto engine. There was only a handfull made. With a Pinto engine surely it can only be considered a Special now.
I think I'd still rather see these cars being used even with the wrong engine rather than locked away in garages as 100% original.
mind you i do have 1/2 an idea to swap the twin 40s for TB's and a supercharger hehe
plasticpig72 said:
i have only been into TVR cars for about 4 Years know and i think imho the Classic models like M's or Vixens should be kept original.
I find it a great pity that you see e.g. a Vixen S4 1300 for sale with a Pinto engine. There was only a handfull made. With a Pinto engine surely it can only be considered a Special now.
On the basis that the car I think you refer to has been up for sale for quite a while, it may suggest that your thinking is with the majority of folk!I find it a great pity that you see e.g. a Vixen S4 1300 for sale with a Pinto engine. There was only a handfull made. With a Pinto engine surely it can only be considered a Special now.
this one needs some tender care too...
doesn't coast that much though.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C455576
doesn't coast that much though.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C455576
Graham said:
plasticpig72 said:
i have only been into TVR cars for about 4 Years know and i think imho the Classic models like M's or Vixens should be kept original.
I find it a great pity that you see e.g. a Vixen S4 1300 for sale with a Pinto engine. There was only a handfull made. With a Pinto engine surely it can only be considered a Special now.
indeed possibly the worst engine to drop in one. although as long as the modification is nothing that cant be easily put back to original i dont have too much of a problem.I find it a great pity that you see e.g. a Vixen S4 1300 for sale with a Pinto engine. There was only a handfull made. With a Pinto engine surely it can only be considered a Special now.
I think I'd still rather see these cars being used even with the wrong engine rather than locked away in garages as 100% original.
mind you i do have 1/2 an idea to swap the twin 40s for TB's and a supercharger hehe
But if i bought the Vixen S4 1300 i would have to fit a 1300 engine.
I am the same with my 2 Lotus Elans, i could bring myself to fit a Zetec engine
Mr Tiger said:
green tyres, always a good sign...........I agree, £6100 is a fair amount of cash for an M needing work, although the estimate was £7000 - £9000.
I remember just over a year ago, a 1600M being advertised on PistonHeads for about £6000 or £6500. It was black with a silver roof, 1972, original bill of sale, original Ford engine warranty and MOT'd from what I remember. Not surprisingly it sold quickly. It reappeared soon after with a dealer for about £9000 and sold after a while. I didn't save any pics unfortunately.
Both great looking cars.
I wish the new owner luck and look forward to hopefully seeing photos and a write up of the completed car.
Chris
I remember just over a year ago, a 1600M being advertised on PistonHeads for about £6000 or £6500. It was black with a silver roof, 1972, original bill of sale, original Ford engine warranty and MOT'd from what I remember. Not surprisingly it sold quickly. It reappeared soon after with a dealer for about £9000 and sold after a while. I didn't save any pics unfortunately.
Both great looking cars.
I wish the new owner luck and look forward to hopefully seeing photos and a write up of the completed car.
Chris
prideaux said:
Hi Chris
I just hope its not a dealer in this case as there is really no meat on her at that price and anything they would do would be a cosmetic clean and get her running and an MOT from there Friendly MOT centre.
Then Pop her up again at 10k and in fairness that done she probably would look good as its amazing what a good Valet etc can do to a car that's been sitting that long but its not what the car deserves and needs.
When I bought the Taimar crashed a Dealer said rather than restore why not just do a cheap accident repair and a good clean up MOT and move it on.
And at some times over the last year I wish I had but that's not saving these cars properly I hope we hear some good news about her soon
A
Andy,I just hope its not a dealer in this case as there is really no meat on her at that price and anything they would do would be a cosmetic clean and get her running and an MOT from there Friendly MOT centre.
Then Pop her up again at 10k and in fairness that done she probably would look good as its amazing what a good Valet etc can do to a car that's been sitting that long but its not what the car deserves and needs.
When I bought the Taimar crashed a Dealer said rather than restore why not just do a cheap accident repair and a good clean up MOT and move it on.
And at some times over the last year I wish I had but that's not saving these cars properly I hope we hear some good news about her soon
A
The amount of time and money that folk are prepared to put into a restoration is an odd one. The decision with the head would see many M series cars scrapped as cost to do a full rebuild on an M properly is disproportionate to what the car is worth - even with folk asking big prices and folk on here bigging the values up. The smaller the engine the worse that gets.
I belive that it's the decisions made with the heart that keep our cars on the road and sees so many of them starting to be restored to a good standard.
We are rebuilding an M and the direction the rebuild is going was a decision made with head and not heart (before purchase). I have for a long time been a member of the keep it standard (but could get my head around updating) group.
My TVR driving wife can't even get to grips with the updating....
but to take on a nut and bolt rebuild of a 1973 M that was in need of the nut and bolt thing did not make financial sense (others doing the work). Our scales were tipped when a SBF where the Essex engine lived was brought into the equation, the rational, and I believe it stands scrutiny, being that a well rebuilt V8M will be worth something like what it cost to build. So it's work in progress.A 1600M at this kind of money, if it needs substantial rebuild work to near enough standard - even if you do the work yourself, will always be a decision made with the heart.
I hope whoever bought it enjoys it and is not disappointed with their purchase, and if it goes to a dealer who intends to get some profit, good luck.
Mr Tiger said:
I remember just over a year ago, a 1600M being advertised on PistonHeads for about £6000 or £6500. It was black with a silver roof, 1972, original bill of sale, original Ford engine warranty and MOT'd from what I remember. Not surprisingly it sold quickly. It reappeared soon after with a dealer for about £9000 and sold after a while. I didn't save any pics unfortunately.
Both great looking cars.
I saved them on my PC, I have 12 pictures of that car incl some document pictures, here are a few.Both great looking cars.
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