Another Griffith in Belgium
Discussion
Its a Tuscan….
I think it just serves other purposes in todays market to call it a Griffith…
This car is lovely and old but was crashed and comprehensively re-built in 67 / 68 with a new body and chassis hence the F plate.. at the time it served the interests of the owners and the factory to re-register the car as a new 67 Tuscan… So that is what it is….a 67 Tuscan. The 65 Griffith died when the body and chassis were scrapped.
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I think it just serves other purposes in todays market to call it a Griffith…
This car is lovely and old but was crashed and comprehensively re-built in 67 / 68 with a new body and chassis hence the F plate.. at the time it served the interests of the owners and the factory to re-register the car as a new 67 Tuscan… So that is what it is….a 67 Tuscan. The 65 Griffith died when the body and chassis were scrapped.
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Edited by Dollyman1850 on Monday 17th November 08:14
IT..IS..A..TUSCAN! IT…WAS…. REGISTERED….IN… 1967… AS… A…. TUSCAN…BY…. THE…. FACTORY.
THIS…WAS...AFTER… BEING… BUILT…WITH…A…NEW…1967 BODY….AND….CHASSIS….!!
A car Registered in 1967 cannot become a car made in 1964/5 despite any amount of history re-writing..
Had the factory repaired the old car and returned it to the road as a 64 Griffith then it would be a 64 Griffith…The owner at the time wanted a new 67 car and that is what he got..The system was bucked at the time and the new identity given because not enough of the original car existed to retain its old one.
I have now decided on a new name for mine..
TVR Hematite.
COZ Thats what it started out as!!
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THIS…WAS...AFTER… BEING… BUILT…WITH…A…NEW…1967 BODY….AND….CHASSIS….!!
A car Registered in 1967 cannot become a car made in 1964/5 despite any amount of history re-writing..
Had the factory repaired the old car and returned it to the road as a 64 Griffith then it would be a 64 Griffith…The owner at the time wanted a new 67 car and that is what he got..The system was bucked at the time and the new identity given because not enough of the original car existed to retain its old one.
I have now decided on a new name for mine..
TVR Hematite.
COZ Thats what it started out as!!
N.
Edited by Dollyman1850 on Monday 17th November 16:20
So the big question:
With all this history or lack of originality which ever way you want to look at this, does this effect the price? Do you consider this to be a race car where originality does not always count rather than the actual competitive car you end up with.
This clearly is not a griffith 200 as that car died, the present car was built with very few of the original griffith parts.
Is this a bargain or should you just convert your own vixen?
With all this history or lack of originality which ever way you want to look at this, does this effect the price? Do you consider this to be a race car where originality does not always count rather than the actual competitive car you end up with.
This clearly is not a griffith 200 as that car died, the present car was built with very few of the original griffith parts.
Is this a bargain or should you just convert your own vixen?
The big question is value to some!
The big question to me is about not re-writing history.
The car is old, The car is lovely. The car has value.
But! Some people want to call it a Griffith because they want it to be be perhaps 20k more than it actually is..The values of these cars are purely to do with how much someone wants to pay to buy a competitive pre66 Fia racing car.
Why is an S1 vixen worth 6 times less than a Griffith? Its rarer. Its made from the same parts save for Rear diff, gearbox and Engine and last time I looked a boat anchor cast iron ford v8 wasn't 50k!!
So why isn't a vixen S1worth £50k..Simple No one is prepared to pay 50k for one.
Its the People who want to spout bulls
t to artificially increase value that I don't have time for.
To me historic car racing is about racing historic cars..Historic means OLD. not just looking OLD. Altered and Old, Modified and Old, Converted and OLD..Its all the same..The constant should be OLD.
That car is a nice Tuscan. In my book it should be allowed to race in the spirit of the historic regs but no amount of re-writing history will change that it is a 67 car called a Tuscan.
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The big question to me is about not re-writing history.
The car is old, The car is lovely. The car has value.
But! Some people want to call it a Griffith because they want it to be be perhaps 20k more than it actually is..The values of these cars are purely to do with how much someone wants to pay to buy a competitive pre66 Fia racing car.
Why is an S1 vixen worth 6 times less than a Griffith? Its rarer. Its made from the same parts save for Rear diff, gearbox and Engine and last time I looked a boat anchor cast iron ford v8 wasn't 50k!!
So why isn't a vixen S1worth £50k..Simple No one is prepared to pay 50k for one.
Its the People who want to spout bulls
t to artificially increase value that I don't have time for.To me historic car racing is about racing historic cars..Historic means OLD. not just looking OLD. Altered and Old, Modified and Old, Converted and OLD..Its all the same..The constant should be OLD.
That car is a nice Tuscan. In my book it should be allowed to race in the spirit of the historic regs but no amount of re-writing history will change that it is a 67 car called a Tuscan.
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http://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1967-tvr-tuscan...
I have read that the Tuscan is a better car than Griffith, which would make sense as most manufacturers do improve as they introduce new models
I have read that the Tuscan is a better car than Griffith, which would make sense as most manufacturers do improve as they introduce new models
Its best to not try to intermingle Racing regulations with Classic cars…and I am certainly no expert.
All old TVR's whether re-built, Old and Original or modified and new are great things in their own way.
Racing is about building a car to a set of rules..
The bit that irks me is deliberately misleading people to get them to pay more for something which isn't accurately described.
Is the 67 Tuscan a worthy car. Definitely. is it worth the money..Thats up to someone who wants to buy it and what the person who wants to sell it wants to let it go for.
Would it make a good racing car. Definitely
Would it make an FIA car…possibly. but the story shouldn't be made up and altered just to go racing in Pre 66 Fia events
Its a soapbox session for me every time…But I still get annoyed at the irony that dictates my Original 68 brazed chassis, 68 Body built to the correct sizes and tolerances cannot race in Fia events as an HTP car.
HTP turned into a Farce and turned me off any impulse to go racing in anything other than fun club based racing.
Theyre even writing about it in the Telegraph….
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motorsport/107...
All old TVR's whether re-built, Old and Original or modified and new are great things in their own way.
Racing is about building a car to a set of rules..
The bit that irks me is deliberately misleading people to get them to pay more for something which isn't accurately described.
Is the 67 Tuscan a worthy car. Definitely. is it worth the money..Thats up to someone who wants to buy it and what the person who wants to sell it wants to let it go for.
Would it make a good racing car. Definitely
Would it make an FIA car…possibly. but the story shouldn't be made up and altered just to go racing in Pre 66 Fia events
Its a soapbox session for me every time…But I still get annoyed at the irony that dictates my Original 68 brazed chassis, 68 Body built to the correct sizes and tolerances cannot race in Fia events as an HTP car.
HTP turned into a Farce and turned me off any impulse to go racing in anything other than fun club based racing.
Theyre even writing about it in the Telegraph….
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motorsport/107...
Edited by Dollyman1850 on Monday 17th November 17:58
I saw this car in some youtube movie( can not find it anymore) ; I think this car is still in Holland somewhere, but advertised via a company in Belgium : it has the same numberplate as the red one one that Tiff Needell drove in Top Gears 50 years TVR Celebration(1997); so it must be the same TVR ;body color changed , although the interior with wooden dash was unchanged
look at this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jux8lG8M4wQ from 6min.24
badge at the rear says "Griffith 200 " and this car was in the Griffith register too( btw what happened with the TVr Griffith Register)
badge at the rear says "Griffith 200 " and this car was in the Griffith register too( btw what happened with the TVr Griffith Register)
i found some youtube links of this TVR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lugXn9mQXcU&li...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWHoOhl3c6k&in...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlUD6Uyo4a4&li... ( with noise from the V8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lugXn9mQXcU&li...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWHoOhl3c6k&in...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlUD6Uyo4a4&li... ( with noise from the V8)
TDC-belgium said:
look at this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jux8lG8M4wQ from 6min.24
badge at the rear says "Griffith 200 " and this car was in the Griffith register too( btw what happened with the TVr Griffith Register)
good find :-) badge at the rear says "Griffith 200 " and this car was in the Griffith register too( btw what happened with the TVr Griffith Register)
indeed diffrent colour and another engine-hood/cover.
TDC-belgium said:
look at this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jux8lG8M4wQ from 6min.24
badge at the rear says "Griffith 200 " and this car was in the Griffith register too( btw what happened with the TVr Griffith Register)
It is still alive and well.badge at the rear says "Griffith 200 " and this car was in the Griffith register too( btw what happened with the TVr Griffith Register)
Best,
D.
The Registry, how does it work these days? The list of cars/owners
used to be available online?
The site on http://www.griffithclub.com/has no links or contacts
and hasn´t been updated for quite some time now.
I´d like to come in contact with other Griffith owners
and curious if someone could point me in the right direction.
Thanks
used to be available online?
The site on http://www.griffithclub.com/has no links or contacts
and hasn´t been updated for quite some time now.
I´d like to come in contact with other Griffith owners
and curious if someone could point me in the right direction.
Thanks
Wow! This is a wake-up call for us. We've been busy restoring a Series 400 for a customer here in the colonies and haven't been online for some time.In looking down the list of notes in this section I noticed that the subject came up regarding the Griffith Registry. We do have an active registry but since there were a few attempts to "fill in the holes in the wall" we have kept it as confidential.
Just yesterday I found one that seems to be for sale in Spain but hasn't passed the smell test just yet.
I am often asked to match up a car that is on the market and a potential customer but now that the prices have gone skyward those matches are fewer between.
One of the biggest factors in this price rise is that EVERYTHING SHELBY has gone bonkers in pricing and therefore the Sunbeam Tigers and now the early Griffiths are willing bait for the "Powered by Ford" followers.
We'll try to get some more current information on the website but this is a one-man operation and we are performing a juggling act with a lot of balls in the air.
I have seen that 200/5/043 is on the block in Belgium but cannot seem to locate the site where it, and I believe a second Griffith, is being offered.
Just yesterday I found one that seems to be for sale in Spain but hasn't passed the smell test just yet.
I am often asked to match up a car that is on the market and a potential customer but now that the prices have gone skyward those matches are fewer between.
One of the biggest factors in this price rise is that EVERYTHING SHELBY has gone bonkers in pricing and therefore the Sunbeam Tigers and now the early Griffiths are willing bait for the "Powered by Ford" followers.
We'll try to get some more current information on the website but this is a one-man operation and we are performing a juggling act with a lot of balls in the air.
I have seen that 200/5/043 is on the block in Belgium but cannot seem to locate the site where it, and I believe a second Griffith, is being offered.
They are both for sale in the classified ads on this site or you can go to the dealers site at
http://www.albionmotorcars.com/forsale/index
http://www.albionmotorcars.com/forsale/index
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