FiA historic technical passport

[terenceb]

Fiscracer said:

terenceb said:

The only reason that the Griffs were granted papers is becase of a photograph that had (allegedly) been taken of a car competing at Brands in (alleged) 1965.It was partially hidden by the known E-Type that was just in front of it, it was assumed to have been an "international" event because of the Jag being there.

Half baked as usual Richard. Suggest you stick to MGBs and 10/10ths


Glad to see you havent lost any of your arrogant nature Dick.
Who was talking about GM?
As you have quoted, Jim is probably the best source of info on Griffs-exactly where I got the photo and information from about four years ago.
Would suggest that just for once, you get off of your high horse and give your arse a rest! And stop repeating what others have already said, its boring!


Getti

Edited by terenceb on Monday 22 December 06:35

Edited by terenceb on Monday 22 December 06:51

[tvrmallorca]

Determined to try and get more tvr's recognised by the FIA.... It's all for a good cause

[terenceb]

Quite frankly I think your about to start a very long journey.As already has been said about cut off dates etcetera.If you can find proof of international competition (it can be a domestic event but have the international lable) in period, then thats great, go for it.Be prepared for a lot of hassle from the powers that be simply because there are quite a few sets of htp papers that have been disallowed, AFTER being granted or TVRs.Theres has been sooooo much cheating with tvrs the MSA/FIA did not know what to do so withdrawing papers seemed to be the easiest option.
I personally have been involved in acquiring papers for both the 1995/6 Spa 6 hr winning cars, Mongoose and another thoroughly historic Griff (documented proof from day one!) As indeed the full rebuilds of said cars, plus a 3000m.After starting the enquiries into the M, it was decided by the owner not to proceed as we could not find any relevant info on the type.
I wish you the very best of luck with your quest.

[tvrmallorca]

Just have to say it a matter of convincing the FIA that the tVR brand deserves more recognition I historic racing events. Excluding such cars is a shame.... After all I belive in exceptions to the rule and sometimes that works. If I can prove that TVRs have raced then that half of the battle. Understand everyone's points about the negatives. But as community it's better as a group the just n individual... I'm sure this thread will get lots of deserved attention.... All I can say where there is a will there will be a way.

Thanks for all the information so far. I'm building a file and then the plan will be to arrange a little meeting with the FIA....have a few contacts that think I might have to use to get that meeting.

[RobMk2a]

Taken from Ten Tenths Chris Meek Lotus, Colin Blower and Stewart Halstead 3000m at Donington Support race for European F2.

Using the same logic as the Brands Hatch Redex race is this evidence of 3000m's taking part in a FIA sanctioned race meeting.

Rob

[RobMk2a]

Not international but see extract from article in October 1976 Motorsports Magazine on Prodsports - TVR's Chris Aldford 1600m and Rod Gretton 3000m, but I think ChrisMeek also ran the ex Chris Aldford 1600m. Colin Blower also ran a 3000s.

I think Chris Meek has / had an interest in Mallory Park so he may be able to help. Chris Aldford used to sell racing cars - someone on here will probably have contact details.

Rob

[RobMk2a]

Again not international but I think BRSCC from an article on Pistonheads.

I think the Red 3000m is John Kent.

John Britten's garage also ran M series cars. Unfortunately a quick google search shows John died in 2009.

I guess Martin Lilley would be the best source of info.

Regards

Rob

Edited by RobMk2a on Monday 22 December 11:49

[terenceb]

RobMk2a said:

Not international but see extract from article in October 1976 Motorsports Magazine on Prodsports - TVR's Chris Aldford 1600m and Rod Gretton 3000m, but I think ChrisMeek also ran the ex Chris Aldford 1600m. Colin Blower also ran a 3000s.

I think Chris Meek has / had an interest in Mallory Park so he may be able to help. Chris Aldford used to sell racing cars - someone on here will probably have contact details.

Rob

Unfortunately the actual participated race has to have the "international"lable, MSA will not accept proof even if the race was part of an international meeting, ie, a supporting race included in the international is not acceptable whereas IF the race tvr's competed in had a title like The International TVR Challenge, that would do it.Been down this route before and MSA are just not interested Im afraid.

[Adrian@]

I know of many people who have attempted and given up on this quest...
Adrian@

[davepen]

terenceb said:

MSA are just not interested Im afraid.

Could the OP use a more local FIA signatory?

[terenceb]

He could by all means, problem of proof still exist's though.Without any proof it will still be a huge task.

[Fiscracer]

terenceb said:

Fiscracer said:

terenceb said:

The only reason that the Griffs were granted papers is becase of a photograph that had (allegedly) been taken of a car competing at Brands in (alleged) 1965.It was partially hidden by the known E-Type that was just in front of it, it was assumed to have been an "international" event because of the Jag being there.

Half baked as usual Richard. Suggest you stick to MGBs and 10/10ths


Glad to see you havent lost any of your arrogant nature Dick.
Who was talking about GM?
As you have quoted, Jim is probably the best source of info on Griffs-exactly where I got the photo and information from about four years ago.
Would suggest that just for once, you get off of your high horse and give your arse a rest! And stop repeating what others have already said, its boring!


Getti

Edited by terenceb on Monday 22 December 06:35

Edited by terenceb on Monday 22 December 06:51

Get your facts right and I won't comment.

You are forever putting out misinformation on fora - allegedly ;-). I suppose it makes you feel important but I suggest you go back to sweeping the floor at CMS or wherever you are sweeping in Germany now

[terenceb]

Facts right? Misinformation? Thats classic for someone known for such things in your beloved mgcc.Now go away and sulk in your corner and dont come out till youve grown up.Oh , and please dont come back to the Ring, they cant afford you crashing into another rescue vehical.CMS? Typicly way behind the times arn't we, only four years since it closed.
Merry Xmas.

Edited by terenceb on Monday 22 December 18:47

[Dollyman1850]

Now Now Boys..peace and goodwill to all men and all that.
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Terence. I feel I need to correct you.. The TVR was in front of the Jaguar. I suspect this is why they have so much trouble being allowed to race in an unfettered manner….They are also generally in front of Astins, Cobras and Ferraries.



I think the Criterion by which cars are accepted is worthy of further discussion. The race meeting in which the Redex ran was an international event. Anyone have a set of criteria published by the Fia?

Edited by Dollyman1850 on Monday 22 December 19:07

[terenceb]

Yes, as can be seen in the photogragh, tvr indicating left pressumably to let the E past? I also have a second shot just after the E went past.;)

[Dollyman1850]

http://www.sportscardigest.com/wp-content/uploads/...

Does nothing in america count, a bit earlier than an M.

[terenceb]

For some peculiar reason it doesn't count.No idea why as no one at msa/fia seemed to know either.Personally I would have thought America to be international??

[DavidY]

RobMk2a said:

That is not period, ride height and modern sticky rubber a bit of a giveaway!!!

[RobMk2a]

You are quite right- looks like 70's Roadsports in the HSCC.

The other photos are contemporary.

Regards

Rob

[Monsun]

Yes, that's Julian Barter's car although whether he will still be driving it next year remains to be seen.

Had a brief chat with him at Croft and I got the impression that he is getting a bit fed up with being beaten too often by a certain Lotus Europa.