5 speed T9 mounting
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TVRMs said:
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that's interresting, could you tell us what box you put in your 3000M Race Car so we can share info please
AlanT5 with quiafe internals and quick shift.
That seems like a lot of effort in a 5000M for such a Marginal box plasticpig72 said:
TVRMs said:
Lots of effort for such a marginal gearbox?
hi john,that's interresting, could you tell us what box you put in your 3000M Race Car so we can share info please
Alan
N.
Dollyman1850 said:
TVRMs said:
M
that's interresting, could you tell us what box you put in your 3000M Race Car so we can share info please
AlanT5 with quiafe internals and quick shift.
That seems like a lot of effort in a 5000M for such a Marginal box plasticpig72 said:
TVRMs said:
Lots of effort for such a marginal gearbox?
hi john,that's interresting, could you tell us what box you put in your 3000M Race Car so we can share info please
Alan
N.
Theres nowt wrong with a Type 9 in a reasonably standard 3000M…Millions of Capris, Granadas and Sierras gave trouble free service for many years…all with 150 - 160hp
The T5 is actually quite a notchy box in comparison and doesn't really shift quite so well…
if you aren't Tuning to race car levels then the old Type 9 is perfectly adequate.
T5 only really reliable up to about 300 - 350hp then it too can give problems unless built with a few tweaks…
whats wrong with a good old fashioned and period correct 4 speeder anyway??
N.
The T5 is actually quite a notchy box in comparison and doesn't really shift quite so well…
if you aren't Tuning to race car levels then the old Type 9 is perfectly adequate.
T5 only really reliable up to about 300 - 350hp then it too can give problems unless built with a few tweaks…
whats wrong with a good old fashioned and period correct 4 speeder anyway??
N.
Dollyman1850 said:
Theres nowt wrong with a Type 9 in a reasonably standard 3000M…Millions of Capris, Granadas and Sierras gave trouble free service for many years…all with 150 - 160hp
The T5 is actually quite a notchy box in comparison and doesn't really shift quite so well…
if you aren't Tuning to race car levels then the old Type 9 is perfectly adequate.
T5 only really reliable up to about 300 - 350hp then it too can give problems unless built with a few tweaks…
whats wrong with a good old fashioned and period correct 4 speeder anyway??
N.
None of the cars you note are sports cars.The T5 is actually quite a notchy box in comparison and doesn't really shift quite so well…
if you aren't Tuning to race car levels then the old Type 9 is perfectly adequate.
T5 only really reliable up to about 300 - 350hp then it too can give problems unless built with a few tweaks…
whats wrong with a good old fashioned and period correct 4 speeder anyway??
N.
I'll trust what you say on the T5. I'm sure is first hand knowledge.....
From my actual experience. IMHO...
BEST shifter is the original HD 4 speed as on Essex and Colognes (Type 5?). It's beautiful, nice smooth shift, no notchiness, and gate just about right for stick travel, quick synchro, can shift quickly.
5 speed Type 9 is very close, nice shift, but a little notchier, and 5th is a little awkward sometimes, synchro slightly more obvious in its operation, but not a lot. Remember type 9 was derived from a different box than the HD 4 speed. Probably the weakest of the three. Earlier versions were known for layshaft wear on Cologne V6s.
T5 - (non WC) slower changes, can feel the synchro working, travel a bit long, shared reverse and 5th gate can cause a 'lock' in fast shifts (yes, it's probably my error, but still). Not nearly as slick as the Ford boxes, but still good for road use, you just get used to a gentler action on the stick. T5 strongest of three, even the non WC ones.
That's my opinion of course, your experience may vary, drivers' angles, seating etc. arm length! all vary.
BEST shifter is the original HD 4 speed as on Essex and Colognes (Type 5?). It's beautiful, nice smooth shift, no notchiness, and gate just about right for stick travel, quick synchro, can shift quickly.
5 speed Type 9 is very close, nice shift, but a little notchier, and 5th is a little awkward sometimes, synchro slightly more obvious in its operation, but not a lot. Remember type 9 was derived from a different box than the HD 4 speed. Probably the weakest of the three. Earlier versions were known for layshaft wear on Cologne V6s.
T5 - (non WC) slower changes, can feel the synchro working, travel a bit long, shared reverse and 5th gate can cause a 'lock' in fast shifts (yes, it's probably my error, but still). Not nearly as slick as the Ford boxes, but still good for road use, you just get used to a gentler action on the stick. T5 strongest of three, even the non WC ones.
That's my opinion of course, your experience may vary, drivers' angles, seating etc. arm length! all vary.
Edited by RCK974X on Monday 7th September 21:18
TVRMs said:
None of the cars you note are sports cars.
I'll trust what you say on the T5. I'm sure is first hand knowledge.....
All heavier though John and placed a higher demand on the box…I'll trust what you say on the T5. I'm sure is first hand knowledge.....
The shift on my newer car was awful…in comparison to the 4 speed I have now…
The type 9 was a lovely shifting box but built for a purpose..
Plenty of first hand experience…
I haven't always owned old crocks you know
I also shifted gears quite a lot with T5's many moons before TVR started using them.
Also have lots of experience with v early griffith boxes
Agree with everything Andy says above...
What are you putting in your 5000M ?
N.
Edited by Dollyman1850 on Monday 7th September 21:17
Edited by Dollyman1850 on Monday 7th September 21:22
Adrian@ said:
There is a perfectly acceptable version that can be purchased (in effect a 2.9 version of the box but in a 2.8 casing) for use on the back of a Essex V6, the 2.9 is rated at 180 BHP and I doubt many V6's 'actually' run that BHP.
Adrian@
I agree, I believe the 2.8 boxes got longer roller bearings for layshaft, which helped a bit, the 2.9 (2.8 Scorpio?) got a revised layshaft front bearing setup, which was a lot better. Adrian@
BUT for normal road use, I reckon a type 9 would be just fine - Vixens and M are quite a bit lighter than a Granny/Sierra after all - just make sure you check box out as much as poss, or get new bearings.... It's also quite a bit smaller,narrower, and lighter than a T5, and gearstick position is much closer to original boxes. T5 would probably need a remote shifter ? (not sure about that)
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