5 speed T9 mounting

5 speed T9 mounting

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plasticpig72

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1,647 posts

149 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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TVRMs said:
Lots of effort for such a marginal gearbox?
hi john,
that's interresting, could you tell us what box you put in your 3000M Race Car so we can share info please
Alan

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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plasticpig72 said:
TVRMs said:
Lots of effort for such a marginal gearbox?
hi john,
that's interresting, could you tell us what box you put in your 3000M Race Car so we can share info please
Alan
T5 with quiafe internals and quick shift.

Dollyman1850

6,318 posts

250 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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TVRMs said:
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plasticpig72 said:
TVRMs said:
Lots of effort for such a marginal gearbox?
hi john,
that's interresting, could you tell us what box you put in your 3000M Race Car so we can share info please
Alan
T5 with quiafe internals and quick shift.
That seems like a lot of effort in a 5000M for such a Marginal box biggringetmecoat

N.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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bluezeeland said:
TVRMs said:
Lots of effort for such a marginal gearbox?
Always look on the bright side of life, John....
I do Frank, I'm only outwardly miserable ... wink

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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Dollyman1850 said:
TVRMs said:
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plasticpig72 said:
TVRMs said:
Lots of effort for such a marginal gearbox?
hi john,
that's interresting, could you tell us what box you put in your 3000M Race Car so we can share info please
Alan
T5 with quiafe internals and quick shift.
That seems like a lot of effort in a 5000M for such a Marginal box biggringetmecoat

N.
No one mentioned 5000m Neil.

plasticpig72

Original Poster:

1,647 posts

149 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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for cruising along the Brittany coastline the T9 is not soo bad (pas trôp mal)laugh
A+ Alan

bluezeeland

1,965 posts

159 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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TVRMs said:
bluezeeland said:
TVRMs said:
Lots of effort for such a marginal gearbox?
Always look on the bright side of life, John....
I do Frank, I'm only outwardly miserable ... wink
Maybe an Affligem would help ? biggrin

Dollyman1850

6,318 posts

250 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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Enough talk of these toy boxes…proper box..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gcDyxFk8Rc

N.

plasticpig72

Original Poster:

1,647 posts

149 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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that's what i like about you Dollyman no beating about the bush and straight to the point, no faffing like me
Alan

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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bluezeeland said:
TVRMs said:
bluezeeland said:
TVRMs said:
Lots of effort for such a marginal gearbox?
Always look on the bright side of life, John....
I do Frank, I'm only outwardly miserable ... wink
Maybe an Affligem would help ? biggrin
Always worth a try I guess...


smile

Dollyman1850

6,318 posts

250 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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Theres nowt wrong with a Type 9 in a reasonably standard 3000M…Millions of Capris, Granadas and Sierras gave trouble free service for many years…all with 150 - 160hp
The T5 is actually quite a notchy box in comparison and doesn't really shift quite so well…
if you aren't Tuning to race car levels then the old Type 9 is perfectly adequate.

T5 only really reliable up to about 300 - 350hp then it too can give problems unless built with a few tweaks…

whats wrong with a good old fashioned and period correct 4 speeder anyway?? wink

N.


anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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Dollyman1850 said:
Theres nowt wrong with a Type 9 in a reasonably standard 3000M…Millions of Capris, Granadas and Sierras gave trouble free service for many years…all with 150 - 160hp
The T5 is actually quite a notchy box in comparison and doesn't really shift quite so well…
if you aren't Tuning to race car levels then the old Type 9 is perfectly adequate.

T5 only really reliable up to about 300 - 350hp then it too can give problems unless built with a few tweaks…

whats wrong with a good old fashioned and period correct 4 speeder anyway?? wink

N.
None of the cars you note are sports cars.

I'll trust what you say on the T5. I'm sure is first hand knowledge.....



RCK974X

2,521 posts

149 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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From my actual experience. IMHO...

BEST shifter is the original HD 4 speed as on Essex and Colognes (Type 5?). It's beautiful, nice smooth shift, no notchiness, and gate just about right for stick travel, quick synchro, can shift quickly.

5 speed Type 9 is very close, nice shift, but a little notchier, and 5th is a little awkward sometimes, synchro slightly more obvious in its operation, but not a lot. Remember type 9 was derived from a different box than the HD 4 speed. Probably the weakest of the three. Earlier versions were known for layshaft wear on Cologne V6s.

T5 - (non WC) slower changes, can feel the synchro working, travel a bit long, shared reverse and 5th gate can cause a 'lock' in fast shifts (yes, it's probably my error, but still). Not nearly as slick as the Ford boxes, but still good for road use, you just get used to a gentler action on the stick. T5 strongest of three, even the non WC ones.

That's my opinion of course, your experience may vary, drivers' angles, seating etc. arm length! all vary.

Edited by RCK974X on Monday 7th September 21:18

Dollyman1850

6,318 posts

250 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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TVRMs said:
None of the cars you note are sports cars.

I'll trust what you say on the T5. I'm sure is first hand knowledge.....
All heavier though John and placed a higher demand on the box…

The shift on my newer car was awful…in comparison to the 4 speed I have now…

The type 9 was a lovely shifting box but built for a purpose..

Plenty of first hand experience…



I haven't always owned old crocks you know wink

I also shifted gears quite a lot with T5's many moons before TVR started using them.



Also have lots of experience with v early griffith boxes smile



wink

Agree with everything Andy says above...

What are you putting in your 5000M ?

N.


Edited by Dollyman1850 on Monday 7th September 21:17


Edited by Dollyman1850 on Monday 7th September 21:22

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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If you mean the V8 engined m series car we are building, a properly built T5.

its no hassle, the box going in is not marginal.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 7th September 21:42

plasticpig72

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1,647 posts

149 months

Tuesday 8th September 2015
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TVRMs said:
If you mean the V8 engined m series car we are building, a properly built T5.

its no hassle, the box going in is not marginal.

Edited by TVRMs on Monday 7th September 21:42

i imagine the price is not marginal alsolaugh

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 8th September 2015
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You're correct in your assumption smile

However If you were spending quite serious cash building a car, would you not make sure there were no issues before it turned a wheel?

(I think I know the answer)

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 8th September 20:25

RCK974X

2,521 posts

149 months

Tuesday 8th September 2015
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Adrian@ said:
There is a perfectly acceptable version that can be purchased (in effect a 2.9 version of the box but in a 2.8 casing) for use on the back of a Essex V6, the 2.9 is rated at 180 BHP and I doubt many V6's 'actually' run that BHP.
Adrian@
I agree, I believe the 2.8 boxes got longer roller bearings for layshaft, which helped a bit, the 2.9 (2.8 Scorpio?) got a revised layshaft front bearing setup, which was a lot better.

BUT for normal road use, I reckon a type 9 would be just fine - Vixens and M are quite a bit lighter than a Granny/Sierra after all - just make sure you check box out as much as poss, or get new bearings.... It's also quite a bit smaller,narrower, and lighter than a T5, and gearstick position is much closer to original boxes. T5 would probably need a remote shifter ? (not sure about that)

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 9th September 2015
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Sounds like I should retract my earlier statement relating to it being marginal?

GAjon

3,734 posts

213 months

Wednesday 9th September 2015
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You can modify the normal 4 speed gear stick to suit a T5 in an M. the throw is still quite long but not to far away from the standard but it will chew up the gaiter eventually.