How much????

[Banky]

RobMk2a said:

Owen,

We should probably start another thread but I think I may have a bit more history including Silverstone Relay Oulton Park Goodwood TT and Spa. However, I'm not entirely clear on the identity of Paddy Gaston's car at various races and whether it was APH 223B or X PG 1. I'll do a bit more digging to see if I can identify the correct races.

Spa



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Silverstone

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Hello guys
You will struggle with identifying which car did which as PG used identities of both and EFR on all 3 cars to avoid issues (taxes I believe) when moving around Europe to race

XPG1 was/is the lightweight car later raced by Rod Longton. Almost everything else is difficult to prove

APH remains the most enjoyable car I ever raced mind you!

[RobMk2a]

Ian,

Thanks for posting, I'm sure APH is fantastic to drive, I'm not trying to cast doubt on how great a car it is! I also understand it may be coming to the market soon.

I'm trying to collate a comprehensive history of TVR Grantura race entries, whilst I agree it is difficult to determine which car raced in certain events, sources such as the photos on Stanford University Revs Gallery may help to identify certain unique features.

Do you have any records for race entires for X PG, EFR and APH so I can cross reference the details I've found so far.

Kind regards

Rob Pennington

[RobMk2a]

RobMk2a said:

Hopefully as the new FIA 'compliant' car has a new chassis and body what's left of the old car is sitting in a shed?

In a similar manner a number of original style Griffith bodies have recently appeared on race cars direct. It does seem that FIA's rules are not exactly encouraging the preservation of original cars.

I suppose the HTP rule appears to allows new 'continuation' cars, under this rule do you need an original identity or could you race a completely new car.

Rob

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Andrew Gray posted a link to eBay for the body - I don't know full details but on the face of it seems a shame to break up original car so you can race a silhouette.

[Thurner Fan]

RobMk2a said:

Puzzling. The rear end of the body shell looks to be later Mk3 rather than 1800S?

TF

[RobMk2a]

Could the piece leaning against the wall under the bonnet be part of the original 1800s Kamm tail?

Rob

[Fiscracer]

Thurner Fan said:

Puzzling. The rear end of the body shell looks to be later Mk3 rather than 1800S?

TF

Well that is the ridiculous thing. The FIA are saying no kamm tailed Grantura raced in period F so the Ashworth car has been rebodied as a round tail. However all the period shots are from the front and like you TF, it is impossible to tell!

Why anyone would have raced a car that was effectively 2 years old in period nobody has explained to me.

Here is another picture of the body when it was attached

[Thurner Fan]

Fiscracer said:

Well that is the ridiculous thing. The FIA are saying no kamm tailed Grantura raced in period F so the Ashworth car has been rebodied as a round tail. However all the period shots are from the front and like you TF, it is impossible to tell!

I was just puzzled that the discarded body appeared to be Mk3, so why discard it? But Rob has since pointed out the 'extra' bit lurking in the photo. Maybe it was a first attempt at a conversion of the original but in the end it was decided just to have a new one made. Odd to then adverstise the surgically altered original as an 1800S body though.

Not really sure of the point you're making. If we set aside the fact that we don't agree with the FIAs rules on eligibility, it does seem quite logical for them to insist on proof positive. Otherwise the floodgates would be opened to all sorts of claims of period validity (across the board, not just TVRs).

Personally, I have not yet seen a period F photo of a Grantura being raced in an * international * race where there is doubt as to the rear body shape. But, if you have one then do please post it here as I am sure it would help the debate.

TF

[RobMk2a]

APH 223B is now advertised for sale on race cars direct.

With regards TF's post as posted earlier in this thread Tommy Entwistle raced his 1800s in 1965 but as yet I've not come across an International event.

Rob

Edited by RobMk2a on Friday 15th April 09:43

[Gregor Marshall]

RobMk2a said:

I'm trying to collate a comprehensive history of TVR Grantura race entries, whilst I agree it is difficult to determine which car raced in certain events, sources such as the photos on Stanford University Revs Gallery may help to identify certain unique features.

Do you have any records for race entires for X PG, EFR and APH so I can cross reference the details I've found so far.

Rob - I have all my late father's races collated, which includes 9 races in an 1800/1800S/Grantura MK3/MK3 1800 - they used a couple of different model descriptions in the entries back then!!
I think I know which car he raced in each race, XPG1, LHV41D, etc.

[Gregor Marshall]

Dollyman1850 said:

Gerry Marshall worked for Robbie Gordon and James Boothby and got to drive James Boothbys Grantura.. This was when he was spotted by a certain Martin Lilley and around the time he went to work at Barnet motor company….The rest is History…
Gerry became business partner with john Wingfield I think and they were very close friends.
John was killed in a F5000 race at Thruxton in 76 I think.

I dare say Gregor will pop in to fill in the gaps.
N.

Edited by Dollyman1850 on Wednesday 25th November 23:25

I'm not sure if Robbie was involved with James Boothby or not, I know the first time Dad met Robbie was on the roads, going towards Cambridge, Robbie in a brand new AC Cobra and Dad in the Twini (Dad taking it to Newtune to have a double Cooper engine upgrade), where they raced each other for quite a few miles until the Twini threw a belt and Dad had to pull over, with Robbie pulling over to check all okay and also not believing the performance of a little Mini and they became friends. Robbie is still alive and well and lives in Somerset and James Boothby's son Robert is down in Haywards Heath.
When Martin Lilley had Barnet Motor Company, Robbie Gordon went to work there also.
John Wingfield was one of Dad's best friends and Dad raced his car before they became business partners.

[Gregor Marshall]

Sorry to reawaken this thread, as funnily enough in the last week I have been in touch with Cheshire Classics reference this car, as my Dad definitely raced it and sold it to Peter Clarke, but I'm 99.9% sure he did not race this car in the BOAC 500, as I believe that was LHV41D.
http://people.zeelandnet.nl/serel/18001.htm

[Dollyman1850]

Gregor Marshall said:

Sorry to reawaken this thread, as funnily enough in the last week I have been in touch with Cheshire Classics reference this car, as my Dad definitely raced it and sold it to Peter Clarke, but I'm 99.9% sure he did not race this car in the BOAC 500, as I believe that was LHV41D.
http://people.zeelandnet.nl/serel/18001.htm

Which makes this topical. One of my favourite shots of the big man…

[RobMk2a]

Gregor Marshall said:

Rob - I have all my late father's races collated, which includes 9 races in an 1800/1800S/Grantura MK3/MK3 1800 - they used a couple of different model descriptions in the entries back then!!
I think I know which car he raced in each race, XPG1, LHV41D, etc.

Gregor,

I've yet to compile full information on 1800s' and Griffith but would would be very interested to see which car(s) and where your father raced.

Please send me an email.

Regards

Rob