Vixen S2 Nylon bushes

Vixen S2 Nylon bushes

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BillC99

Original Poster:

348 posts

160 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2016
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Hi all, what is the general consensus regarding the use of nylon bushes for a car that is not going to be used on the track?
Is there any advantage for road use or will it make the ride too firm?

Cheers

Bill

Grantura MKI

817 posts

158 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2016
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Neil will be along directly to send you in the proper direction.
Best,
D.

Andrew Gray

4,969 posts

149 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2016
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Grantura MKI said:
Neil will be along directly to send you in the proper direction.
Best,
D.
Will That be along with yet another picture of his car before the crash
A

RCK974X

2,521 posts

149 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2016
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From the wedge forum, consensus is that the polybushes give a firmer ride, improve steering etc. but can be a bit harsh over some surfaces. This is probably true for Vixens as well ?

Generally I guess that fits with what you get for bushes with a bit less compliance than the originals.

Astacus

3,382 posts

234 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2016
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You will hear as many views on this topic as there are posters on this board. I have asked the same question in the past and I am told that poly bushes are likely to lead to quite a harsh ride for a road car. They are intended to be less compliant than rubber. I was also told that mounting the diff I n polybushes is likely to make the drive train slightly more noisey.

I would also point out that rubber bushes are readily available and cheap, and are what the car was designed to use. They are also a pain to replace.

That said, I have polys because they came with the car. I may well switch back to rubber before I put the car on the road. But I am perverse.




davegt6

92 posts

187 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2016
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The OP asked about nylon bushes not poly bushes.

Nylon bushes are very hard and also cannot cope with misalignment. The standard TVR suspension is not engineered to high tolerances and you will probably experience binding issues with nylon bushes unless you are prepared to do a lot of work in ensuring everything aligns perfectly. Fine for track use where hours are spent in building and setting up and where suspension movement is limited, controlled and deflection causes handling issues under extreme load. Personally for road use I'd say not necessary, probably more trouble than they are worth and more likely to cause issues due to lack of compliance on bumpy road surfaces.

As for Poly bushes, from personal experience poly bushes are actually generally a lower shore rating than metalastic (rubber with bonded steel tube insert) bushes. Therefore they are actually more compliant. In addition a metalastic bush does not exhibit a linear rating as the rubber twists it becomes progressively stiffer therefore the effective shore rating is variable. I think the benefit of poly bushes is that they don't suffer the degredation that metalastic do and are very easy to fit plus cope with high misalignment. For a home builder of a road car the polybush is a no brainer.

RCK974X

2,521 posts

149 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2016
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Oops - nylon is not the same as polybushes ?? I didn't know that.

So racers use [hard] nylon inserts ? Ok.

But the wedgers still reckon the ride is firmer, which doesn't seem to tally with a more compliant bush, unless

1) as you said, metalastik response is not linear, so small bumps would be 'handled'.
2) perhaps the original bushes were knackered.


Edited by RCK974X on Wednesday 3rd February 23:51

Astacus

3,382 posts

234 months

Thursday 4th February 2016
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Ah, OK as you were I also thought polys and nylon were the same thing...

The point about compliance and fit in an old TVR chassis is well made though.

Astacus

3,382 posts

234 months

Thursday 4th February 2016
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Ah, OK as you were I also thought polys and nylon were the same thing...

The point about compliance and fit in an old TVR chassis is well made though.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 4th February 2016
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I tried to press the bushes out of the Vixen diff with an assortment of sockets in a vice and used a steel pipe on the vice handle to get extra (massive) leverage.

Bang

I'm on the ground with blood all over the shop. The vice jaws snapped.

So I burnt the bushes out wearing a face bandage.

RCK974X

2,521 posts

149 months

Thursday 4th February 2016
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V6Pushfit said:
I tried to press the bushes out of the Vixen diff with an assortment of sockets in a vice and used a steel pipe on the vice handle to get extra (massive) leverage.
Bang
I'm on the ground with blood all over the shop. The vice jaws snapped.
So I burnt the bushes out wearing a face bandage.
Nasty.
Sort of been there - not a vice, but a home made thing with a long screw thread.....socket at one end.
I still have the scar....on my hand.

I took mine to get a shop to do it - I thought they would cover area in WD40/penetrating oil, and wait a bit, then the 20 ton press.... but NO, they burnt the buggers out too....and pressed in the new ones to push out the old shell.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 4th February 2016
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I broke my nose as was pulling on the lever when it went. I would never advise anybody to try anything other than burning out!

Andrew Gray

4,969 posts

149 months

Thursday 4th February 2016
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V6Pushfit said:
I broke my nose as was pulling on the lever when it went. I would never advise anybody to try anything other than burning out!
Don't worry Al there is always a solution wink


Fiscracer

585 posts

210 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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Polybushes every time but don't go higher than 80 shore if you want a reasonable ride. Having said that ride is more determined by suspension and tyre aspect ratio. Many TVRs are sprung very hard to overcome the inherent deficiencies of the chassis.

Nylatron is used on some race cars not nylon. It has graphite in it and self lubricates. It's very harsh and may well lead to chassis fatigue when used on a road TVR

HTH

280i

160 posts

152 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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Who makes the nicest polybushes? There seems to be a few manufacturers that makes kits for vixens. I imagine the quality varies.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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280i said:
Who makes the nicest polybushes? There seems to be a few manufacturers that makes kits for vixens. I imagine the quality varies.
Superflex do fantastic yellow ones

RCK974X

2,521 posts

149 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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Yellow ? I though they were all blue (or is that how the shore rating is done ?)

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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RCK974X said:
Yellow ? I though they were all blue (or is that how the shore rating is done ?)
Mine are yellow, oops actually they are Durafex ones!

RCK974X

2,521 posts

149 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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