Vixen, What carburettor should I have?

[Andrew Gray]

Dollyman1850 said:

V6Pushfit said:

32/36 may be a better bet? Bit more on the first choke and was fitted to the Capri GT, they go for about £60 on the flea and

The trouble with getting second hand stuff is that there could be a load of hassle to get it to work properly. The 32/36 were made for all sorts of OHV and OHC fords of the period with a myriad of jetting combinations.
I think sticking with the original carb and having a session with an old school mechanic that understands carbs and jets will most likely be the way forward..It may just need a good service, especially if it has been sitting around unused for a long period. I would start with sticking the carb in an ultrasonic cleaner to give it a good clean out.

Unless of course the OP wants to take other advise and throw his perfectly good engine away to source a later Escort 711M block and start from scratch

When did the OP ask about twin 40's anyhow? Must have missed that one.

Here is a gratuitous pic of a spunky looking but not relevant carb


N.

Neil all i will say is remember what i said in September?
Andrew

[anonymous-user]

Dollyman1850 said:

V6Pushfit said:

32/36 may be a better bet? Bit more on the first choke and was fitted to the Capri GT, they go for about £60 on the flea and

The trouble with getting second hand stuff is that there could be a load of hassle to get it to work properly. The 32/36 were made for all sorts of OHV and OHC fords of the period with a myriad of jetting combinations.
I think sticking with the original carb and having a session with an old school mechanic that understands carbs and jets will most likely be the way forward..It may just need a good service, especially if it has been sitting around unused for a long period. I would start with sticking the carb in an ultrasonic cleaner to give it a good clean out.

Unless of course the OP wants to take other advise and throw his perfectly good engine away to source a later Escort 711M block and start from scratch

When did the OP ask about twin 40's anyhow? Must have missed that one.

Here is a gratuitous pic of a spunky looking but not relevant carb


N.

28/36 interchangeable chokes

[anonymous-user]

I personally like the 32/36 and was as OE as the rest and would need rejetting like the rest. I personally don't like twin 40's at all at this point in time so mine will stew for a bit under the bench.
The twin chokes also work fine with a mechanical pump so that cuts out a chunk of faffing on a 'spare time soup up'

[Dollyman1850]

Andrew Gray said:

Dollyman1850 said:

V6Pushfit said:

32/36 may be a better bet? Bit more on the first choke and was fitted to the Capri GT, they go for about £60 on the flea and

The trouble with getting second hand stuff is that there could be a load of hassle to get it to work properly. The 32/36 were made for all sorts of OHV and OHC fords of the period with a myriad of jetting combinations.
I think sticking with the original carb and having a session with an old school mechanic that understands carbs and jets will most likely be the way forward..It may just need a good service, especially if it has been sitting around unused for a long period. I would start with sticking the carb in an ultrasonic cleaner to give it a good clean out.

Unless of course the OP wants to take other advise and throw his perfectly good engine away to source a later Escort 711M block and start from scratch

When did the OP ask about twin 40's anyhow? Must have missed that one.

Here is a gratuitous pic of a spunky looking but not relevant carb


N.

Neil all i will say is remember what i said in September?
Andrew

I distinctly remember that you said you were going to stop posting irrelevant information for people and taking the subject matter away from the question asked so as to be able to post pics of your cars

I have edited my post to show a service kit for the DGV which is a good carb on a perfectly adequate engine with a perfectly sound block that the OP wants to make run a bit sweeter. (without feeling the need to tune to 140 plus HP)

Also re-reading the original post. The description of the top end running could be an indication of the diaphragm having a pin hole or breaking down.
N


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Edited by Dollyman1850 on Sunday 29th January 21:25

Edited by Dollyman1850 on Sunday 29th January 21:29

[Andrew Gray]

Dollyman1850 said:

Andrew Gray said:

Dollyman1850 said:

V6Pushfit said:

32/36 may be a better bet? Bit more on the first choke and was fitted to the Capri GT, they go for about £60 on the flea and

The trouble with getting second hand stuff is that there could be a load of hassle to get it to work properly. The 32/36 were made for all sorts of OHV and OHC fords of the period with a myriad of jetting combinations.
I think sticking with the original carb and having a session with an old school mechanic that understands carbs and jets will most likely be the way forward..It may just need a good service, especially if it has been sitting around unused for a long period. I would start with sticking the carb in an ultrasonic cleaner to give it a good clean out.

Unless of course the OP wants to take other advise and throw his perfectly good engine away to source a later Escort 711M block and start from scratch

When did the OP ask about twin 40's anyhow? Must have missed that one.

Here is a gratuitous pic of a spunky looking but not relevant carb


N.

Neil all i will say is remember what i said in September?
Andrew

I distinctly remember that you said you were going to stop posting irrelevant information for people and taking the subject matter away from the question asked so as to be able to post pics of your cars

I have edited my post to show a service kit for the DGV which is a good carb on a perfectly adequate engine with a perfectly sound block that the OP wants to make run a bit sweeter. (without feeling the need to tune to 140 plus HP)

Also re-reading the original post. The description of the top end running could be an indication of the diaphragm having a pin hole or breaking down.
N

I think you might have had a Memory loss
A little tip when you edit something if you delete the last edit note at the bottom of a thread then you only ever have one edit note at the bottom.
Andrew

[Dollyman1850]

Andrew Gray said:

Dollyman1850 said:

Andrew Gray said:

Dollyman1850 said:

V6Pushfit said:

32/36 may be a better bet? Bit more on the first choke and was fitted to the Capri GT, they go for about £60 on the flea and

The trouble with getting second hand stuff is that there could be a load of hassle to get it to work properly. The 32/36 were made for all sorts of OHV and OHC fords of the period with a myriad of jetting combinations.
I think sticking with the original carb and having a session with an old school mechanic that understands carbs and jets will most likely be the way forward..It may just need a good service, especially if it has been sitting around unused for a long period. I would start with sticking the carb in an ultrasonic cleaner to give it a good clean out.

Unless of course the OP wants to take other advise and throw his perfectly good engine away to source a later Escort 711M block and start from scratch

When did the OP ask about twin 40's anyhow? Must have missed that one.

Here is a gratuitous pic of a spunky looking but not relevant carb


N.

Neil all i will say is remember what i said in September?
Andrew

I distinctly remember that you said you were going to stop posting irrelevant information for people and taking the subject matter away from the question asked so as to be able to post pics of your cars

I have edited my post to show a service kit for the DGV which is a good carb on a perfectly adequate engine with a perfectly sound block that the OP wants to make run a bit sweeter. (without feeling the need to tune to 140 plus HP)

Also re-reading the original post. The description of the top end running could be an indication of the diaphragm having a pin hole or breaking down.
N

I think you might have had a Memory loss
A little tip when you edit something if you delete the last edit note at the bottom of a thread then you only ever have one edit note at the bottom.
Andrew

Andrew.
I remember well our eyes meeting across the car park…..Your moving elegantly in my direction…..Your stoop down towards me and with outstretched hand... You took me in hand whilst gripping fervently with a vulcan like death grip…Staring directly into your eyes I heard the delicate irish lilt……I was transfixed….Neil you said. All this animosity is not good for the marque!! I went weak at the Knees Andrew. For weeks after our meeting I couldn't get you out of my mind. I thought I was over you but I still feel the strongest feelings!

N.

[phazed]

Guys. Just finished a family thing and have come back to all these replies! Thanks.

First, I will go over the carb thoroughly and hopefully get the car running better with whatever I find wrong with it.

Secondly, from the info given, the 32/36 carb should give a little more performance?

As for the twin 40s, once I have shaken down this little car I will be thinking about its future.

I've a lot to do over the next couple of months on my Chim, (full engine rebuild, box refurb etc, etc) do will squeeze in the carb works sooner than later.

Gonna have a little look at the links now.

Thanks again.

[anonymous-user]

Dollyman1850 said:

Andrew.
I remember well our eyes meeting across the car park…..Your moving elegantly in my direction…..Your stoop down towards me and with outstretched hand... You took me in hand whilst gripping fervently with a vulcan like death grip…Staring directly into your eyes I heard the delicate irish lilt……I was transfixed….Neil you said. All this animosity is not good for the marque!! I went weak at the Knees Andrew. For weeks after our meeting I couldn't get you out of my mind. I thought I was over you but I still feel the strongest feelings!

N.

Can you two please stop flaunting yourselves in public it's very off putting. This latest outpouring of affection may have been generated by more photos of Andrews cars than a sane man can take to the point of knowing the position of every nipple nut and ball shim thickness but Neil you need to detune your desires in that direction so here's something to help:



But no touching I saw her first

[Andrew Gray]

Dollyman1850 said:

Andrew.
I remember well our eyes meeting across the car park…..Your moving elegantly in my direction…..Your stoop down towards me and with outstretched hand... You took me in hand whilst gripping fervently with a vulcan like death grip…Staring directly into your eyes I heard the delicate irish lilt……I was transfixed….Neil you said. All this animosity is not good for the marque!! I went weak at the Knees Andrew. For weeks after our meeting I couldn't get you out of my mind. I thought I was over you but I still feel the strongest feelings!

N.

Well rest assured you took your medication and recovered
Andrew

[Dollyman1850]

V6Pushfit said:

Dollyman1850 said:

Andrew.
I remember well our eyes meeting across the car park…..Your moving elegantly in my direction…..Your stoop down towards me and with outstretched hand... You took me in hand whilst gripping fervently with a vulcan like death grip…Staring directly into your eyes I heard the delicate irish lilt……I was transfixed….Neil you said. All this animosity is not good for the marque!! I went weak at the Knees Andrew. For weeks after our meeting I couldn't get you out of my mind. I thought I was over you but I still feel the strongest feelings!

N.

Can you two please stop flaunting yourselves in public it's very off putting. This latest outpouring of affection may have been generated by more photos of Andrews cars than a sane man can take to the point of knowing the position of every nipple nut and ball shim thickness but Neil you need to detune your desires in that direction so here's something to help:



But no touching I saw her first

Quite!
So to summarise….

Try an overhaul kit first as per link.
Check for pin hole or degrading in pump diaphragm..
If its choking itself on harder acceleration than this could be a sign of a blocked partially clogged accelerator pump jet…
All these could be because the car has sat with float bowls full of unleaded which can cause deposits to build up…
Consider a strip and a clean in an ultrasonic tank. with jets out.

Finally if replacing the carb then go with a DCD.

You may also want to check the operation of the PCV valve if still fitted but probably OK since you would be breathing heavily.

N.

Edited by Dollyman1850 on Sunday 29th January 22:37

[phazed]

V6Pushfit said:

1964 Austin 1100, my first ever car, loved it only 'cause it was my first!

Just found this, seems very useful.

http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?t=97346

[phazed]

Just browsing on the silly and found this.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WEBER-CARB-CARBURETTOR-3...

Is this a sensible upgrade before I start messing around with my old carburettor, (cost aside)?

If so, this seems to be the correct model I believe?

[Dollyman1850]

phazed said:

Just browsing on the silly and found this.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WEBER-CARB-CARBURETTOR-3...

Is this a sensible upgrade before I start messing around with my old carburettor, (cost aside)?

If so, this seems to be the correct model I believe?

Yes.

BUT! I have heard stories that these carbs are now mass produced in foreign lands and sometimes have wrong jets installed and swarf inside them I have seen pics of similar supplied which needed a full strip, clean and re-build before they would work effectively.
They are as simple a carb as you can get so I would spend £18 first and take the top off the old one….Chances are it is just a diaphragm or something simple.

Dishwasher is nearly as good as an ultrasonic cleaner ;-)

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[phazed]

As for the condition of the engine. It was fully rebuilt by power crazy less than 2000 miles ago and had a rebore, new rings, new camshaft and a reconditioned head and valves amongst other things with the engine given a full going over .
These works were carried out by the previous owner.

So given the above, I'm sure that it is a carburettor problem. Of course I will be checking the ignition timing to make sure that all available horses are utilised.

While on the subject, can someone let me know what the ignition timing is on this engine?

[Dollyman1850]

phazed said:

Just browsing on the silly and found this.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WEBER-CARB-CARBURETTOR-3...

Is this a sensible upgrade before I start messing around with my old carburettor, (cost aside)?

If so, this seems to be the correct model I believe?

Yes.

BUT! I have heard stories that these carbs are now mass produced in foreign lands and sometimes have wrong jets installed and swarf inside them I have seen pics of similar supplied which needed a full strip, clean and re-build before they would work effectively.
They are as simple a carb as you can get so I would spend £18 first and take the top off the old one….Chances are it is just a diaphragm or something simple.
If you are buying make sure it is Gen weber and not a chinese weber.

Dishwasher is nearly as good as an ultrasonic cleaner ;-)

N.

N.

[phazed]

Dollyman1850 said:

Yes.

BUT! I have heard stories that these carbs are now mass produced in foreign lands and sometimes have wrong jets installed and swarf inside them I have seen pics of similar supplied which needed a full strip, clean and re-build before they would work effectively.
They are as simple a carb as you can get so I would spend £18 first and take the top off the old one….Chances are it is just a diaphragm or something simple.

Dishwasher is nearly as good as an ultrasonic cleaner ;-)

N.

N.

Will do. The carburettor was stripped this morning into its components.

I will chuck it in the dishwasher tomorrow while my wife is at work, ha ha.

You are quite right about the dishwasher, I did various parts from my V8 a couple of weeks ago and they came out fantastic.

[Astacus]

Dollyman1850 said:

Dishwasher is nearly as good as an ultrasonic cleaner ;-)

N.

N.

But do first ensure that your wife doesn't have any sharp knifes handy!

[phazed]

Some I prepared earlier.

[77racing]

Just so you all know the car was originally fitted with a Lotus Twin Cam from factory. The engine in the car now is from as already said Capri or Cortina GT, been allotted to the car many many years ago.

[TwinKam]

77racing said:

Just so you all know the car was originally fitted with a Lotus Twin Cam from factory. The engine in the car now is from as already said Capri or Cortina GT, been allotted to the car many many years ago.

Well there's your problem and solution in one, Peter. You just HAVE to return it to factory spec... start saving!
And yes, it will have to have a pair of sidedrafts... Webers or Dellortos?