Vixen 302Ci/Tuscan racing spec

[nickinafrica]

I worked on the original Tuscan Paul had, and the 302 motor was from a F5000, he offered me a drive up Harewood hillclimb, I declined!!!!, as far as I am aware the cars were only used for hillclimb events. I emigrated to South Africa in 1981, and Paul built another car with a supercharger and completely different rear suspension using Jag IRS rear up-rights.
I lost contact with Paul after 1986, but man, he could drive.

[jellison]

About a year to have it road able - raceable a bit longer. It is down to every nut and bolt.

Chassis coming together over next month or so.

[Turbster]

Nice one Mine's been down that far, wouldn't do it any other way for a race car. But I've nothing else to race now so it's urgent! Started last May and as we stand the body's being painted and the chassis and engine are being built up..

[jellison]

Turbster said:

Nice one Mine's been down that far, wouldn't do it any other way for a race car. But I've nothing else to race now so it's urgent! Started last May and as we stand the body's being painted and the chassis and engine are being built up..

How about doing a few Thoroubbred races a shot this year.

I am only doing about 3, Brands Silv Historic Gp and one other most likely. Will you Tuscan be Daft type spec? Presume Mark Campbell is the target

[Terminator]

nickinafrica said:

I lost contact with Paul after 1986, but man, he could drive.

I last saw Paul in the mid 1990s, when he bought a Vixen S4 from me, 'for his sons to play with'.

It must have had a V8 implant by now, surely?

[Turbster]

Yeah fancied doing a Thoroughbreds after watching a race a Silverstone a few years back, but found out the Scimitar wasn't eligible, I'll look at doing one this year..

He's definitely the target, finished 2nd and 3rd behind him but still not in the same timezone

As daft as I'm allowed spec wise, sticking with the 289, all forged except crank, ally heads, running 11.5:1 comp with a solid cam, main girdle etc. Dyno program says just over 400@6800, but we'll have to see how accurate that is. Rear end is 3.77 powerlock with ally uprights and quaife quills. Vented fronts with Wilwood 4 pots, probably solid disc rears. No body mods allowed so 7J wheels..

Edited by Turbster on Friday 29th January 20:37

[jellison]

Scim not allowed! Weird. Just as period as a TVR3000M and they can run.

I could enquire some more if you like.

So my TVR would be too modded for the CSCC then, wide arches even though I might run 7" rims, rest is like yours but 302 bottom end. Similar fronk brakes.

You are allowed rear disc's - they never had them as std?!

[heightswitch]

jellison said:

Scim not allowed! Weird. Just as period as a TVR3000M and they can run.

I could enquire some more if you like.

So my TVR would be too modded for the CSCC then, wide arches even though I might run 7" rims, rest is like yours but 302 bottom end. Similar fronk brakes.

You are allowed rear disc's - they never had them as std?!

I am pretty sure that as long as the original sillouhette of the car isn't changed then it will be OK to run with wider rear arches. (unless of course they are starting to get arsey there as well)? I am planning to run mine with the M sections so really I don't see how a griff could run without wider arches on baloons? the rules I believe state that mildly flared arches are OK as long as the overall shape stays the same. other than that the CSCC have quite limited rules to allow fun racing.

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[Turbster]

I had to do a lot of work to the Scim as it was a hillclimb car with 8" split rims and wide arches, this included taking the arches off and putting a standard back end on. Arches run in period seem ok i.e. MGC sebring etc. My mate runs a Marcos and asked for slight rear extensions and it wasn't allowed. Seems it's the only strict rule other than original engine block there is, and silhouette means the body remains unaltered, no arches, bonnet bulges or spoilers in my experience. I'd ask as I think the Griffs I've seen racing in Swinging Sixties have standard arches running 205/60/15 Yokos..

Rear discs no problem though, brakes are free.

Didn't actually ask anyone regarding the Scim in Thoroughbreds, just read the list of eligible cars... Might have got a race if I'd asked??

[jellison]

Turbster said:

I had to do a lot of work to the Scim as it was a hillclimb car with 8" split rims and wide arches, this included taking the arches off and putting a standard back end on. Arches run in period seem ok i.e. MGC sebring etc. My mate runs a Marcos and asked for slight rear extensions and it wasn't allowed. Seems it's the only strict rule other than original engine block there is, and silhouette means the body remains unaltered, no arches, bonnet bulges or spoilers in my experience. I'd ask as I think the Griffs I've seen racing in Swinging Sixties have standard arches running 205/60/15 Yokos..

Rear discs no problem though, brakes are free.

Didn't actually ask anyone regarding the Scim in Thoroughbreds, just read the list of eligible cars... Might have got a race if I'd asked??

If you fancy the first at Brands it is a 30min one - up from the usual 20. I'm sure you could run.

Thta is a nuts set of rules. I.e. brakes are free. So you can put discs at the rear where they never were but can't have mildly flared arches ala what has been allowed to run in fia events for the last 15-20 years!!

I have seem some Griff's and Tuscan in the CSCC at Brands last year with 225/60x15's - can't remember if flared arched. But mild ones to allow 7" rims in I'm sure owuld not be noticed. The wider old style fia rears might raise a few eye brows, but that next to a slightly flared rear!

I'm only doing TSCC anyway so make no odds for me and a while before my V8 will be out.

What kind of time do you do at Brands in teh Scim?

Wonder if my mate could pop a cage in his! Ginganinga

[Turbster]

Sure a subtle flare wouldn't be a problem, any of the FIA stuff would be. Sold the Scim now, so the TVR's the only option and Brands will be a bit early. One of the later Silverstone ones more likely.
Never really got a good run at Brands, been once for my first ever race and split an oil cooler on the grid!
Looking at others times I'd say a high 55 would be about right if I'd gone last year..

[TVR_owner]

I've been looking at places to play this year. Car is accepted by CSCC future classics, but TSCC is a non starter due to gearbox (T5 does not retain original casing) and bonnet buldge somthing the CSCC have allowed.

TSCC regs seem to tend towards to HSCC or ?.

[Turbster]

That's me out of TSCC too then.. Future classics seems a bit more flexible on the silhouette rule.

Edited by Turbster on Sunday 31st January 12:01

[jellison]

TVR_owner said:

I've been looking at places to play this year. Car is accepted by CSCC future classics, but TSCC is a non starter due to gearbox (T5 does not retain original casing) and bonnet buldge somthing the CSCC have allowed.

TSCC regs seem to tend towards to HSCC or ?.

Please don't swear. The HSCC is TOSH - they are just road cars with cages and fire extinquishers - zero room to develop a car - total rubbish (that is just my opinion though )! TSCC are as open as CSCC, just in different areas they seem to say no. You can have moderate flares on cars to allow you to get 7" rims in, Fastest car is Roy McCarthy's MGBGT which has very sublte flaring to hide 7's. Yep TSCC does not allow 8's though. You can run free engine up to size limits and free front brakes (rears if disc fitted as std), they are about as flexible as each other.

I'm sure you could run the TVR in the top class wit the T5. They are making my TR4 go up 2!! classes in 2011 just cos I run 92 instead of 89mm pistons (it then has Zero chance, it is just about fast enough to run near the front in C but not really be able to challenge for the win in C unless on a real tight track (maybe only Brands). Weird TSCC allow mild flares or fia wings but only 7" rims under them while the CSCC allow 8's I think on certain car (I maybe wrong). Steve Watton did well in his Beast in 06 on 8's but that was when they allowed and an invitation class (he had 8's and cleaned up), but then they changed the rulles to allow class C and D to run with 7" instead of all cars max at 6", so Steve went to 7's and a bit slower (more around McCarthys pace - but he only did a few races before he sold the car - a real pity - it was a Total Beast.

We have the Griff of Roger Connel still there and he has now gone to 7" rims and race about 400bhp and mild flares.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6956513324... Hard at the front! (In the 4)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-481872091... Roger figures a the end (race was shortened!)- (First race in the 6)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6734978036... A few more tweeks on the 6 now

I have loads of these!

We need another really fast Griff/Tuscan BTW.

[555ST]

Slow M said:

nickinafrica said:

555ST is correct in stating the car had a 302, it was actually a Falconer & Dunn Boss 302 with the tunnel port heads and 4 bolt bottom end, that was supposed to give 495Hp @ 8000RPM, the engine replaced a hot 289 in 1976, although the new motor had more power, when it was first fitted, there were serious handling problem caused by rear hubs/suspension flexing, the car broke three drive shaft end and rear one up-right, this was caused by using very wide wheels with too much offset.
I drove the car with both of the engines, it was the fastest/wildest car I have ever driven even with the old motor, the 302 developed no power below 4000rpm and then set off like a rocket, the brakes were a bit of a joke though, how Paul raced that thing without a serious pile-up is a marvel, actually he once went over the finish line at Harewood hillclimb backwards!!!! if the attached image works, note the registration number 555PT
Nick

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I worked on the original Tuscan Paul had, and the 302 motor was from a F5000, he offered me a drive up Harewood hillclimb, I declined!!!!, as far as I am aware the cars were only used for hillclimb events. I emigrated to South Africa in 1981, and Paul built another car with a supercharger and completely different rear suspension using Jag IRS rear up-rights.
I lost contact with Paul after 1986, but man, he could drive.

Hi Nick,

I have set my Dad up on Pistonheads - handle 555PT appropriately! Send him a message; he'd like to hear from you!

This is how it ended up with the supercharger! The supercharged engine was a 289ci not Boss 302.




555ST

Edited by 555ST on Wednesday 17th February 00:14

[Terminator]

555ST said:

Yes, it has a mildly tweaked Rover 3.5!

[jellison]

So how much MOJO has that Hillclimb Monster got?

Not sure I'm in love with the looks!

[555ST]

jellison said:

So how much MOJO has that Hillclimb Monster got?

Not sure I'm in love with the looks!

Never dyno'd but estimated at 650-675bhp and the car only weighed 1,500lbs...

13" wide wheels at the front, 17" at the back!

Edited by 555ST on Friday 19th February 18:20

[DavidY]

I saw the car at David Gerald's around 1991, they claimed 650bhp for it as well! I still remember being awestruck at the size of the supercharger!

davidy

[Fiscracer]

555ST said:

Slow M said:

nickinafrica said:

555ST is correct in stating the car had a 302, it was actually a Falconer & Dunn Boss 302 with the tunnel port heads and 4 bolt bottom end, that was supposed to give 495Hp @ 8000RPM, the engine replaced a hot 289 in 1976, although the new motor had more power, when it was first fitted, there were serious handling problem caused by rear hubs/suspension flexing, the car broke three drive shaft end and rear one up-right, this was caused by using very wide wheels with too much offset.
I drove the car with both of the engines, it was the fastest/wildest car I have ever driven even with the old motor, the 302 developed no power below 4000rpm and then set off like a rocket, the brakes were a bit of a joke though, how Paul raced that thing without a serious pile-up is a marvel, actually he once went over the finish line at Harewood hillclimb backwards!!!! if the attached image works, note the registration number 555PT
Nick

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I worked on the original Tuscan Paul had, and the 302 motor was from a F5000, he offered me a drive up Harewood hillclimb, I declined!!!!, as far as I am aware the cars were only used for hillclimb events. I emigrated to South Africa in 1981, and Paul built another car with a supercharger and completely different rear suspension using Jag IRS rear up-rights.
I lost contact with Paul after 1986, but man, he could drive.

Hi Nick,

I have set my Dad up on Pistonheads - handle 555PT appropriately! Send him a message; he'd like to hear from you!

This is how it ended up with the supercharger! The supercharged engine was a 289ci not Boss 302.




555ST

Edited by 555ST on Wednesday 17th February 00:14

If you're going to do it, do it properly.

And the is PROPERLY done!