Discussion
heightswitch said:
Spot On.
I am also glad to know that i am not the only one wondering where all the hippies had come from.
Neil.
No hippies on here, just a few people who appreciate TVRs - and cycling too, and are pleased that their classic sports car may offer a little practicality.
kaneit said:
heightswitch said:
Spot On.
I am also glad to know that i am not the only one wondering where all the hippies had come from.
Neil.
No hippies on here, just a few people who appreciate TVRs - and cycling too, and are pleased that their classic sports car may offer a little practicality.
I'm a hippie
(Ok, not really)
But I do think having a usable boot is a big plus point for a car if it's used as an everyday toy rather just a weekend blast. If you like the adrenaline rush of a good drive you really should try downhill MTBing (or skiing/boarding) makes cars look tame.
Sadly it's not so good for the morning commute.
I had a quick look through some back issues. Practical Classics Jan. 99 TVR M series buyers guide, "with thanks to Steve Reid/Doug Elwood/Adrian Venn/Carol Folkard".
"Taimars command a premium...(over 3000M)" it might be a few years old but I don't think the reason for that premium has gone/changed.
Practical Classics price guide lists Taimars at £500 more than the 3000M for each condition category.
I'm sure everyone could argue the rights and wrongs of the Practical classics valuations, and I would join in, but not about "taimars commanding a premium".
Exhaust fumes can be a problem but I don't think the Taimar hatch is the only access point. All M series could suffer and like the hatch can be sorted.
There was a guy on here recently asking for help with a 1600M (blue, chrome bumpers, may have been in scotland- I can't find the thread) whose car was unusable because of (what I learnt from that discussion, was called) "the station wagon effect". I think he found that the rear lights and numberplate bolts were the culprit and solved the problem. I think centre consoles, bumper mountings, fuel tank openings and the holes in the bulkhead can all draw in fumes too.
On a slightly different angle, people say that only very early taimar's had the vents on the hatch but at the Critch show I don't think I saw a Taimar that didn't and there were quite a few there.
"Taimars command a premium...(over 3000M)" it might be a few years old but I don't think the reason for that premium has gone/changed.
Practical Classics price guide lists Taimars at £500 more than the 3000M for each condition category.
I'm sure everyone could argue the rights and wrongs of the Practical classics valuations, and I would join in, but not about "taimars commanding a premium".
Exhaust fumes can be a problem but I don't think the Taimar hatch is the only access point. All M series could suffer and like the hatch can be sorted.
There was a guy on here recently asking for help with a 1600M (blue, chrome bumpers, may have been in scotland- I can't find the thread) whose car was unusable because of (what I learnt from that discussion, was called) "the station wagon effect". I think he found that the rear lights and numberplate bolts were the culprit and solved the problem. I think centre consoles, bumper mountings, fuel tank openings and the holes in the bulkhead can all draw in fumes too.
On a slightly different angle, people say that only very early taimar's had the vents on the hatch but at the Critch show I don't think I saw a Taimar that didn't and there were quite a few there.
stigproducts said:
On a slightly different angle, people say that only very early taimar's had the vents on the hatch but at the Critch show I don't think I saw a Taimar that didn't and there were quite a few there.
Mine was 4319FM and had no vent.
As for a boot, try a 3000S, I can get a picnic hamper, 2 decent size chairs, the sidescreens, an emergency triangle ('just in case'), and the shopping in the boot.
Yeah and I was a hippy(ish) too.
stigproducts said:
I had a quick look through some back issues. Practical Classics Jan. 99 TVR M series buyers guide, "with thanks to Steve Reid/Doug Elwood/Adrian Venn/Carol Folkard".
"Taimars command a premium...(over 3000M)" it might be a few years old but I don't think the reason for that premium has gone/changed.
Practical Classics price guide lists Taimars at £500 more than the 3000M for each condition category.
I'm sure everyone could argue the rights and wrongs of the Practical classics valuations, and I would join in, but not about "taimars commanding a premium".
Exhaust fumes can be a problem but I don't think the Taimar hatch is the only access point. All M series could suffer and like the hatch can be sorted.
There was a guy on here recently asking for help with a 1600M (blue, chrome bumpers, may have been in scotland- I can't find the thread) whose car was unusable because of (what I learnt from that discussion, was called) "the station wagon effect". I think he found that the rear lights and numberplate bolts were the culprit and solved the problem. I think centre consoles, bumper mountings, fuel tank openings and the holes in the bulkhead can all draw in fumes too.
On a slightly different angle, people say that only very early taimar's had the vents on the hatch but at the Critch show I don't think I saw a Taimar that didn't and there were quite a few there.
"Taimars command a premium...(over 3000M)" it might be a few years old but I don't think the reason for that premium has gone/changed.
Practical Classics price guide lists Taimars at £500 more than the 3000M for each condition category.
I'm sure everyone could argue the rights and wrongs of the Practical classics valuations, and I would join in, but not about "taimars commanding a premium".
Exhaust fumes can be a problem but I don't think the Taimar hatch is the only access point. All M series could suffer and like the hatch can be sorted.
There was a guy on here recently asking for help with a 1600M (blue, chrome bumpers, may have been in scotland- I can't find the thread) whose car was unusable because of (what I learnt from that discussion, was called) "the station wagon effect". I think he found that the rear lights and numberplate bolts were the culprit and solved the problem. I think centre consoles, bumper mountings, fuel tank openings and the holes in the bulkhead can all draw in fumes too.
On a slightly different angle, people say that only very early taimar's had the vents on the hatch but at the Critch show I don't think I saw a Taimar that didn't and there were quite a few there.
But a taimar will definitely depreciate now that it is considered a hippies car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
for the record para 5 sums up my feelings. my statement was based on passing the warning for a potential taimar buyer. beware of the potential for fumes. at the end of the day its still an M and contrary to popular belief i am actually quite partial to M's
neil.
Over A long period of time we have modified the gearlever gaiter and surrounding area to stop the drawing up of fumes....BUT recently one guy tested his Taimar with a fume detector (after complaining, that it was gassing him) he found the same test results in his company car as in his TVR at the same points along the same journey.....BUT at the high fume point in his company car he just shut the car windows and turned the air con, on! His conclusion was simlpy that get stuck in traffic and the car in front was killing him.
SORT of true....the seals ARE important when I blew my engine up years ago (with daftlad and Mr Shaw) doing slightly more that the speed limit, what oil went through the exhaust system filled the car in less than a second giving me NO vision ...from that point forward ALL M's I have owned (and rebuilt) have been modified.
Adrian@
SORT of true....the seals ARE important when I blew my engine up years ago (with daftlad and Mr Shaw) doing slightly more that the speed limit, what oil went through the exhaust system filled the car in less than a second giving me NO vision ...from that point forward ALL M's I have owned (and rebuilt) have been modified.
Adrian@
Edited by adrian@ on Thursday 14th December 09:23
Steve, my old Taimar was 4219FM (March 1978) and didn't have the vents, and it was at Crich (parked next to my 3000S turbo).
I loved the car and had great fun for 13 years. I guess if you need practicality look for a Taimar, but buy the best M series you can find. A great 3000M will be a better car than a good Taimar.
Oliver.
I loved the car and had great fun for 13 years. I guess if you need practicality look for a Taimar, but buy the best M series you can find. A great 3000M will be a better car than a good Taimar.
Oliver.
adrian@ said:
when I blew my engine up years ago (with daftlad and Mr Shaw) doing slightly more that the speed limit
I remember it well - the early days of micro dynamics. Your engine wasn't the only thing destroyed that weekend - I've only just got rid of the head ache from the red wine. Halcyon days.... 
Daftlad said:
Without getting embroiled in issues on value.
The biggest difernece I noticed between an M and a Taimar, apart form the obvious ones, is that an M is a much tighter feeling car. I know the body is not meant to be stressed on either but...
For the record, I am not a hippy....honest
The biggest difernece I noticed between an M and a Taimar, apart form the obvious ones, is that an M is a much tighter feeling car. I know the body is not meant to be stressed on either but...
For the record, I am not a hippy....honest
I know exactly what you mean. My vixen S2 felt like an old boneshaker after I had driven my S1 with Bonded shell for the first time. its a difficult one to call but for me an early bonded car drives much better than a later bolt on one. Looking further A bolt on car with panels cut out abviously detracts even further from the stiffness. its just a shame about the horrendous crusty tubes that develop behind the fibreglass on a bonded car.
I haven't enough hair to be called a hippy.
N.
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