Griffith 200/400 Market price ?

[Slow M]

GTRene said:

I love this wide one, is it still around somewhere?
could not find any pictures with the plate number search, only that it was some sort of race car back in the old days around 1964.

Those pictures are in/from the book from Peter Filby so I mentioned that in the pictures.

where is it and what happened to it, its wide and mean looking and lovely
I also read in the book that it was crashed during some testrit to a show in 1964 and was a write off, but I also have read that the car was a race car? see here>
http://www.racingsportscars.com/chassis/archive/20...
would love to own such sort wide curved Griff or replica one day when the numbers come up ;-)

Edited by GTRene on Thursday 2nd January 12:10

Those wheels are nothing short of amazing. Any clues as to what they are?

Best,
B.

[anonymous-user]

Wolfrace Turbo something's maybe?

[GTRene]

Slow M said:

hose wheels are nothing short of amazing. Any clues as to what they are?

Best,
B.

don't know yet, never seen them on other cars, but since they also raced with those (maybe in 1965) they maybe also could be FIA proof? looks like pretty wide tires too...

[dryden]

I think they are JAPs....

[the other tim]

dryden said:

I think they are JAPs....

Nearly, they are J A Pearce Magna wheels which are now being produced again. There is an amazing history behind them, Pearce even had a Formula one team for a while

http://japearceengineering.com/

Well worth a read!!!!

[GTRene]

your right about JAP
searched for a few hours yesterday but nothing...now with the worth JAP found one for sale on ebay and from that found more out with different search spellings.

they are the > Magna Mark II

then I found the website, seems you can also order them new in any wide etc? you like...

said:

Pictured from left to right: Magna Mark I 10" wheel in De Luxe finish, Magna Mark II 13" wheel in Hammertone Silver finish and Magna Mark II 10" in Smooth Gold finish.

edit, here the website with also lots of pictures>

http://japearceengineering.com/products/magna-whee...

[thegamekeeper]

dryden said:

I think they are JAPs....

They are indeed J A Pearce "Magnas", possibly the most iconic whhel of its era.

John Pearce was a fascinating man who went from being a welder at Warwick cars (later to become Peerles) to owning his own relatively successful privately run F1 team. He also owned the mecca for tuning people, the Southall Garage in Middlesex. He was associated for a long time with Chris Lawrence, Morgan Specialist and Le Mans protagonist, F1 driver and occasionally TVR Griffith 400 racer. He was involved with Morgan and Deep Sanderson racing at Le Mans, much involved with the twin Mini Cooper S engined Deep Sanderson.

His wheels were worn by some very important cars in their day, the type that seldom now come into the market. His racing wheels were obviously magnesium (Magna) but he later made Aluminium alloy wheels for road cars. Many were knock on with 3 point spinners to replace wire wheels on cars with extreme power.
You will, if you are interested in 60,s and 70,s cars have seen them on many cars, AC Cobras, the Lightweight and Low Drag E type Jaguars, Lister Jaguars, Ferraris, The wide bodied MG GTS cars, Lenham GT,s, GT 40,s, Lotus 30/40 and other F1 cars. Some quite significant road cars sporting his Magnas were Gordon Keeble, Lotus Europa, Ogle GTs, and the Radford Mini De Ville, most famously the one Peter Sellars gave to Britt Ekland which he presented to her in a birthday cake!

I had a set on a Nerus prepared Mini I used to rally in the late 60,s. Coming back one foggy morning from a rally in mid Wales we managed to drive straight across a roundabout at about 70mph. The front subframe complete with engine and gearbox remained on the roundabout whilst we ended up in an almost completely bare derilict shell abot 100 yards down the road still belted into our seats. Sadly the Magnas were all in hundreds of pieces. Happy days and fond memories.

J A Pearce Magnas are now back in production, the rights being bought by a fluids handling company if I remember correctly. They were not cheap in the 60,s and I expect if you need to ask the price............

[gmw9666]

The Rod Longton Tuscan that Str8six is restoring has them on. They have all the build photos on their Facebook page if you are interested

Edited by gmw9666 on Monday 6th January 18:42

[Slow M]

GTRene said:

edit, here the website with also lots of pictures>

http://japearceengineering.com/products/magna-whee...

Loving these wheels. They remind me of some of the best offerings from Halibrand, Radir, and Campagnolo. I am guessing (partly due to Gamekeeper's comment), that these, like the offerings from those other manufacturers were originally Magnesium.

Definitely one of the best looking period wheels I've seen. Thanks for the history lesson!

Best,
B.

[JAPMagna]

Sorry to barge in on your discussion, but I would just like to let you know that your enthusiasm for our wheels is greatly appreciated. The re-launch of J.A.Pearce Engineering has been something of a labour of love. The 10" Mark I Magna wheel is fully tooled up, and we're just tooling up the 15" Mark II wheel now (as featured on the Griffith pictured in this thread). We've also tooled up the spinners.
It's our intention to tool up other diameters as things progress, but it's an expensive business, so we have to take one step at a time.
The first batch of 15" wheel castings will be manufactured later this month. The first set will be going on a Gordon Keeble (centre-lock peg-drive with spinners) which is very exciting for us.
Feedback on the website is greatly appreciated. The Blog page is where we put particular story features, but we also use our Facebook page as a conveniently quick notice board. If you find it interesting, you'll be pleased to learn that there's a lot more to come about our history - some of it quite hair-raising.
I'd like to add the pictures from this feed to our website & Facebook page - unless anyone's got any qualms about it, in which case, let me know.
Apart from some of the wonderful TVRs that were fitted with Magna wheels, if any of you have missed it, you'll probably be interested to see that the car featured on the sales brochure for the Trident Venturer was also fitted with them. Personally, it's one of my favourite pictures of Magna-wheeled cars.

[GTRene]

seen this beauty?
its not for sale...yet.

seems like a great original car?

Griffith 200/5/085

http://www.colinsclassicauto.com/detail.php?car=36...

[alphaone]

Does your Cobra not scare you any more?

Are you tired of having a car that doesn't threaten to go airborne or spin around when you nail the throttle?


Had to smile when I read that.

[GTRene]

I just came across this ad in a old car magazine from 1967
I bought that magazine a while ago because of an article about the TVR Griffith 200

I also looked in the classifieds section and found there a Griffith 200 for sale (in 1967)

wonder who's it was and were it is know, just curious and ' funny' to share I thought, I put the ad on the front cover>

oh, and if its still for sale for that price I buy it

Edited by GTRene on Saturday 1st March 22:01

[GTRene]

I just went through more then 1200 pictures...restauration Griffith 200 with some interesting details/pictures.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/111739756@N06/page1/

[GTRene]

another nice Griffith 200 on sale, lots of upgrades/work done I guess.

its number 2005 024 and the price does not sound bad, its 69.900,-$ or 50.500,-euro or 41.600,-gbp















I hope someone in NL buys it, so I can buy it from that person within in a few years or so ;-)

more detailed pictures etc, here>

http://www.wirewheel.com/1965-Griffith-Series-200-...

[prideaux]

GTRene said:

I just came across this ad in a old car magazine from 1967
I bought that magazine a while ago because of an article about the TVR Griffith 200

I also looked in the classifieds section and found there a Griffith 200 for sale (in 1967)

wonder who's it was and were it is know, just curious and ' funny' to share I thought, I put the ad on the front cover>

oh, and if its still for sale for that price I buy it

Edited by GTRene on Saturday 1st March 22:01

You keep wanting to spend other peoples money why not spend your own or the banks interest rates are lower than rising prices .
Yes on paper she looks good but every picture only tells half the story and I would have expected Hayes to price according to its value as he always seems fair on pricing consignment or own stock would be interesting to hear from some of the US guys if they know more of the car.
He has sold one recently so I would have thought he would have had a benchmark to price this one
A

[GTRene]

you mean the blue car with white stripe with number 41...that one went for a high price I believe, but that car had a big restoration not that long ago I think.
The green one had the restoration a long time ago, so I guess that counts too, the big bucks were paid then
don't know what the real state is though, its like you said, a picture tells mostly have the story.

but always nice to see such lovely Griffith 200.

first I thought what's that strange gap/venthole in the wing, but early Griffiths had a bigger grill there, at least on some of my Griffith 200 pictures I see those with also bigger vent-hole.

like say this Griff>

Edited by GTRene on Sunday 20th April 18:31

[griffer500]

Come on GTRene. Buy the green one, Almelo can use a pre 70 TVR.

[GTRene]

yes we can (use such car in Almelo ;-))

but limited on garage space...(only have one fine garage, very happy with it though)
and ow, also important most my money sits in my Hartge so its not on the bank.

but its a car such as these that will be in my garage at some point in my life.

the green car needs some lowering at the rear, now it stands to high and looks a bit 'strange' that way, I wonder how come? to strong springs?

I guess you have more storage room with 2 TVR's ? I always want (for peace of mind etc) my cars safe and comfortable and dry inside.

[griffer500]

Yes. More storage room then money other wise there would be a 3th TVR.