90's F1 cars - Where are they?
Discussion
I'm a product of the 90's, born in 1990 and the first season I can actually remember watching a race properly was '93 so I'm naturally drawn to cars of that era. 1994 was my first season of watching every race as a kid and aside from morbid curiosity because of what went on that year, the cars themselves are exactly the kind I love. If you asked me to draw from memory what an F1 car looked like, it'd be some sort of approximation of the 90's shapes, they looked so damn good. Add in the tobacco and alcohol sponsorship making great liveries and that's the kind of stuff I love.
I was just wondering, I know there are many in museums (McLaren, Williams, Donington Park collection, etc), there's some racing in the Boss series (think there's a few Benetton's and a Jordan or two?) and I know Ferrari for example have their F1 Clienti program but can anyone shed some light on where the cars from the 90's are nowadays?
Thinking of maybe keeping some form of document for them (an Excel spreadsheet or something like that) in the hopes of seeing as many as possible.
What happened to all the cars from teams like Leyton House, Andrea Moda, Arrows/Footwork, Larrousse, Simtek, Pacific, etc when they went bust? Where they kept in storage warehouses and auctioned off or just hidden away by private individuals?
It's easier to do with the big teams like Ferrari, McLaren and Williams but where are they all?
I know for example Benetton created 8 B194 chassis and two have been up for sale over the past few years (sparking discussions about traction control and the like) so if you start multiplying that for each team (smaller teams might've only had one or two admittedly) but over the nine year span from 90-99 then that's a load of cars and there's only so many in museums or being raced/driven by Boss or F1 Clienti drivers, they've gotta be somewhere right?
I was just wondering, I know there are many in museums (McLaren, Williams, Donington Park collection, etc), there's some racing in the Boss series (think there's a few Benetton's and a Jordan or two?) and I know Ferrari for example have their F1 Clienti program but can anyone shed some light on where the cars from the 90's are nowadays?
Thinking of maybe keeping some form of document for them (an Excel spreadsheet or something like that) in the hopes of seeing as many as possible.
What happened to all the cars from teams like Leyton House, Andrea Moda, Arrows/Footwork, Larrousse, Simtek, Pacific, etc when they went bust? Where they kept in storage warehouses and auctioned off or just hidden away by private individuals?
It's easier to do with the big teams like Ferrari, McLaren and Williams but where are they all?
I know for example Benetton created 8 B194 chassis and two have been up for sale over the past few years (sparking discussions about traction control and the like) so if you start multiplying that for each team (smaller teams might've only had one or two admittedly) but over the nine year span from 90-99 then that's a load of cars and there's only so many in museums or being raced/driven by Boss or F1 Clienti drivers, they've gotta be somewhere right?
Most have ended up as play things for wealthy businessmen who have track days with them. With how complex the machinery is getting the chances of seeing a 00's car onwards like these are probably slim to none without factory support.
Still some available as can Ben seen here
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/cars-for-sale/al...
Still some available as can Ben seen here
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/cars-for-sale/al...
FW18 said:
Most have ended up as play things for wealthy businessmen who have track days with them. With how complex the machinery is getting the chances of seeing a 00's car onwards like these are probably slim to none without factory support.
Still some available as can Ben seen here
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/cars-for-sale/al...
With the advent of pneumatic systems to replace hydraulic, a lot more '90s cars are capable of being put back onto track.... Still some available as can Ben seen here
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/cars-for-sale/al...
andycaca said:
PHer poppopbangbang works on old F1 cars to keep them going for trackdays, wealthy owners, historic F1 etc. Search for his posts, you will find some really interesting information 
Thanks for bringing this to the attention of newer PHers. Literally spent the day reading his thread(s) and watching associated videos. Truly inspiring reading. Somewhat filled with jealousy now.Eric Mc said:
Even cars of the late 80s/early 90s require specialist gear to get them going. I remember being at a Good Festival of Speed and a Group C Mercedes wouldn't start because its engine management chip had failed and there was no way of replacing it over the weekend.
Most of the running Group C cars in private hands are using modern ECU's now.FW18 said:
With how complex the machinery is getting the chances of seeing a 00's car onwards like these are probably slim to none without factory support.
We have no factory support. We have no OEM supplier or systems support. We run around 15 post 2000 F1 cars directly and support another 10 or so worldwide in various ways. We do pretty much everything bar some fab work in house including electronics and hydraulics maintenance.2004 Fire Up - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ3cEnKmm1U
2004 On Track - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjl7orvj5IQ
2001 Fire Up - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfLGzYr-PEY&t=...
Another 04 Fire Up - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-hYpZDlwDk
Etc. Etc.
It only gets a bit tricky with the later KERS cars and even then there are plenty of ways around that. Up to 2012 is no problem, after that would need some investment purely to put the support in place to run it.
These aren't show cars either, everything we do can run at a pace similar to it did back in the day. The limiting factor until recently has been tyres but we have Pirellis now so that is less of a problem.
rubystone said:
jsf said:
Most of the running Group C cars in private hands are using modern ECU's now.
And most of the F1 cars in private hands. Life is a popular one for instance.The later cars like the late 80's and 90's period will be on newer ECU's quite often, Some are still on original ECU's.
jsf said:
All the cars used in the FIA Historic F1 championship are using the period spec spark boxes.
The later cars like the late 80's and 90's period will be on newer ECU's quite often, Some are still on original ECU's.
Early to Mid 90's stuff is generally converted to Life or Pectel. The newer stuff, 98 onwards, is mostly run on original kit with all the work that entails to put in place the kit required to compile your own code etc. From 98 everyone was on Moogs with FBW clutches etc. there just isn't anything out there in the "aftermarket" that is capable of running these cars due to the lack of ability to drive Moog valves etc. and the setups on these cars are incredibly well proven (having done a whole season of F1 + testing) so it's preferable to keep them if you wish to race the car.The later cars like the late 80's and 90's period will be on newer ECU's quite often, Some are still on original ECU's.
poppopbangbang said:
jsf said:
All the cars used in the FIA Historic F1 championship are using the period spec spark boxes.
The later cars like the late 80's and 90's period will be on newer ECU's quite often, Some are still on original ECU's.
Early to Mid 90's stuff is generally converted to Life or Pectel. The newer stuff, 98 onwards, is mostly run on original kit with all the work that entails to put in place the kit required to compile your own code etc. From 98 everyone was on Moogs with FBW clutches etc. there just isn't anything out there in the "aftermarket" that is capable of running these cars due to the lack of ability to drive Moog valves etc. and the setups on these cars are incredibly well proven (having done a whole season of F1 + testing) so it's preferable to keep them if you wish to race the car.The later cars like the late 80's and 90's period will be on newer ECU's quite often, Some are still on original ECU's.
Life is quite nice, I have a life based system (syvecs) in my road car.
jsf said:
All the cars used in the FIA Historic F1 championship are using the period spec spark boxes.
The later cars like the late 80's and 90's period will be on newer ECU's quite often, Some are still on original ECU's.
The newer ECUs enable the mid '80s cars to run a lot more reliably too. Hart engines really benefit from that!The later cars like the late 80's and 90's period will be on newer ECU's quite often, Some are still on original ECU's.
I mentioned in the OP about Andrea Moda.
Anyone fancy buying the infamous thing?
https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/85118/fo...
Currently stupidly done up in a bad attempt at the '94 Williams livery, hopefully someone returns it to the glorious black livery it originally wore.
I know a lot less about the EuroBrun car and it's livery but it's gotta be better than the awful McLaren attempt here.
Anyone fancy buying the infamous thing?
https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/85118/fo...
Currently stupidly done up in a bad attempt at the '94 Williams livery, hopefully someone returns it to the glorious black livery it originally wore.
I know a lot less about the EuroBrun car and it's livery but it's gotta be better than the awful McLaren attempt here.
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