RE: FIA Plans 1.6-litre V6s For F1

[300bhp/ton]

I have to say, I truly don't understand what the real aim is here

Only idiots use engine size as a limiting speed factor.

If they want to control top speed then there are far more interesting ways that would allow far greater variety!!!

[E21_Ross]

is there any other sport where there are so many fking rule changes all the bloody time!? if it's for the benefit of cutting CO2 i see how this will help considering man made CO2 is what, less than 5% of global CO2 produced? F1 produces how much of that i wonder....

[JSquaredJim]

The CO2 output of the cars them selves is a mere fraction of that of the fleet of Jumbo's used to transport all the gear to the fly away events.
It's time F1 stopped pandering to this Eco nonsense and just got on with real racing.

[Mr Gear]

300bhp/ton said:

I have to say, I truly don't understand what the real aim is here

Only idiots use engine size as a limiting speed factor.

If they want to control top speed then there are far more interesting ways that would allow far greater variety!!!

I quite agree. I also think that F1 needs to ask itself what it is trying to achive.

Good, close, racing?
Cost cutting?
Road-relevant engine and materials development? Why would Bernie Ecclestone care about that?
More speed? Less speed?
Environmental credentials? Forget it! F1 creates more pollution from spectators driving to the circuits than the cars will do in their entire racing careers.

So what's the deal Bernie? What is the end-game?

[300bhp/ton]

Mr Gear said:

300bhp/ton said:

I have to say, I truly don't understand what the real aim is here

Only idiots use engine size as a limiting speed factor.

If they want to control top speed then there are far more interesting ways that would allow far greater variety!!!

I quite agree. I also think that F1 needs to ask itself what it is trying to achive.

Good, close, racing?
Cost cutting?
Road-relevant engine and materials development? Why would Bernie Ecclestone care about that?
More speed? Less speed?
Environmental credentials? Forget it! F1 creates more pollution from spectators driving to the circuits than the cars will do in their entire racing careers.

So what's the deal Bernie? What is the end-game?

For me I'd just love to see more variety rather than the regs making it essentially a 1 or 2 make field. But this is true of every motor sport the FIA dabbles with, WRC, BTTC, WTC, etc, etc, etc.

[LordGrover]

Vantagefan said:

Who cares what engine is inside the cars - so long as they are going faster. There are so many other factors to the car that, so long as the spectacle and entertainment is'nt being hampered, what does one small change mean?

Are you lost?
Here you go: click.

[brogenville]

Wonder how this affects the new Jaguar hypercar? It was supposed to have an F1 derived 4-pot turbo wasn't it?

[nickfrog]

Scuffers said:

Coulthard comments that the current 2.4V8's were gutless at ~750Bhp

Not sure he was saying that. He was saying that they have very little torque and needs to be in the power band to operate. F1 engines are rarely tuned for torque anyway.

[E21_Ross]

nickfrog said:

Scuffers said:

Coulthard comments that the current 2.4V8's were gutless at ~750Bhp

Not sure he was saying that. He was saying that they have very little torque and needs to be in the power band to operate. F1 engines are rarely tuned for torque anyway.

yup. he said they really need to be up in the high rev ranges, which doesn't matter because when racing that is where it's always going to be. 750bhp in a car weighing fk all is not going to feel gutless

think it meant if you tried flooring it from about 6-7krpm it wouldn't go as quick as you'd expect (though i suspect it'll still beat just about any road car).

from the graphics, have you seen how quick they go from ~70-160mph!! veyron eat your heart out!

[robinessex]

RULES

FOR THE OBEDIENCE OF FOOLS

THE GUIDANCE OF WISE MEN

[AntJD]

Eric Mc said:

Discussed here a couple of months ago.

Not possible anymore. Unrestricted technology became impossible from about 1980/81 =- if not earlier.

I think that with the technology available now they could make the cars faster and still keep them under control. However as a spectator of the sport the LAST thing I would want is for all the cars to be SO fast that nobody can overtake. Id like to see some additions to DRS to allow it to be used as a braking aid aswell, something like the Vayron has to allow even later braking points! (Last of the Late Brakers)

[angusfaldo]

robinessex said:

RULES

FOR THE OBEDIENCE OF FOOLS

THE GUIDANCE OF WISE MEN

How does this apply to the generally accepted rule that if you want to keep her, you don't shag your girlfriend's mum?

[Shaun350z]

I wish we could have unlimited revs, then maybe we might be lucky and Vettel could have an engine blow and then someone else could actually win for a change or at least get pole.

[LukeBird]

What would be so bad about keeping the V8s?
I appreciate that change is needed in the sport, but the constant goal-post moving, constant rule changes switches off so many people, the FIA would be far better off if they meddled less.

[CO2000]

JSquaredJim said:

The CO2 output of the cars them selves is a mere fraction of that of the fleet of Jumbo's used to transport all the gear to the fly away events.
It's time F1 stopped pandering to this Eco nonsense and just got on with real racing.

Spot on + the trucks & all the team cars etc that no doubt waste far, far more than the F1 Cars.

[mat205125]

paulrockliffe said:

BrnoutJerzey said:

It's Formula 1!! How are you going to have 6 cylinder engines.. it used to be 12... The top tier of racing in the world should not have 6 cylinders, they're killing F1

It also used to be 4 cylinders.

The most powerful of all F1 engines was a 4

[joz8968]

stuttgartmetal said:

Bring back ayrtons 1000hp v6 honda turbo I say

Here here!

http://vimeo.com/3164992

Edited by joz8968 on Tuesday 28th June 14:05

[Or888t]

I prefer the idea than the 12k reving I4's but as touched upon, i'm guessing this means much less boost?
And i'm simply in denial about they being rated to 600hp... At this rate they'll be 450hp by 2017 :/ (But they'll have better kerrs) :/

[Crow555]

If F1 was about a blank sheet of paper and unlimited budgets in terms of design, they would have the equivalent of 3000bhp monsters roaming the circuits now. F1 isn't about that, it's about meeting a set of rules (a formula if you will) by designing a car within those rules. Engine changes are part and parcel of the F1, same as any other component.

[MrKipling43]

CO2000 said:

Spot on + the trucks & all the team cars etc that no doubt waste far, far more than the F1 Cars.

Actually F1 has been carbon neutral since 1997 IIRC. So none of the cars or trucks put out any CO2. I think the offsetting also covers all the spectactors who attend the race. It certainly did/does for the WRC.