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Toyota Team Europe banned for 12 months (WRC) in 1995 due to an illegal turbo restrictor.
Audi, Michelle Mouton's quattro developed engine problems and was expected to retire.
She started the next stage with mechanic Braun's chase car in tow.
Losing a lot of time, Mouton emerged from the stage but no sign of Braun's car.
Audi indicated that the problem was not a damaged cylinder head but an oil pump, which had been replaced by one from Braun's car. A perfectly legal action.
Rumours indicated that Mouton's car was actually Braun's car and body panels changed.
Mouton withdrew from the rally claiming that the car was unsafe.
Audi, Michelle Mouton's quattro developed engine problems and was expected to retire.
She started the next stage with mechanic Braun's chase car in tow.
Losing a lot of time, Mouton emerged from the stage but no sign of Braun's car.
Audi indicated that the problem was not a damaged cylinder head but an oil pump, which had been replaced by one from Braun's car. A perfectly legal action.
Rumours indicated that Mouton's car was actually Braun's car and body panels changed.
Mouton withdrew from the rally claiming that the car was unsafe.
Sam the Mut said:
I have made driver down 3 or 4 litres of water to make sure the cars above the weight limit not really cheating.
I have seen this go on, if the results suit the powers that be when a car is just slightly under.Edited by Sam the Mut on Friday 1st July 17:16
Driver in question couldn't wait to rush to the toilet.
adjustable suspension in F1 during the ground effect days.... you could see them lift up on entering the pitlane to clear the ground clearance
In F1/F3 springs with two stiffnesses for wing cars to optimise ground effect... when standing still correct ride height then at some speed the softer part would compress and lower the car and leaving a hard suspension - there were clamps to keep the soft part compressed..
Exotic fuel that smelled weird
The swan necks on the rear wings in LMP
launch control in F1 when it was prohibited hidden in the source code of the ecu ... and could only be accessed with a secret proceedure
In F1/F3 springs with two stiffnesses for wing cars to optimise ground effect... when standing still correct ride height then at some speed the softer part would compress and lower the car and leaving a hard suspension - there were clamps to keep the soft part compressed..
Exotic fuel that smelled weird
The swan necks on the rear wings in LMP
launch control in F1 when it was prohibited hidden in the source code of the ecu ... and could only be accessed with a secret proceedure
Not Cheating as such but a few years ago at a weekend British GT meet not long after the Gallardo came out and a friend of mine was in the Lamborghini team garage and invite me in to have a nosey about,Then me noticing an engine lieing in the corner and asked why it was there.
On the saturday (i was only there on the sunday) the Gallardo blew its engine during the race but the team couldn't get a hold of a spare engine due to the car being in such high demand from the factory,cue said Gallardo then firing up and driving out of the pit garage so where did the get the spare engine from?
Hello is that the fancy exotic car hire company? I need to hire a Gallardo for the weekend....
On the saturday (i was only there on the sunday) the Gallardo blew its engine during the race but the team couldn't get a hold of a spare engine due to the car being in such high demand from the factory,cue said Gallardo then firing up and driving out of the pit garage so where did the get the spare engine from?
Hello is that the fancy exotic car hire company? I need to hire a Gallardo for the weekend....Sam the Mut said:
TWR
This name will come up again and again.A PHer not long ago told of tales about an inflateable rubber bag in the fuel tank that the driver blew down a tube on the slowing down lap. It gave the XJSs an extra lap or two before needing to be refueled.
TWR sending a couple of fabricators to the Jag showroom in Paris to modify certain parts of a standard XJS before the FIA came in to measure the car in the morning.
Tim Harvey recently wrote about Matt Neil winning the chance to compete in a works Nissan Primera after winning the privateer's cup. They decided to use their own doors and bootlid to save painting the car etc. The doors didn't fit as the roof had been lowered by about 3 inches.
A racer called Dave Brodie was driving an RS500 in Touring cars. When they got to Thruxton he pulled away from everyone by about a second a lap$ he had a tank of "Dave's Granny's cough mixture" in the C-pillar of the Sierra.
In french chassis is the plural of chassis...
Edited 'cos I remembered a name.
Edited by Life Saab Itch on Saturday 2nd July 10:05
Life Saab Itch said:
A racer called Dave Brodie was driving an RS500 in Touring cars. When they got to Thruxton he pulled away from everyone by about a second a lap$ he had a tank of "Dave's Granny's cough mixture" in the C-pillar of the Sierra.
Was about to say before your edit, that's Dave Brodie 
His RS500 had a very distinctive livery with lots of chrome on it - before it became "fashionable"! He is one of the B's in the tuning company BBR, and also a director of the BRDC now 
1998 Le Mans - Toyota GT One. Under the GT1 class rules of the time, the cars had to have a luggage compartment capable of carrying a standard suit case to satisfy the 'GT' part of the name.
The previous year, Mercedes were a little clever with their interpretation of this rule, as the CLK GTR did indeed have a luggage compartment, it was just out of the way in a hard to reach part of the body work.
Toyota Team Europe took this a step further with the GT One. Because the car's fuel tank is empty during scrutineering, Toyota managed to convince the ACO that at this point in time the fuel tank could, theoretically, hold a suit case! Thus Toyota were basically able to enter a full-on prototype in the GT1 class.
The previous year, Mercedes were a little clever with their interpretation of this rule, as the CLK GTR did indeed have a luggage compartment, it was just out of the way in a hard to reach part of the body work.
Toyota Team Europe took this a step further with the GT One. Because the car's fuel tank is empty during scrutineering, Toyota managed to convince the ACO that at this point in time the fuel tank could, theoretically, hold a suit case! Thus Toyota were basically able to enter a full-on prototype in the GT1 class.
I believe that for the super-production era of the BTCC, the bodyshells had to start life from the production presses. So Ford (IIRC) put two thinner sheets into the press instead of one normal gauge sheet, giving two bodyshells in one go, both thinner and so lighter than the standard panels. OF course this did mean that one car was slightly smaller than the other, but not by enough to be a problem.
I have heard many others over the years - some already mentioned on here - the valve lift one being particularly true and amusing, whereby the cam lift profile meets the maximum lift, but actually the set up is so the valve is launched 'into the air' well clear of the cam - the hard bit is a) making sure the valve doesn't fly too far and hit the piston and b) being able to bring the valve back in time! I believe this has been used even recently by a certain GM-related WTCC car.
I have heard many others over the years - some already mentioned on here - the valve lift one being particularly true and amusing, whereby the cam lift profile meets the maximum lift, but actually the set up is so the valve is launched 'into the air' well clear of the cam - the hard bit is a) making sure the valve doesn't fly too far and hit the piston and b) being able to bring the valve back in time! I believe this has been used even recently by a certain GM-related WTCC car.
Sam the Mut said:
Tom Walkinshaw Racing adjusting the rear strut mount points on the Rover 3500. When they got caught they tried to claim the bodyshell was a standard, but export-only, variation.
http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=14...
Great thread & an unmentioned 7 year thread jump as well http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=14...
Edited by Sam the Mut on Friday 1st July 20:56
I seem to remember a guy racing Senna's old FF2000 in around 04/05 who was making it lap faster than Senna had. The cars were meant to be raced as they were....
Now either there was something up with the car, or there's some serious talent in historic FF!
Wasn't there also a case at the historic Spa six hours where a mustang ran down and beat some GT40's?
Sorry i don't have any juicy technical details
Now either there was something up with the car, or there's some serious talent in historic FF!
Wasn't there also a case at the historic Spa six hours where a mustang ran down and beat some GT40's?
Sorry i don't have any juicy technical details
I raced in a 24hr karting race against a team that had come over especially from America to compete. There is an average weight allowance of 80kg per driver, so everyone is weighed and the average is found. If the average is below 80 then for every kilo under, you have a lap taken off at the end and the opposite for reading over. We had a fairly big team and averaged something like 83kg. The Americans, who were all short and thin, weighed in at over our weight!! Strangley enough they won... They had "allegedly" filled their helmets, body protectors and pockets with lead for the weigh in. Cheating swines!
I did the 1961 Scottish Rally as navigator in my friend's Turner 950 in the up to 1000cc class. On the last day we saw a mini off the road in some trees with the bonnet up so we stopped and I went over to help. They were changing twin SUs for a single. At post-rally scrutineering a Ford Anglia driver was most reluctant to raise his bonnet but eventually the Scutineers prevailed and found he had a supercharger! Much later I bought the Turner and still have it.
Some great ones, and the other famous one in the early 80s about in F1 the cars were only weighed ata certain point during the weekend. Nigel Roebuck spotted an engine cover which needed 4 men to lift..
In the 50s, Chapman tried to enter a race with a Lotus with the bulkhead made of cardboard, painted silver...
Roebuck also talks about one F1 driver deliberately choosing to race with a thinner, illegal (but lightweight) Helment. Think about that..
In the 50s, Chapman tried to enter a race with a Lotus with the bulkhead made of cardboard, painted silver...
Roebuck also talks about one F1 driver deliberately choosing to race with a thinner, illegal (but lightweight) Helment. Think about that..
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