RE: Ecclestone Says No To Electric Pit Lane

[Nick3point2]

pagani1 said:

When will F1 realise KERS is
1. Dangerous
2. Potentially lethal
3. More weight to lug around
So why would they want more ELECTRICITY on the car?-Bonkers

Wow that's misinformed.

1) I work with KERS everyday and have never injured myself or seen anyone injured because of KERS.
2) everything is potentially lethal, have you ever seen an engine throw a piston? What about the 220mph the cars can do? Is that not inherently lethal? And also, it's 60kW. At an assumed 400V nominal (fairly standard nominal voltage) it's only 150 amps, roughly the same as a big starter motor.

KERS is no more dangerous than any other part of the car if the appropriate precautions are not taken.

3) the KERS equipped cars still get bang on the minimum weight just like the non KERS cars.

And there is no way the electric power/energy requirements of driving down a pit lane proposes any additional danger to cars already running KERS.

So I'd kindly ask you to think before you speak

Edited by Nick3point2 on Thursday 11th August 20:50

[ArnageWRC]

He's probably right - for once. Not sure what it's got to do with Bernie - he's 'just' the Promoter. I wish he'd keep out of the rules and regs, and concentrate on promoting the sport. There's more to promoting the sport than just TV, what about all the modern media, etc

[Mojocvh]

Remind me what he spouted about the BBC contract.......

[4rephill]

ArnageWRC said:

He's probably right - for once. Not sure what it's got to do with Bernie - he's 'just' the Promoter. I wish he'd keep out of the rules and regs, and concentrate on promoting the sport. There's more to promoting the sport than just TV, what about all the modern media, etc

+1 When it comes to the sporting regulations Bernie has no say whatsoever, he can only give his opinion and the FIA can completely ignore it if they wish so I think this article is giving him more credit than he actually deserves!.

cjj799 said:

As it is I'm not looking forward to 1.6L V6's. Sounds like something you'd have in a Cortina. Hope they dont sound like Cortinas.

A 1.6L V6 in a Cortina?, I don't think so! (in an old Mitsubishi maybe!).

Also, I can't recall too many complaints about the noise when we last had small displacement turbo's in F1. Mind you it did help that they could achieve @740~900BHP in race trim, and @800~1300BHP (for BMW's M12/13-1 engine), in qualifying trim!.

[thewheelman]

diddly69 said:

thewheelman said:

I remember when F1 was entertaining....

It is

Nowhere near the level it used to be though.

[scholesy]

cjj799 said:

As it is I'm not looking forward to 1.6L V6's. Sounds like something you'd have in a Cortina. Hope they dont sound like Cortinas.

What cortina has ever had a 1.6 v6? haha, would definitely be after one if they had ever done a 1.6 v6 turbo!

I think the 1.6 v6 rule will make an interesting challenge, it is that sort of thing that seperates F1 from sports like football, if f1 had rules that never changed it would get samey in much the same way as most other sports. I look forward to seeing how the teams adapt to the challenge, just my two cents

[Gary C]

With all the evil, underhand, devious lies that come out of this malignant toads mouth, he had to get at least one thing right.

still does not excuse the breach of contract he has engineered with the bbc and sky.

come on fota, stand by your right to have free to air coverage in the uk. its your sponsorship money thats at risk !

[TheArchitect]

I was looking forward to it in some ways! think of it this way

-All the noises from the brakes, gear box etc will be apparent down the pit lane and offer something mildly different
-the engine firing up and giving it the beans at the end of the speed limited area which will also cause countless entertaining moments from drivers cocking it up to engines not catching etc etc.

[Eric Mc]

Interesting article from Nigel Roebuck

http://www.motorsportmagazine.co.uk/2011/08/12/the...

[PaulK]

Gary C said:

With all the evil, underhand, devious lies that come out of this malignant toads mouth, he had to get at least one thing right.

still does not excuse the breach of contract he has engineered with the bbc and sky.

come on fota, stand by your right to have free to air coverage in the uk. its your sponsorship money thats at risk !

+1

and while I am at it get rid of KERS it has no place in F1

[Nick3point2]

PaulK said:

+1

and while I am at it get rid of KERS it has no place in F1

Why does it have no place in F1? I thought the whole point of motorsport is to drive the development of technology to filter down to road cars? And correct me if I'm wrong, but there an F1 designed KERS has made it's way into jaguar and will soon be in volvo, not to mention the same company running a system at Le Mans. If it wasn't for F1 KERS none of that would have happened.

[cjj799]

scholesy said:

What cortina has ever had a 1.6 v6? haha, would definitely be after one if they had ever done a 1.6 v6 turbo!

I think the 1.6 v6 rule will make an interesting challenge, it is that sort of thing that seperates F1 from sports like football, if f1 had rules that never changed it would get samey in much the same way as most other sports. I look forward to seeing how the teams adapt to the challenge, just my two cents

Ok, there may not have been a Cortina V6, but there certainly was a Granada.

My point was that for me as a petrolhead, F1 is as much about the sound as anything else. Having heard 3.5 V12's, 3L V10,s and the current 2.5 V8's in the flesh, I just think a 1.6 V6 is not going to sound as good.

[vonuber]

Nick3point2 said:

PaulK said:

+1

and while I am at it get rid of KERS it has no place in F1

Why does it have no place in F1? I thought the whole point of motorsport is to drive the development of technology to filter down to road cars? And correct me if I'm wrong, but there an F1 designed KERS has made it's way into jaguar and will soon be in volvo, not to mention the same company running a system at Le Mans. If it wasn't for F1 KERS none of that would have happened.

Yeah, I'd Like to know why as well.

[Eric Mc]

vonuber said:

Nick3point2 said:

PaulK said:

+1

and while I am at it get rid of KERS it has no place in F1

Why does it have no place in F1? I thought the whole point of motorsport is to drive the development of technology to filter down to road cars? And correct me if I'm wrong, but there an F1 designed KERS has made it's way into jaguar and will soon be in volvo, not to mention the same company running a system at Le Mans. If it wasn't for F1 KERS none of that would have happened.

Yeah, I'd Like to know why as well.

In the past, technology was embraced by motor sport to make your car faster and better than the oponents' cars. Now technology is being forced upon teams in order to create a postive public image.

Energy recovery systems belong on buses and trains - not on racing cars.

[gumsie]

Nick3point2 said:

Why does it have no place in F1? I thought the whole point of motorsport is to drive the development of technology to filter down to road cars? And correct me if I'm wrong, but there an F1 designed KERS has made it's way into jaguar and will soon be in volvo, not to mention the same company running a system at Le Mans. If it wasn't for F1 KERS none of that would have happened.

You forgot active suspension and turbocharging to name just two. Oh not they outlawed those didn't they? Forced induction may be coming back but as yet it isn't here. It's all about the money baby so don't kid yourself.

[Inertiatic]

I thought mclaren generated the idea of KERS in F1 a while back for performance reasons?

Also, why would the teams choose to use fuel in the pit lane if they don't have to? More fuel for racing...

[Eric Mc]

Inertiatic said:

I thought mclaren generated the idea of KERS in F1 a while back for performance reasons?

Also, why would the teams choose to use fuel in the pit lane if they don't have to? More fuel for racing...

I agree. they could use a wind up rubber band system for entering and exiting the pits. Much greener - and even quieter, than battery power.

[Munich]

The Danimal said:

Munich said:

oilit said:

I think the point I was trying to make though was who in their right mind crosses a road or car park without first looking to see whats coming???? Its the same with these people with iphone/ipod headphones on, since their ability to hear when cycling or walking is impaired does that negate the need for them to use their visual senses to determine danger?!

Exactly. Albeit that a car is a big chunk of metal, somethings brightly coloured, it seems to be the fault of the driver for not making themselves seem or heard when moving to other road users.

It is like the idea of making all electric and hybrid cars (while driving on electric power) to have a beeper going off. How stupid is that! I would like to see how that is going to work in residential areas, where after 10pm you are not legally allowed to use your horn.

I was actually walking past the car whilst it was parked nose out in the parking space. As I got to walking past the bonnet the driver 'gassed it' or more 'amped it', at which point the front scooped me up and I did a comedy Lee Majors role onto the bonnet, I thought it was all quite fun but the driver was mortified and said they were very sorry but didn't look before setting off. Just thought I'd set the record straight, and no harm done, just seamed quite timely that's all.

You are quite right with your example - here the driver simply didn't look before moving off. Maybe if the car had the petrol engine running you might have approached the car differently because you would have been aware that someone was in the car and assumed that that someone was about to drive off.

I suppose my point is that once electric vehicles are under way on a normal road, then it really should be the responsibility of the pedestrian to make sure the road is clear before crossing and not assume the road is clear simply be virtue of no noise.

As far as I'm concerned, one of the benefits of going electric is that the back ground noise of cars will be far quieter.

[locogeoff]

Ford did put the 2.3l V6 colgne in a cortina. showig my age now.

[locogeoff]

I should have added, that when crossing the road it shuld be the responsibility of the pedestrian to ensure there is no vehicle approching, hen pulling away it the responsibility of the driver to ensure the way is clear.

Also as far as I'm aware KERS is an option in F1, teams do not have to implement it.