RE: PH blog: Why Bernie makes me angry

[pistonecosse]

He's old & will be deceased soon (if there's any justice). He'd do well to remember that he won't be able to take all that money with him when he goes either, though his spoilt brat of a daughter seems to be doing a damn good job wasting lots of it.

[Monkey boy 1]

Who is there to take over the reigns when Burnt Ecclescake pops his clogs ? No one as far as I know. So someone with better ideas for the sport may come in and take over. Someone who will listen to the fans.

Well I hope this happens anyway

[DonkeyApple]

ukaskew said:

The sponsors are going to love 12 or 13 races around circuits with a couple of thousand spectators spread thinly around the grandstands. Silverstone has more for Friday practice than many countries can hope for on a race day.

I would be interested to know how many Europeans make up the numbers at many of the 'away' races, you are never far from a Brit in the crowd at an F1 race.

No one cares about spectators. They are of little consequence. Some circuits in Europe need them to help pay for buying an F1 race. But other than that they serve little to no purpose.

The industry is all about viewers and promo events and advertising, brand awareness, product placement.

At a race the only relevant people are the rich and beautiful in the paddock as they are seen on TV and remind all the viewers what an asperational sport F1 is and how asperational the products of the sponsors are.

There is no need for actual spectators. Just hire a few hundred Poles to eave various flags and zoom in on them for a few camera moments during each event.

Not a single sponsor is paying that amount of money to promote their product to a few thousand sport enthusiasts. They are there for the millions of TV viewers and magazine features etc.

[phil633]

Out Bernie out, will we really miss F1?, there are lots of other events on the motorsport calender we can watch. Try V8 supercars on Motors TV. Only a two car series but good racing and good explanation of tactics, also presenters trackside give good info on pit action and what went wrong with the cars.

[P4ROT]

dele said:

But an old idiot, who will die before F1 does hopefully, so take pleasure in that

+1

[jreddihough]

with some of his comments you would think he was some god awful american billionaire dismissing europe as an irrelevant venue. What history or fan base do these new markets he wants to go to have? its pretty much constantly packed to the rafters in the euro races. i know this doesn't equate to masses of money for F1 as a whole but when you see these new destinations with empty stands it looks pathetic.

Edited by jreddihough on Wednesday 7th December 20:05

[Rich_W]

The VAST MAJORITY of posters in this thread have no fking clue what they are talking about.

Christ, you read the headlines. Your blood boils and you go all Daily Mail vitriol. (though I guess I'm just as bad having read this thread) And as I've said on other forums a lot of it is becasue he is "considerably richer than yow" that fires this bullst.

Try doing your homework. Read some "impartial" sites for the ACTUAL facts about what Bernie owns, what he controls, where his influence is. Who PAYS HIM, who he is employed by. WHO ARRANGED THIS DEAL WITH SKY (not him, that was the BBC) etc etc

In fact we covered this very subject last week. But now PH Blogs about it, we get 8 pages of ill considered crap.

Carry on Bernie has made the teams RICH. They LOVE him, so don't expect them to run from him any time soon.

[bonerp]

Oddball RS said:

As far as F1 is concerned............ 'Bernie is the past'

The sooner he curls his toes up the better.

The sooner the better. tt.

[audidoody]

I have a dream where Bernie snuffs it and his two window-licking daughters lose the lot through an immaculate scam perpetrated by Russian drug lords.

[Kong]

Rich_W said:

The VAST MAJORITY of posters in this thread have no fking clue what they are talking about.

Christ, you read the headlines. Your blood boils and you go all Daily Mail vitriol. (though I guess I'm just as bad having read this thread) And as I've said on other forums a lot of it is becasue he is "considerably richer than yow" that fires this bullst.

Try doing your homework. Read some "impartial" sites for the ACTUAL facts about what Bernie owns, what he controls, where his influence is. Who PAYS HIM, who he is employed by. WHO ARRANGED THIS DEAL WITH SKY (not him, that was the BBC) etc etc

In fact we covered this very subject last week. But now PH Blogs about it, we get 8 pages of ill considered crap.

Carry on Bernie has made the teams RICH. They LOVE him, so don't expect them to run from him any time soon.

Some of that may be the case, but hes still a dhead. Same when Max Mosley was FIA chairman, he was a dhead too. I'd like to see someone in charge who actually gives a st about the sport of F1 as well as just the money.

[kim99]

Hes too much of a monopoly & obviously has no interest in the sport, only money, so I hope a) he either pops his clogs in a mountain of cocaine wearing a nazi uniform so the press can crucify him or b) he gets splattered by an F1 car while at one of his new race venues !!

[Housey]

fatboy69 said:

He is an idiot!!!

Probably the one thing he isn't. Everything is calculated, always an agenda with Bernie.

[Rich_W]

Kong.

Lets talk about Mosely. His lasting legacy is that he made F1 safer during his tenure. Particularly after Senna.Ratzenberger incident. He was also right when he pointed out that manufacturers are fickle with motorsport commitments. See Sauber BMW.

CAn you elaborate on your viewpoint please (keep it civil-ish )

[Dr Imran T]

DonkeyApple said:

No one cares about spectators. They are of little consequence. Some circuits in Europe need them to help pay for buying an F1 race. But other than that they serve little to no purpose.

The industry is all about viewers and promo events and advertising, brand awareness, product placement.

At a race the only relevant people are the rich and beautiful in the paddock as they are seen on TV and remind all the viewers what an asperational sport F1 is and how asperational the products of the sponsors are.

There is no need for actual spectators. Just hire a few hundred Poles to eave various flags and zoom in on them for a few camera moments during each event.

Not a single sponsor is paying that amount of money to promote their product to a few thousand sport enthusiasts. They are there for the millions of TV viewers and magazine features etc.

some good points there - that perhaps explains why some race series tend to run with almost zero spectators in the stands.

[Claypole]

[Derek Smith]

Rich_W said:

Kong.

Lets talk about Mosely. His lasting legacy is that he made F1 safer during his tenure. Particularly after Senna.Ratzenberger incident. He was also right when he pointed out that manufacturers are fickle with motorsport commitments. See Sauber BMW.

CAn you elaborate on your viewpoint please (keep it civil-ish )

Let us talk about Mosley's tenure and legacy.

Mosley made F1 safer, eh? Let's not foreget that the Senna/Ratzenberger deaths happened on his watch. He was under the cosh and had nowhere else to go but along the lines of safer cars. He was pushed, he didn't do the pushing.

It didn't take a genius to work out that manufacturers are fickle. It is in the history of the sport.

One of the reasons the manufacturers left is lack of support from the FIA. Some suggest that it was because they were powerful and could provide opposition to the FIA in the negotiations for the concord agreement. It was almost as if the FIA wanted to give Bernie a free hand. The FIA had ensured that they had no money nor authority over F1.

Have you ever wondered why, given that a number of people in the know were talking about the dangers of F1, that there was no report on Mosley's desk to suggest changes? I've always wondered if there had been whether Mosley would have just left it there until there was a death. Or two.

Mosley pushed F1 along the lines of a simgle make series. He destroyed utterly the staged build-up, the practice ground for chassis manufacturers. He didn't want different teams, different engines, different aerodynamics. That would mean that a breakaway was a posibility.

It seems odd that everyone talks of Mosley as regards safety when the cars could have been modified years before he was forced to.

The current problems with F1 are Mosley's legacy.

[edinph]

I assume he means it's dead in Europe as he's bled it dry and there is no more dosh for him!

[CampDavid]

Derek Smith said:

Rich_W said:

Kong.

Lets talk about Mosely. His lasting legacy is that he made F1 safer during his tenure. Particularly after Senna.Ratzenberger incident. He was also right when he pointed out that manufacturers are fickle with motorsport commitments. See Sauber BMW.

CAn you elaborate on your viewpoint please (keep it civil-ish )

Let us talk about Mosley's tenure and legacy.

Mosley made F1 safer, eh? Let's not foreget that the Senna/Ratzenberger deaths happened on his watch. He was under the cosh and had nowhere else to go but along the lines of safer cars. He was pushed, he didn't do the pushing.

It didn't take a genius to work out that manufacturers are fickle. It is in the history of the sport.

One of the reasons the manufacturers left is lack of support from the FIA. Some suggest that it was because they were powerful and could provide opposition to the FIA in the negotiations for the concord agreement. It was almost as if the FIA wanted to give Bernie a free hand. The FIA had ensured that they had no money nor authority over F1.

Have you ever wondered why, given that a number of people in the know were talking about the dangers of F1, that there was no report on Mosley's desk to suggest changes? I've always wondered if there had been whether Mosley would have just left it there until there was a death. Or two.

Mosley pushed F1 along the lines of a simgle make series. He destroyed utterly the staged build-up, the practice ground for chassis manufacturers. He didn't want different teams, different engines, different aerodynamics. That would mean that a breakaway was a posibility.

It seems odd that everyone talks of Mosley as regards safety when the cars could have been modified years before he was forced to.

The current problems with F1 are Mosley's legacy.

Your views are usually worth a listen Derek but you're a bit wide of the mark here.

2 deaths in F1 under Mosely's watch. That's two too many but he has to be given credit, not just for the fatality reduction but in terms of injuries as well. I can't remember the last time someone had a career-ender in F1. Sadly, as we've seen this year, with Indycar and MotoGP burying a competitor and rallying injuring Kubica.

Manufacturer wise - the same problem as any Motorsport - manufacturers enter to win. Only one could do that (Renault) and there attitude after winning was that the mission was complete. No point in pushing on as hard in the future. The same has happened in touring cars, rallying and every other sport over the years.

I don't agree with everything they've done but I don't think you're accusations are fair

[CampDavid]

Bernie wise - anyone who knows anything about Bernie will know that Bernie doesn't say what he thinks, Bernie says what will benefit him the most. Europe likes to think that it's the centre of the developed world, Bernie is pointing out that maybe Europe's finished - prove him wrong and put on a show.

He is, as always, just touting for business. If the article makes you angry, then you should probably feel a little bit silly

[Derek Smith]

CampDavid said:

David,

You have mail.

Derek