The WRC 2012 Thread

[anonymous-user]

Saw them on FB. Looks quite bad, going to see on the highlights later.

[Emeye]

That could be a VW, or any WRC/S2000 car! Looks quite an off...

P I Staker said:

Edited by P I Staker on Thursday 19th January 18:28

[Allyc85]

Just read on Autosport that the co-driver has a minor arm injury, but is not believed to be broken.

Im praying for some mad weather over there for the next few days to shake things right up!

[interloper]

So far I have been impressed with the coverage on Eurosport, shame about the billiards over run but what can you do (sadly far more people would rather watch a pub game than the Monte). Real shame about Ogier and JML (what unfortunate initials!) I was routing for both to do well. Oh and Gabon, for those confused by the adds is a Country in Africa, not sure why the need to advertise on Eurosport and cant get my head around what they are advertising, its not like a tourism add is it?!

[anonymous-user]

The highlights need to be longer. I know they're highlights but an hour show would be great.

[ermi]

Ogiers crash http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...

[P I Staker]

ermi said:

Ogiers crash http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...

That was a very McRae style crash, taking a biggish cut when he probably shouldnt have. Unlucky.

[MrKipling43]

Allyc85 said:

Sorry, but open your eyes, the link says results

And what ive said is hardly ground breaking news!

Yeah, I had my eyes open, which is why I saw 'Loeb still controlling it' and 'Ogier still in sixth'.

If you're going to post a link to results, just post the link, if you're going to mention specific standings, why not use the spoilers reveal thingy... like EVERYONE else is doing.

[Mini1275]

Sebastien Loeb continues to extend his Monte Carlo Rally lead, having judged the conditions perfectly as the weather changed on Friday morning.

SS12 featured two kilometres of snow and ice, and Loeb (Citroen) was one of several drivers to run on four studded tyres, allowing him to pull over two minutes clear of second-placed Dani Sordo.

The Mini driver used two winter tyres without studs, and though he lost 36 seconds to Loeb, he gained over a minute on his second-place rival Petter Solberg, whose Ford was running entirely on slicks.

That dropped Solberg a minute behind Sordo in the overall standings, but he is still 36s clear of fourth-placed Mikko Hirvonen despite the Finn taking his first stage win in Citroen colours on SS12 as he too chose all-studded tyres.

M-Sport Ford duo Evgeny Novikov and Francois Delecour remain fifth and sixth, but after taking seventh with a strong time on SS11, their team-mate Ott Tanak fell back to eighth behind Pierre Campana on SS12 as the Mini driver also picked the right tyres and set an impressive third-fastest time.

Leading positions after SS12:

Pos Driver Team/Car Time/Gap
1. Sebastien Loeb Citroen 3h14m13.6s
2. Dani Sordo Mini + 2m09.0s
3. Petter Solberg Ford + 3m09.6s
4. Mikko Hirvonen Citroen + 3m45.9s
5. Evgeny Novikov M-Sport Ford + 4m25.7s
6. Francois Delecour M-Sport Ford + 6m19.9s
7. Pierre Campana Mini + 7m24.7s
8. Ott Tanak M-Sport Ford + 8m17.9s
9. P-G Andersson Proton + 12m15.0s
10. Kevin Abbring VW Skoda + 13m59.6s


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97109

Things are starting to spread out a bit now.

[anonymous-user]

Mini1275 said:

Sebastien Loeb continues to extend his Monte Carlo Rally lead, having judged the conditions perfectly as the weather changed on Friday morning.

SS12 featured two kilometres of snow and ice, and Loeb (Citroen) was one of several drivers to run on four studded tyres, allowing him to pull over two minutes clear of second-placed Dani Sordo.

The Mini driver used two winter tyres without studs, and though he lost 36 seconds to Loeb, he gained over a minute on his second-place rival Petter Solberg, whose Ford was running entirely on slicks.

That dropped Solberg a minute behind Sordo in the overall standings, but he is still 36s clear of fourth-placed Mikko Hirvonen despite the Finn taking his first stage win in Citroen colours on SS12 as he too chose all-studded tyres.

M-Sport Ford duo Evgeny Novikov and Francois Delecour remain fifth and sixth, but after taking seventh with a strong time on SS11, their team-mate Ott Tanak fell back to eighth behind Pierre Campana on SS12 as the Mini driver also picked the right tyres and set an impressive third-fastest time.

Leading positions after SS12:

Pos Driver Team/Car Time/Gap
1. Sebastien Loeb Citroen 3h14m13.6s
2. Dani Sordo Mini + 2m09.0s
3. Petter Solberg Ford + 3m09.6s
4. Mikko Hirvonen Citroen + 3m45.9s
5. Evgeny Novikov M-Sport Ford + 4m25.7s
6. Francois Delecour M-Sport Ford + 6m19.9s
7. Pierre Campana Mini + 7m24.7s
8. Ott Tanak M-Sport Ford + 8m17.9s
9. P-G Andersson Proton + 12m15.0s
10. Kevin Abbring VW Skoda + 13m59.6s


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97109

Things are starting to spread out a bit now.

Good to see Hirvonen off the mark.

I enjoy this picture from day 1

[pixelpimp]

Day 2 coverage much better, like the dry wit of the voice over guy.
That ogier crash was amazing, very lucky to get away with it. Still a talent to admire.
Shame about super rally, should be up to the teams not organisers.
Routing for Solberg still.

[DeltaForce]

Think that Apple Pie Loeb was scoffing had fairy dust in it... Cruise control again.

After SS13: Loeb 3:31:25:2, Sordo +2:12:4, Petter +3:19:2, Hirvonen +3:43, Novikov +4:28:2

[EDLT]

The commentators on Eurosport's coverage are awful.

[TankRS]

yup, he gets the names wrong so many times, called Denis Giraudet - Danny last night, and Ott Tanak as otto tanak, theres a few other thingd i noticed but forget now, stuck in work means i dontget to see it till later on sky+

its a small thing to get in a niggle over i know but cmon! he must have car/driver names infront of him

[Emeye]

Spent all day in my loft room decorating and listening to World Rally Radio through the iRally app. Really enjoyed it.

[anonymous-user]

EDLT said:

The commentators on Eurosport's coverage are awful.

I'd like someone a bit more 'excited' as well as educated. Bit like the F1 commentators.
F1 coverage is sublime.

[EDLT]

PSBuckshot said:

EDLT said:

The commentators on Eurosport's coverage are awful.

I'd like someone a bit more 'excited' as well as educated. Bit like the F1 commentators.
F1 coverage is sublime.

Its not just that one of the commentators was drunk and the other bored, but at one point they both said "And then he crashed" a good 20-30 seconds before showing the crash.

[GTRacer1]

touring fan said:

That's because you watched it on the wrong channel.

The MotorsTV coverage is not the full WRC TV broadcast. Motors only show mainly incar shots, not the full production. Eurosport show the full WRC coverage.

Actually the coverage is identical on both channels this year, Only difference is commentator, Eurosport use the terrible Carlton Kirby while MotorsTV use Julian Porter.


I have thus far hated EuroSport's coverage of WRC just like I dislike there IRC coverage (The live coverage is Ok but the highlight shows are terrible as you never fully get the story of the rally, its all about the live stages & coverage from the rest of them are terrible).

The helicopter shots were nice but the in-car shots were boring.
One of the things i have always loved about wrc coverage is the in-car shots, watching the drivers throwing the cars about & having a nice varierty of in-car angles. the in-car cameras eurosport use take away a lot of the sensation of speed, you can't see the drivers input on the controls & there was only 1 angle. plus there was no lengthy in-car shots used so getting an idea of what the stages were like was impossible.

The shots we got were not bad, You can see the road ahead, However it gives very little indication of how much driver input is been put in which makes it hard to see how hard he's pushing & how much the car is moving around, Also you can't see stuff like if the cars oversteering/understeering as they are not as easy to pick up from the shots we got.

As I said always loved the varierty of shots used in WRC, You got a great sence of speed from the low down front bumper-cam, How close the cars were getting to the trackside stuff from the cameras placed in mirrors/doors/wings, Got to see how hard the driver/co-driver were concentrating from the shots looking back at them from the dashboard, Got to see how hard the drivers feet were working from the angle looking at the pedals, We also briefly saw a helmet camera last year which was fantastic.

Day 2 highlights even worse than day 1, Carlton Kirby doing Eurosport's commentary, hardly any In-Car footage, Jumping from stage to stage too quickly, 10Mins to re-cap day 1 & then hardly any footage at all from stages 5+6.

Also they kinda got Ogier's crash from a Fan-Cam, In the past we'd have got an In-Car shot as all ISC's units recorded to a recorder inside the car, All the Eurosport units are live beamed upto the helecopter so if the helecopter isnt around the car or that car's camera is not active we don't get to see the footage from it.

Also missing the In-Car stages ISC used to post on YouTube, Understand Eurosport will not be continuing that as there not getting enough In-Car material to post there for reasons stated above.


If this is the future look of WRC programming, Then I will not be watching!

[interloper]

I have to agree with you on the recap situation, that was ridiculous but personally I think Carlton Kirby's dry witty commentary is great. Cant abide high pitched excitable muppet commentarys and the previous guy who commentated the WRC on Motors was bloody awful.

[epom]

does anyone else think that the guy commentating on motors tv isnt exactly concentrating soley on that job, its like he's also reading a book or something at the same time.