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PSBuckshot
Original Poster
4,642 posts
28 months
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ArnageWRC said: How can they even think of dropping New Zealand – the best roads in the WRC. To be replaced by what? Another identikit dry, gravel Rally in India/Brazil, etc It’s simple – use your best events for the WRC and get rid of the poor events. Its like Bernie with F1 all over again. Really don't like the FIA.
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Allyc85
3,699 posts
55 months
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ArnageWRC said: How can they even think of dropping New Zealand – the best roads in the WRC. To be replaced by what? Another identikit dry, gravel Rally in India/Brazil, etc It’s simple – use your best events for the WRC and get rid of the poor events. Agreed! If they want to save money, drop a couple rounds and only have the very finest, unique events that people actually want to watch!
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TankRS
1,425 posts
23 months
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Chris Atkinson to drive Nasser Al Attiyah DS3 at WRC Finland. should be interesting. and worth knowing which one he prefers to drive, having driven both front running WRC cars this year now. obviously at the event he will be slightly more biased towards the Citroen that he's been gifted!  but i for one would like to know which one he honestly thinks is the better car. helping us understand if it is just Loeb dominating through immense skill or if the car is playing a massive part too? and if Ford have a competitive car but the inconsistent drivers are making it look slightly worse than it should be?? http://www.citroen-wrc.com/en/2012/news/wrc-news/3...
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Allyc85
3,699 posts
55 months
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That is great news, Chris is a quick driver and Finland should suit a "brave" driver like him!
Didnt Hirvonen say that it literally took a couple miles for him to realise why the Citreon was so much better? Think he hinted that it was something to do with the diffs and the way it pulled out of the tighter corners.
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TankRS
1,425 posts
23 months
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Allyc85 said: That is great news, Chris is a quick driver and Finland should suit a "brave" driver like him!
Didnt Hirvonen say that it literally took a couple miles for him to realise why the Citreon was so much better? Think he hinted that it was something to do with the diffs and the way it pulled out of the tighter corners. I vaguely remember something like that from mikko. Wasn't it something like the ford is marginally quicker on the straight faster roads, but the citroen being tighter and faster in the twisted? Or was it vice versa!? Lol
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TankRS
1,425 posts
23 months
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Allyc85
3,699 posts
55 months
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Finland is amazing, I will go there one day! According to MN Citreon are having a board meeting tomorrow to decide their WRC future and with falling car sales, I can only see them pulling out if im honest  If they do stay another rumour is that Loeb will only do a partial season so he can go play at other things. Shame really as id love to see him head to head with Ogier. Maybe they are scared of the competition from VW?
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sanf
357 posts
41 months
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Allyc85 said: Finland is amazing, I will go there one day! According to MN Citreon are having a board meeting tomorrow to decide their WRC future and with falling car sales, I can only see them pulling out if im honest If they do stay another rumour is that Loeb will only do a partial season so he can go play at other things. Shame really as id love to see him head to head with Ogier. Maybe they are scared of the competition from VW? In fairness who can blame them, once Loeb does call it a day the French supremecy will be brought to an end, and when you consider.... There isn't a 1.6T 4x4 road car DS3.... There is no wrc promoter in place..... There are no world wide TV rights in place.... Citroen & Ford do seem to want different things to the new direction the FIA is taking.... Only VW are commited long term to the WRC, but apparently even that is being reveiwed, Ford are going year by year... There super French driver is about to call it a day.... It's costs loads of money with on the face of it little return, with dwindling interest. Hopefully the next few years will change a lot of the above, but as things stand who can blame them 
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MG CHRIS
2,691 posts
36 months
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It's sad that the wrc has gone this way but who can blame ford and citroen from not entering when people haven't a clue when it's on etc etc pretty much like the wtcc with chevrolet when will the fia learn and rally organsiers aswel.
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TankRS
1,425 posts
23 months
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i hope citroen and ford decide to stay in the series for longer. especially if his holiness Seb Loeb does call it a day or drop down to a partial programme.
With him out of the running, the series will get more exciting with more than just 2 title contenders as the last few years have been, hopefully bringing the excitement back to the series that the tv and sponsors are desperate for!
As much as i like Loeb and his achievements in the sport. His domination has imho had an impact on the desirability of the sport. His domination after proper competitors like Gronholm left just turned it into the Seb Loeb & Citroen show, though no fault of their/his own it is all a bit tedious tbh.
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rwindmill
97 posts
27 months
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If WRC is going to survive (and possibly thrive) it has to revert to using cars that the spectator can identify with and also buy in a similar spec.
As much as it pains me to say it, i think the BRC is going in the right direction. The cars are familiar and you can buy a similar spec machine from the showroom, plus the field is fairly even in ability so you get varied winners.
I know the spectacle is down comapred to a full spec WRC car, but maybe that is a price we have to pay to kept the sport alive.
If something isnt done, i can see World Class rallying disappearing within the next 10 years
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GravelBen
10,028 posts
99 months
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rwindmill said: If WRC is going to survive (and possibly thrive) it has to revert to using cars that the spectator can identify with and also buy in a similar spec.
As much as it pains me to say it, i think the BRC is going in the right direction. The cars are familiar and you can buy a similar spec machine from the showroom, plus the field is fairly even in ability so you get varied winners. What spec does the BRC run? NZRC is Group-N which I have no problem with, the quick drivers are still plenty exciting enough to watch.
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EDLT
14,580 posts
75 months
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GravelBen said: rwindmill said: If WRC is going to survive (and possibly thrive) it has to revert to using cars that the spectator can identify with and also buy in a similar spec.
As much as it pains me to say it, i think the BRC is going in the right direction. The cars are familiar and you can buy a similar spec machine from the showroom, plus the field is fairly even in ability so you get varied winners. What spec does the BRC run? Incredibly slow and boring Fiestas that somehow still cost £50k+
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sanf
357 posts
41 months
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EDLT said: GravelBen said: rwindmill said: If WRC is going to survive (and possibly thrive) it has to revert to using cars that the spectator can identify with and also buy in a similar spec.
As much as it pains me to say it, i think the BRC is going in the right direction. The cars are familiar and you can buy a similar spec machine from the showroom, plus the field is fairly even in ability so you get varied winners. What spec does the BRC run? Incredibly slow and boring Fiestas that somehow still cost £50k+ That's a bit harsh. This years championship is shaping up nicely, with an interesting mix of cars across R1,R2 & R3 - Twingo Clio DS3 Fabia Fiesta With the potential for more manufacturers to join in. While they are not exactly cheap to run, noaround the same as grp N 4x4 car, the chamapionship has choosen a focus and direction to follow. Have a look at this, they are quite entertaining; http://www.youtube.com/brcmediaThere's a good debate on BRF about the IRC superceeding the BRC, with some good arguments about what they will both form if they come together. If any of the top WRC drivers jumped into the car running in the BRC they would look fantatstic, something has to be done about costs and cars that have no link to the road cars produced. Nobody other than Mini in reecent years has produced a road going version of the WRC car (Suzuki, Ford, Citroen, Skoda, Hyundai) even VW don't with the new Polo, and the irony is that Mini are now doing things half arsed!! Lets hope the powers that be, go back to basics and lay the foundations for a thirving future championship. I can't believe that Citroen will stay in the WRC having just annouced 8,000 job losses, so now is the time for the FIA to re-build.
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epom
1,293 posts
30 months
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Toyota supposedly coming back can only be good news (if only for the Castrol colours again)
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TankRS
1,425 posts
23 months
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sanf said: Nobody other than Mini in reecent years has produced a road going version of the WRC car which Mini was that?? genuine question as i didnt know they had a wrc tie in model?
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interloper
2,075 posts
124 months
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sanf said: EDLT said: GravelBen said: rwindmill said: If WRC is going to survive (and possibly thrive) it has to revert to using cars that the spectator can identify with and also buy in a similar spec.
As much as it pains me to say it, i think the BRC is going in the right direction. The cars are familiar and you can buy a similar spec machine from the showroom, plus the field is fairly even in ability so you get varied winners. What spec does the BRC run? Incredibly slow and boring Fiestas that somehow still cost £50k+ That's a bit harsh. This years championship is shaping up nicely, with an interesting mix of cars across R1,R2 & R3 - Twingo Clio DS3 Fabia Fiesta With the potential for more manufacturers to join in. While they are not exactly cheap to run, noaround the same as grp N 4x4 car, the chamapionship has choosen a focus and direction to follow. Have a look at this, they are quite entertaining; http://www.youtube.com/brcmediaThere's a good debate on BRF about the IRC superceeding the BRC, with some good arguments about what they will both form if they come together. If any of the top WRC drivers jumped into the car running in the BRC they would look fantatstic, something has to be done about costs and cars that have no link to the road cars produced. Nobody other than Mini in reecent years has produced a road going version of the WRC car (Suzuki, Ford, Citroen, Skoda, Hyundai) even VW don't with the new Polo, and the irony is that Mini are now doing things half arsed!! Lets hope the powers that be, go back to basics and lay the foundations for a thirving future championship. I can't believe that Citroen will stay in the WRC having just annouced 8,000 job losses, so now is the time for the FIA to re-build. I must admit due to the direction the BRC has gone in I have ignored it completely, the spec of the cars reads like some kind of teenagers feeder series, not professional rallying. Thankfully the MSA asphalt, Irish tarmac and gravel championships make great telly on Motors TV. The cars are quick, nearly under control and the drivers tend to be fairly barking, I will stick to watching that!
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TankRS
1,425 posts
23 months
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interloper said: drivers tend to be fairly barking, could you possibly be referring to John Indri?  the stuff he comes out with on the shows is gold! i haven’t done any of the BRC rounds this year, mainly due to work and other commitments, but most of the comments i get back off people who have attended an event is not very positive, the action can sometimes be good, but mostly its very flat and parade lap like. No more arse out stuff really, except when they try to correct the understeer.
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interloper
2,075 posts
124 months
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TankRS said: sanf said: Nobody other than Mini in reecent years has produced a road going version of the WRC car which Mini was that?? genuine question as i didnt know they had a wrc tie in model? The MINI Countryman is used as MINIs WRC car, it is available with 4wd and a 1.6 Turbo engine but I suspect there the similarity ends. It certainly no touted like a homolagation special of old, thats for sure. Yep John is amusing and his Darrian is pretty damned cool IMO. Some of the Irish drivers and co drivers can be pretty amusing at times too.
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GravelBen
10,028 posts
99 months
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I see, they have a few Fiestas down here too as a support class (some quick up and coming drivers in them) but they really don't compare to the Grp.N cars for spectacle. The classics are the most fun anyway, but thats beside the point! 
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