F1 to be shown on Sky F1 from 2012 Vol 2
Discussion
JLJ said:
I think all those who have incessantly banged on about how F1's move to Sky will be disastrous, are about to look rather silly.
It's already plain to see, that Sky are about to give us F1 fans greater access to the sport than at any other time since F1 has been broadcast.
I'll miss Jake Humphrey and David Coulthard's commentary, but this has been offset by losing the insufferable Eddie Jordan.
It will be interesting to directly compare BBC and Sky's coverage of F1.
Oh yeah, I forgot that Sky can been given special dis-compensation to do what they want... oh wait. They haven't. They will get the same amount of access every other broadcaster does, including the BBC.It's already plain to see, that Sky are about to give us F1 fans greater access to the sport than at any other time since F1 has been broadcast.
I'll miss Jake Humphrey and David Coulthard's commentary, but this has been offset by losing the insufferable Eddie Jordan.
It will be interesting to directly compare BBC and Sky's coverage of F1.
So what have we got? A broadcaster that gets the same race footage as the BBC, that will get treated just like the rest of the media by the teams, but you have to pay more for it. I don't see anything remotely 'great' enough to justify this extra cost!
Peacockantony said:
So what have we got? A broadcaster that gets the same race footage as the BBC, that will get treated just like the rest of the media by the teams, but you have to pay more for it. I don't see anything remotely 'great' enough to justify this extra cost!
Erm, wall to wall coverage and features on it's own dedicated channel? Thre i no doubt the Beeb coverage set the standard with the forum etc, but Sky simply have the airtime on a dedicated channel to feed us fans with the stuff we love. Looking good so far it has to be said.Eric Mc said:
Why should I look silly?
Some of us are not taking up the Sky deal for reasons which have little to do with the quality of the coverage - however good or bad it may turn out to be.
Ah, I see! No doubt you look back fondly to the days when we only had 4 channels. Better still, we could go back to sitting by the wireless and listening to each race.Some of us are not taking up the Sky deal for reasons which have little to do with the quality of the coverage - however good or bad it may turn out to be.
There's a word for what Sky have brought to formula 1 broadcasting, it's called 'progress'
Peacockantony said:
Oh yeah, I forgot that Sky can been given special dis-compensation to do what they want... oh wait. They haven't. They will get the same amount of access every other broadcaster does, including the BBC.
So what have we got? A broadcaster that gets the same race footage as the BBC, that will get treated just like the rest of the media by the teams, but you have to pay more for it. I don't see anything remotely 'great' enough to justify this extra cost!
A channel dedicated ENTIRELY to F1, Free practice on TV and in HD, GP 2 & 3, a weekly magazine show, F1 archive footage, much more programming related to the drivers, teams, F1 tech etc etc. All this versus 6 hours every two weeks on the BBC. Seriously, you don't see this as greater access to formula 1??So what have we got? A broadcaster that gets the same race footage as the BBC, that will get treated just like the rest of the media by the teams, but you have to pay more for it. I don't see anything remotely 'great' enough to justify this extra cost!
I think many have taken a position and will stick to it, regardless of the clear and obvious benefits to F1 fans.
Peacockantony said:
Oh yeah, I forgot that Sky can been given special dis-compensation to do what they want... oh wait. They haven't. They will get the same amount of access every other broadcaster does, including the BBC.
So what have we got? A broadcaster that gets the same race footage as the BBC, that will get treated just like the rest of the media by the teams, but you have to pay more for it. I don't see anything remotely 'great' enough to justify this extra cost!
There are a great many people on this very forum who won't be paying any extra for the F1 channel, myself included. I appreciate your opinion and that you won't pay any extra for it, but the continual seeking of justification (not just from yourself I must admit, yours is only one of the posts and closest to the bottom so I don't mean to single you out!) to NOT pay Sky, seeing it as Murdoch's cash cow when in reality his company only has a part share in the company is beginning to annoy me greatly. it's fair enough that you're not happy about the move to Sky but purely as a BUSINESS DECISION could Sky really do anything else? The BBC seemt o be getting away without blame from a large number of people when i think Sky have been brilliant so far with the launch of a dedicated channel for F1 and, personally, i can't wait for Friday to come round!So what have we got? A broadcaster that gets the same race footage as the BBC, that will get treated just like the rest of the media by the teams, but you have to pay more for it. I don't see anything remotely 'great' enough to justify this extra cost!
RYH64E said:
Bloody hell, looks like I'm going to be in China for the opening race of the season, damn.
Does anyone know how to watch the race in Shanghai? I've got Sky Go, but it doesn't work (officially) outside of the UK. Any idea how to make the computer thinbk it is in the UK? Or does anyone know if it will be broadcast in China on any channel that a standard hotel tv setup will have?
you have mail Does anyone know how to watch the race in Shanghai? I've got Sky Go, but it doesn't work (officially) outside of the UK. Any idea how to make the computer thinbk it is in the UK? Or does anyone know if it will be broadcast in China on any channel that a standard hotel tv setup will have?
JLJ said:
A channel dedicated ENTIRELY to F1, Free practice on TV and in HD, GP 2 & 3, a weekly magazine show, F1 archive footage, much more programming related to the drivers, teams, F1 tech etc etc. All this versus 6 hours every two weeks on the BBC. Seriously, you don't see this as greater access to formula 1??
I think many have taken a position and will stick to it, regardless of the clear and obvious benefits to F1 fans.
What position is that? I am not a Sky hater, I just simply cannot afford to get Sky. I already have Virgin Media TV, I can just afford that. I cannot afford the £20 increase in costs just for 1 channel, be that adding the Sky Sports pack to my VM package (a rip-off, and just pure profiteering by Sky), or my switching my TV to Sky.I think many have taken a position and will stick to it, regardless of the clear and obvious benefits to F1 fans.
These clear and obvious benefits, as you call them, even though they are not that great are still not worth the extra cost.
MissChief said:
There are a great many people on this very forum who won't be paying any extra for the F1 channel, myself included. I appreciate your opinion and that you won't pay any extra for it, but the continual seeking of justification (not just from yourself I must admit, yours is only one of the posts and closest to the bottom so I don't mean to single you out!) to NOT pay Sky, seeing it as Murdoch's cash cow when in reality his company only has a part share in the company is beginning to annoy me greatly. it's fair enough that you're not happy about the move to Sky but purely as a BUSINESS DECISION could Sky really do anything else? The BBC seemt o be getting away without blame from a large number of people when i think Sky have been brilliant so far with the launch of a dedicated channel for F1 and, personally, i can't wait for Friday to come round!
It has got nothing to do with those phone hackers, it has got to do with the unjustifiable rise in costs, for little extra.The BBC are not getting much blame because they are not the one creating themselves a monopoly of sports, and the charging ridiculous prices for them. It is the likes of Sky, who just chuck more money at the sporting rights holders, that are cutting the majority of the public of from sports, if they didn't do it, the rights holders would realise that they would have to lower the prices.
And by the way. I am paying for the channel, by doing a deal with a family member, who added the HD pack to his Sky and gave me access to his Sky Go, for £7.50 per month. It is better than being penalised for not having Sky (ie having to get the Sky Football pack) on Virgin Media.
Peacockantony said:
It has got nothing to do with those phone hackers, it has got to do with the unjustifiable rise in costs, for little extra.
Not costing me anything thanks. Peacockantony said:
The BBC are not getting much blame because they are not the one creating themselves a monopoly of sports, and the charging ridiculous prices for them.
Ignores the inconvenient truth that the BBC brokered this entire deal in the first place. Oh well.Peacockantony said:
And by the way. I am paying for the channel
Thus nicely propping up the terrible nasty monopoly you so love to hate. How strange to write a lengthy post about unjustifiable costs, terrible monopolies, and then admit to paying for it anyway!Hope you enjoy your SD stream with bad sound for more than £7.50 a race - way to stick it to the man.
I've been looking at Sky's offering recently, not just because I really want to watch F1 live....
Where I live down in Dorset we get 16channels on Freeview (we used to get 50 in London) and the 16 includes Rabbit Gay Chat and the Parliment channel (both equally useless IMO) so lets call it 14 all in SD.
If I get Sky with the HD for the F1 I also get about 200-odd other channels including numerous HD channels, it would be rather nice to see all those lovely BBC wildlife coumentaries in HD and much as the Olympics is a curse down here as it is in East London I would be able to enjoy that in HD glory, the missus will also be able to watch her US crime shows and crap like Glee roughly in line with when its first shown rather than months later and out of order on Five of Channel4. So... some fringe benefits to go with the F1.
I am miffed at the beeb letting this happen, the coverage was superb for only £170/yr, if I get Sky its £500 (still have to pay for my license like a good boy) but I go from 14 to 200+ channels, all SD to at about 40 HD channels and a PVR, can finally sling out the BT vision box that kicks out more heat than the log burner as a bonus!
I don't really care about Murdoch, looks like he'll get his due eventually anyway.
Oh and I checked, along with your M&S voucher you can get £85 cashback for Sky with Quidco at the moment to further soften the blow.
I'm tempted to give it a try for a year, its alot of money but I can always cancel is and revert to sattelite freeview next year when (undoubtable) Sky make the F1 channel pay-per-view... the only way to try it properly is to pay so you pay your money and make your choice, Auntie isn't going to change its mine because we don't like it so we just have to suck it and see.
Where I live down in Dorset we get 16channels on Freeview (we used to get 50 in London) and the 16 includes Rabbit Gay Chat and the Parliment channel (both equally useless IMO) so lets call it 14 all in SD.
If I get Sky with the HD for the F1 I also get about 200-odd other channels including numerous HD channels, it would be rather nice to see all those lovely BBC wildlife coumentaries in HD and much as the Olympics is a curse down here as it is in East London I would be able to enjoy that in HD glory, the missus will also be able to watch her US crime shows and crap like Glee roughly in line with when its first shown rather than months later and out of order on Five of Channel4. So... some fringe benefits to go with the F1.
I am miffed at the beeb letting this happen, the coverage was superb for only £170/yr, if I get Sky its £500 (still have to pay for my license like a good boy) but I go from 14 to 200+ channels, all SD to at about 40 HD channels and a PVR, can finally sling out the BT vision box that kicks out more heat than the log burner as a bonus!
I don't really care about Murdoch, looks like he'll get his due eventually anyway.
Oh and I checked, along with your M&S voucher you can get £85 cashback for Sky with Quidco at the moment to further soften the blow.
I'm tempted to give it a try for a year, its alot of money but I can always cancel is and revert to sattelite freeview next year when (undoubtable) Sky make the F1 channel pay-per-view... the only way to try it properly is to pay so you pay your money and make your choice, Auntie isn't going to change its mine because we don't like it so we just have to suck it and see.
MissChief said:
There are a great many people on this very forum who won't be paying any extra for the F1 channel, myself included. I appreciate your opinion and that you won't pay any extra for it, but the continual seeking of justification (not just from yourself I must admit, yours is only one of the posts and closest to the bottom so I don't mean to single you out!) to NOT pay Sky, seeing it as Murdoch's cash cow when in reality his company only has a part share in the company is beginning to annoy me greatly. it's fair enough that you're not happy about the move to Sky but purely as a BUSINESS DECISION could Sky really do anything else? The BBC seemt o be getting away without blame from a large number of people when i think Sky have been brilliant so far with the launch of a dedicated channel for F1 and, personally, i can't wait for Friday to come round!
There are equally many, myself included, who dont believe that the cost of getting Sky is justified by the return that they will get. I am also not sure you mean when you ask whether Sky purely as business decision could do anything else.I wait for figures to prove me wrong but I would be surprised if the additional income from people joining to watch F1 this year will justify the costs of acquiring the rights, creating the channel etc. I suspect that Sky are working on the assumption that this is a toe in the door, and now its ajar they will push it further and further. So I suspect that in due course they will have the sole rights to screen F1 in the UK, and possibly on a more expensive channel, they will push to screen it elsewhere in Europe as well. This will though have an affect on the teams income as viewing figures will fall, and so will sponsorship.
They could of course have made the decision to screen it on a Free to Air channel which broadcasts via Freeview, and paid for it by advertising.
Obviously the BBC stepped away from the contract they had, because they felt they had no option. Are they to blame for that? Possibly. However the reality is they felt they had to because the rights are so expensive, they are under financial pressure, and of course F1 is a political hot potato historically. Just as I don't blame Sky for grabbing the opportunity I dont blame the BBC for creating it.
Personally I will miss the races I would have seen but I have no wish to see practise live (and anyway I'm at work), nor time to see GP2/3 or any other stuff they are showing.
So I'll watch the BBC and avoid shelling out for Sky.
FloppyRaccoon said:
LamboFan said:
2 days and 20 hours to go...
Well that's for those of us with Sky HD
How long do those who are sticking with Auntie Beeb having to wait to watch F1...
Can't wait for Friday night
What are you going to watch then?Well that's for those of us with Sky HD
How long do those who are sticking with Auntie Beeb having to wait to watch F1...
Can't wait for Friday night
2hr preview to the season with Martin Brundle, Damon Hill and the rest of the F1 team
2 x 30min interviews with 2 of the sports biggest legends - Fittipaldi and Stewart
Then on Saturday:
Review of the 1988 season
News from the Jerez winter testing
1989 season review
Winter testing from Barcelona
Half hour interview with Christian Horner
The Lotus F1 team launch
A show with Murray Walker, Nigel Mansell and Damon Hill on their successes in the British GP's of the 90's
Review of 2011 season
Sunday...
Review of 1990 season
Force India car launch
1991 season review
McLaren F1 car launch
So for those of us who are F1 fans I think there is quite a bit to keep us happy. Oh yes, before those who've been complaining about Sky, yes these programmes will be repeated throughout the week, but that's the norm with most channels these days.
Value for money?
mmmmmm I think so
_dobbo_ said:
Thus nicely propping up the terrible nasty monopoly you so love to hate. How strange to write a lengthy post about unjustifiable costs, terrible monopolies, and then admit to paying for it anyway!
Hope you enjoy your SD stream with bad sound for more than £7.50 a race - way to stick it to the man.
I am still entitled to be p!ssed off about it, but I don't want to lose access to the only sport I watch.Hope you enjoy your SD stream with bad sound for more than £7.50 a race - way to stick it to the man.
The £20 extra a month was an unjustifiable cost for what I would receive, £7.50 is not, and I have the option to go round to my cousin's house to watch the races on his 42" plasma anyway.
To clarify, it is the rip-off that is Sky Sports that I despise, not Sky as a TV provider, there are so many people who aren't able to see this, and see every bit of negativity towards Sky as hatred.
scubadude said:
Where I live down in Dorset we get 16channels on Freeview (we used to get 50 in London) and the 16 includes Rabbit Gay Chat and the Parliment channel (both equally useless IMO) so lets call it 14 all in SD.
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I am miffed at the beeb letting this happen, the coverage was superb for only £170/yr, if I get Sky its £500 (still have to pay for my license like a good boy) but I go from 14 to 200+ channels, all SD to at about 40 HD channels and a PVR, can finally sling out the BT vision box that kicks out more heat than the log burner as a bonus!
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I'm tempted to give it a try for a year, its alot of money but I can always cancel is and revert to sattelite freeview next year when (undoubtable) Sky make the F1 channel pay-per-view... the only way to try it properly is to pay so you pay your money and make your choice, Auntie isn't going to change its mine because we don't like it so we just have to suck it and see.
We will be getting the same pathetic excuse for Freeview here in September. Freesat is a much better service.[...]
I am miffed at the beeb letting this happen, the coverage was superb for only £170/yr, if I get Sky its £500 (still have to pay for my license like a good boy) but I go from 14 to 200+ channels, all SD to at about 40 HD channels and a PVR, can finally sling out the BT vision box that kicks out more heat than the log burner as a bonus!
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I'm tempted to give it a try for a year, its alot of money but I can always cancel is and revert to sattelite freeview next year when (undoubtable) Sky make the F1 channel pay-per-view... the only way to try it properly is to pay so you pay your money and make your choice, Auntie isn't going to change its mine because we don't like it so we just have to suck it and see.
Great thing the digital switchover, advertise all these channels on TV, but don't tell them they won't be able to get them.
This could have all been avoided if the licence fee had been increased, but no people weren't happy about that, but they are perfectly happy to pay 4x the amount on the likes of Virgin Media.
The BBC aren't entirely blameless, with the purchase of the rights to The Voice, a sh!t programme that should be on ITV, they like all those crappy contest shows, paying more for the rights of both Wimbledom and Six Nations, I mean if they suddenly can't afford all of the things they say they cannot, they have been massively overspending for years.
F1 won't go pay-per-view, that just won't work. It failed in 2002, when an official F1 channel, not just a Sky Sports offering, was around, and offered a lot of features that were not available on terrestrial channels. I do however expect Sky Sports F1 to be made available only as part of the Sky Sports pack (the clue is in the name), in a year or two.
Gaz. said:
In 2007 ITV cancelled their final year of their exclusive rights, the BBC stepped in to cover 2009-2013 with a bid of £60m. C4 was already in the midst of vast cost cutting, C5 simply did not have the money anyway and Sky wasn't eligible to bid (still isn't) nor was Al Jazeera, Setanta or any other subscription broadcaster you can think of. As the only broadcaster that could buy the rights they paid an extraordinary amount of money. It'd be like bidding for a house against someone who just handed back the keys, someone else cutting back drastically because they are living beyond their means and someone living on bean on toast but that home must be sold regardless.
Sky couldn't have exclusive rights, still can't as they had to have a FTA broadcaster as a partner and rights holder so when the BBC said they were thinking of cancelling their then current deal they still could not bid for exclusive rights. C4, C5 and ITV were in a position to bid but for the same reasons I cannot marry Carla Bruni as she is already married, they could not have the rights unless the BBC relinquished them (via a financial penalty) first. C4 pitched a proposal but Bernie couldn't accept even if he wanted to. The BBC approached Sky and organised a partnership and then pitched this to Bernie who still gets the same amount of cash for 2012 & 2013 and 2014-2018 is already taken care of.
I too don't blame Sky for ripping the BBC's hand off, I don't blame Bernie for selling the rights for as much as he can, I do however blame the current situation at the feet of the BBC because they were the architects and the executioner of this situation to prevent the other FTA broadcasters from obtaining the rights to show F1 for free to anyone in the UK.
Where's the 'Like!' button on this forum?Sky couldn't have exclusive rights, still can't as they had to have a FTA broadcaster as a partner and rights holder so when the BBC said they were thinking of cancelling their then current deal they still could not bid for exclusive rights. C4, C5 and ITV were in a position to bid but for the same reasons I cannot marry Carla Bruni as she is already married, they could not have the rights unless the BBC relinquished them (via a financial penalty) first. C4 pitched a proposal but Bernie couldn't accept even if he wanted to. The BBC approached Sky and organised a partnership and then pitched this to Bernie who still gets the same amount of cash for 2012 & 2013 and 2014-2018 is already taken care of.
I too don't blame Sky for ripping the BBC's hand off, I don't blame Bernie for selling the rights for as much as he can, I do however blame the current situation at the feet of the BBC because they were the architects and the executioner of this situation to prevent the other FTA broadcasters from obtaining the rights to show F1 for free to anyone in the UK.
Also, with the much higher penetration on Digital TV services (not just Sky) I think a proper 'digital' service like F1 Digital would have a much higher chance of succeeding, but I doubt people would pay extra for it.
Gaz. said:
............. to prevent the other FTA broadcasters from obtaining the rights to show F1 for free to anyone in the UK.
Is this a matter of fact or speculation on your part? Late last year there was talk of an enquiry into 'who did what and why' (and in particular, the role of the BBC) in this deal. Did this take place or is it still on the cards?
http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/12433/757...
Here's the title sequence for F1 on Sky. I'm struggling to see why they'd want to advertise the fact that they don't have The Chain, but there you go...
Here's the title sequence for F1 on Sky. I'm struggling to see why they'd want to advertise the fact that they don't have The Chain, but there you go...
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