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Adam205
546 posts
51 months
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V8mate said: Is the series they were racing in MSA regulated?
Because if it is, I'd love to know how he got supply & fit on a rollcage, electrical cut-outs and fire system on his 328 for a grand.
I need all three on my E36 coupe: the rollcage is a grand, supply only! When I was looking at a cheap car for speed events I looked into an E36 and I could pick up a 2nd hand cage to MSA regs for £400. Isolater switch is about £20 and Fire extinguisher around £200 for a half decent 4ltr one. You need to try harder! I built a ready to race 205 for under a grand in the end. Admittedly, I spent a lot more than that subsequently improving it 
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Fantuzzi
1,428 posts
15 months
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FWDRacer said: Factually incorrect programme. How can it inspire people if the first thing they do is try and get the equipment and the Clarkson quoted costs don't stack up? They just turn on heel and head to the golf club. Here here. It was a joke of a feature, frankly I knew they didnt know anything about cars but expected better than this as it was just lies. Sad thing is some kid is going to think this is true, look into racing then realise that its 3 times as much. A better feature might have been, " What is the best way to kidnapp members of the royal family to fund your career in British GT..."
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V8mate
34,933 posts
58 months
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Adam205 said: When I was looking at a cheap car for speed events I looked into an E36 and I could pick up a 2nd hand cage to MSA regs for £400. Isolater switch is about £20 and Fire extinguisher around £200 for a half decent 4ltr one. You need to try harder! I built a ready to race 205 for under a grand in the end. Admittedly, I spent a lot more than that subsequently improving it I can't even begin to imagine how s  t a second-hand weld-in cage must be. Can you even 'un-weld' them? And none of those items fit themselves!
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Norfolkit
773 posts
59 months
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NotDave said: 1) that you'd have to do the race license. which they all have anyway
2) that you'd be upgrading the car and spending money
3) that it was epic fun. All of them were visably extatic. Far more so than when in a super-car on some of the scripted stuff. Pretty sure you can do in on a non race national B, so hardly expensive to get
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mfmman
207 posts
52 months
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V8mate said: Adam205 said: When I was looking at a cheap car for speed events I looked into an E36 and I could pick up a 2nd hand cage to MSA regs for £400. Isolater switch is about £20 and Fire extinguisher around £200 for a half decent 4ltr one. You need to try harder! I built a ready to race 205 for under a grand in the end. Admittedly, I spent a lot more than that subsequently improving it I can't even begin to imagine how s t a second-hand weld-in cage must be. Can you even 'un-weld' them? And none of those items fit themselves! Where does Adam mention weld in? If every bit of prep is going to be paid for, any motorsport is only for those with very deep pockets. Time and patience can develop a lot of skills
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Sprint Rich
118 posts
50 months
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V8mate
34,933 posts
58 months
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Sprint Rich said: I'm well aware of that product. However, given it's my son's life at stake I have a preference for something a little more substantial.
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interloper
2,074 posts
124 months
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V8mate said: Sprint Rich said: I'm well aware of that product. However, given it's my son's life at stake I have a preference for something a little more substantial. That's fair enough but you are looking at it from a protective parental point of view. Most other people inspired to do this will probably look at the OMP and think, well its fairly low speed anyway, that'll do.
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heightswitch
3,413 posts
119 months
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interloper said: V8mate said: Sprint Rich said: I'm well aware of that product. However, given it's my son's life at stake I have a preference for something a little more substantial. That's fair enough but you are looking at it from a protective parental point of view. Most other people inspired to do this will probably look at the OMP and think, well its fairly low speed anyway, that'll do. Sorry I don't understand this. a Fia certified cage is exactly what it says on the tin. just what exactly of a more substantial nature are you looking for? MSA blue book is very clear about what bits of metal are fitted into cars and what triangulation a cage has to have, along with thicknesses and tube specs? and bye the way the process of "un welding" involves a circular disc cutter of abraisive material placed upon an electrical device which rotates!! just because YOU cannot build a car for the cost doesn't mean it cannot be done..there are still some people in realworld land who can weld, spray, fabricate and generally do it for the costs outlined!!
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V8mate
34,933 posts
58 months
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heightswitch said: just because YOU cannot build a car for the cost doesn't mean it cannot be done..there are still some people in realworld land who can weld, spray, fabricate and generally do it for the costs outlined!! So, going back to last night's TG and the quoted figure, you think that J. Clarkson Esq is one of those people?
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Sprint Rich
118 posts
50 months
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V8mate
34,933 posts
58 months
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 Fantastic! I'll be sure to wrap him up well 
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Adam205
546 posts
51 months
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V8 dude, that was a safety devices 8 point bolt in cage IIRC. Would have reqd new mounting plates making up but nothing beyond the wit of man. As I said, you need to try harder 
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NHK244V
1,631 posts
41 months
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halo34 said: It did finally put the nail on the coffin for Top Gear for me, took them a while but finally got there! Been hearing that for years, so many last nails the coffin is too heavy to move.
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JB!
3,845 posts
49 months
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Just watched it!
What are the costs closer to?
I'm handy with spanners...
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Pints
14,697 posts
63 months
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V8mate said: So, going back to last night's TG and the quoted figure, you think that J. Clarkson Esq is one of those people? It's not always WHAT you know but WHO you know.
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NotDave
20,951 posts
26 months
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Norfolkit said: NotDave said: 1) that you'd have to do the race license. which they all have anyway
2) that you'd be upgrading the car and spending money
3) that it was epic fun. All of them were visably extatic. Far more so than when in a super-car on some of the scripted stuff. Pretty sure you can do in on a non race national B, so hardly expensive to get I was asking/rather than telling, as previously stated in this thread...... I've little knowledge and was appealing to those in the know
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chris7676
2,259 posts
89 months
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They have recently been inspiring although typically misleading - neither trackdays nor racing is that cheap.
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CaptainSensib1e
368 posts
90 months
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Last week they were comparing track cars, this week getting involved in some proper racing. This is exaclty what TG should be doing. I'm so bored of features on cars I will never be able to afford. I much prefer features about things I can relaistically aspire to like cheap motor racing or buying a bespoke track car. So much better than filming a stupid car chase for some B movie.
I certianbly feel inspired that one day I might be able to get involved in some kind of motor sport. Sadly not just yet, but I really hope so one day.
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scubadude
956 posts
66 months
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I can't believe some of the negativity and blinkered comments on what was a fun article in a lighthearted, entertainment television show, its not like they where on Newsnight or something so had to cross the T's and dot the i's FFS!
Their costings compared the cars to a bag of golf sticks, as such the £1400-1800 isn't miles out, obviously there are other costs in golf (stupid trousers, club membership, polishing your balls etc...) and other costs in low end motorsport- trailering, B&B's, spares, burgers, kebabs etc :-)
I thought the best part of the report was that they seemed to take it relatively seriously, (I'm sure one of the Gary's will tell us it was all setup and spoil things Ala- BBC Polar Bear incident) but they didn't blindly take each other out and delibrately crash like they do in the more regular "£1000 car" type articles.
Too many snobs on here wanting to kick the ladder out from under them and putting people off I suspect- if someones wants to go racing they will find a way to do it cheaply, even if they have to do all the work themselves (unlike Clackson, Hammond and May who no doubt just turned up on the day and did what they where told)
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