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TVRleigh_BBWR
5,822 posts
82 months
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Not sure if this is been said elsewhere, but they way Hamster was wearing his harness, was not the best advert for keeping motorsport safe. he may as well not been using one. I thought he would know better with his history.
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Gaz.
47,128 posts
120 months
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scubadude said: Their costings compared the cars to a bag of golf sticks, as such the £1400-1800 isn't miles out, obviously there are other costs in golf (stupid trousers, club membership, polishing your balls etc...) and other costs in low end motorsport- trailering, B&B's, spares, burgers, kebabs etc :-) Very few full sets of sticks cost £1800. You can buy a very nice set for £400 brand new or buy a set off ebay or local paper for loose change. My clubs were £350 brand new, my membership is £550 for 12 months. Clothes, well who hasn't got a pair of trousers, a shirt with sleeves and a neck and a jumper? My Callaway shoes were £40, my Footjoy shoes were even less. My clubs do not need any maintenance & aside from balls and tees there aren't any consumables. Tuition if you want it can be from £20 to £55 per hour around here if you wish to have it. My clubs will never be uneconomical to repair or too dangerous to be used after a shunt. If I want to play on a course I am not a member of I expect to pay £20-30 per round. The costs of motorsport and golf only overlap if you compare rock bottom grass roots motor sport using 20 year old cars vs top end brand new fully fitted sticks and play at the very best courses - should your ability qualify you to play on them and I doubt some ropey old rally cross car built & run on a budget will last as long as a set of clubs. Grass roots golf is infinitely cheaper than grass roots motorsport.
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interloper
2,068 posts
124 months
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Gaz. said: scubadude said: Their costings compared the cars to a bag of golf sticks, as such the £1400-1800 isn't miles out, obviously there are other costs in golf (stupid trousers, club membership, polishing your balls etc...) and other costs in low end motorsport- trailering, B&B's, spares, burgers, kebabs etc :-) Very few full sets of sticks cost £1800. You can buy a very nice set for £400 brand new or buy a set off ebay or local paper for loose change. My clubs were £350 brand new, my membership is £550 for 12 months. Clothes, well who hasn't got a pair of trousers, a shirt with sleeves and a neck and a jumper? My Callaway shoes were £40, my Footjoy shoes were even less. But no matter how cheap it is........ You still end up playing bloody golf! Going for a nice long stroll is way cheaper than golf and it leaves you some change to put towards some kind of motor sport activity.
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Gaz.
47,128 posts
120 months
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interloper said: Gaz. said: scubadude said: Their costings compared the cars to a bag of golf sticks, as such the £1400-1800 isn't miles out, obviously there are other costs in golf (stupid trousers, club membership, polishing your balls etc...) and other costs in low end motorsport- trailering, B&B's, spares, burgers, kebabs etc :-) Very few full sets of sticks cost £1800. You can buy a very nice set for £400 brand new or buy a set off ebay or local paper for loose change. My clubs were £350 brand new, my membership is £550 for 12 months. Clothes, well who hasn't got a pair of trousers, a shirt with sleeves and a neck and a jumper? My Callaway shoes were £40, my Footjoy shoes were even less. But no matter how cheap it is........ You still end up playing bloody golf! Going for a nice long stroll is way cheaper than golf and it leaves you some change to put towards some kind of motor sport activity. Different strokes for different folks, personally I like participating in any sport (although I do not have any inclination to try lawn bowls or croquet) and find most of them enjoyable.
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Edmundo2
417 posts
79 months
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I've played golf for many years and raced a car for two years. I can confirm that motorsport is most definately more expensive than golf!
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NotDave
20,951 posts
26 months
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interloper said: But no matter how cheap it is........ You still end up playing bloody golf! Going for a nice long stroll is way cheaper than golf and it leaves you some change to put towards some kind of motor sport activity.  take the dogs, and it's free and entertaining. Admitedly, the alsatian doesn't overly love it when a post walk ride hoom, turns into a full blown hoon around beautiful peak district roads 
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rwindmill
97 posts
27 months
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FWDRacer said: rwindmill said: With regards to cheap motorsport, i do sprint racing and that is very cheap. True enough, you dont get as many laps as the likes of the MR2 series or the 750 hot hatch championship. BUT, because there is only one car on circuit at a time you do avoid the potential for being speared at the first corner by a talentless nimrod trying come from the back of the grid to the front by using the grass on the side of the track. Differeentiation in time/experience/talent - This is what qualification is for... Sprint events are around £100 to enter, you need a Non-race National B license which cost £35, suitable helmet, overalls and gloves (£500 for the lot, but last for many seasons) and then you can enter your family run around (you would be amazed how many people do just that). I use a Clio 172 cup, many smiles per racing miles Seriously - Sprinting - Isn't it closer to smiles per seconds? Circuit racing isn't comparable - That adrenaline hit with you are lined up with everyone just before the lights go. Try getting that in Sprinting/Hillclimbing. I'd say that rallycross is the cheapest way to get the equivalent 'hit'. You're missing the point. I wasn't trying to say that any one type of motorsport is better than the other. What i was doing was putting alternative cheap motorsport options forward, and sprinting is one such alternative. From my own experience, the adrenaline kick is excellent, and the challenge lies in getting a pefect lap from a standing start.
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rwindmill
97 posts
27 months
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TXWRX said: rwindmill said: Like a lot of other people have said already, the TG article did somewhat skim over the actual cost of entering rally-cross (repairs, consumables, getting the car to and from the track). But i also agree that for the first time in a long time it was a genuine article and not the usual scripted rubbish that has become the main stay of the program.
With regards to cheap motorsport, i do sprint racing and that is very cheap. True enough, you dont get as many laps as the likes of the MR2 series or the 750 hot hatch championship. BUT, because there is only one car on circuit at a time you do avoid the potential for being speared at the first corner by a talentless nimrod trying come from the back of the grid to the front by using the grass on the side of the track.
Sprint events are around £100 to enter, you need a Non-race National B license which cost £35, suitable helmet, overalls and gloves (£500 for the lot, but last for many seasons) and then you can enter your family run around (you would be amazed how many people do just that).
I use a Clio 172 cup, many smiles per racing miles which sprints have you done? looking to do some sprinting and hillclimbing this year when the car is ready so could use some tips on good sprint events, North Yorkshire based but will travel within reason to events Based in North Yorkshie i would say your nearest venue is Harewood hillclimb circuit, but you will also be within range of Croft, Olivers Mount and Elvington airfield (im sure there are others, but these are the ones i know about). A little further afield is 3 sister (Wigan), Aintree (Liverpool) and Curborough (Litchfield). All of these are great circuit that present there own unique challenges. And all are covered by multiple motorsport clubs so there are plenty of events at each venue.
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scubadude
949 posts
66 months
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Gaz. said: Very few full sets of sticks cost £1800. You can buy a very nice set for £400 brand new or buy a set off ebay or local paper for loose change. My clubs were £350 brand new, my membership is £550 for 12 months. Clothes, well who hasn't got a pair of trousers, a shirt with sleeves and a neck and a jumper? My Callaway shoes were £40, my Footjoy shoes were even less. My clubs do not need any maintenance & aside from balls and tees there aren't any consumables. Tuition if you want it can be from £20 to £55 per hour around here if you wish to have it. My clubs will never be uneconomical to repair or too dangerous to be used after a shunt. If I want to play on a course I am not a member of I expect to pay £20-30 per round.
The costs of motorsport and golf only overlap if you compare rock bottom grass roots motor sport using 20 year old cars vs top end brand new fully fitted sticks and play at the very best courses - should your ability qualify you to play on them and I doubt some ropey old rally cross car built & run on a budget will last as long as a set of clubs. Grass roots golf is infinitely cheaper than grass roots motorsport. Well Gaz, where you are must be good value for Golf, I met a chap last week who pays £12K fees annually for golf so I guess it all "depends" :-) It was a laboured comparison no denying but for basic purposes it works- remember Top Gear isn't High-brow consumer advice and cutting edge journalism, its an hour of escapism, fun and laughs, to try and regard it as anything more is stupid IMVHO.
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Mark Benson
2,534 posts
138 months
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rwindmill said: TXWRX said: rwindmill said: Like a lot of other people have said already, the TG article did somewhat skim over the actual cost of entering rally-cross (repairs, consumables, getting the car to and from the track). But i also agree that for the first time in a long time it was a genuine article and not the usual scripted rubbish that has become the main stay of the program.
With regards to cheap motorsport, i do sprint racing and that is very cheap. True enough, you dont get as many laps as the likes of the MR2 series or the 750 hot hatch championship. BUT, because there is only one car on circuit at a time you do avoid the potential for being speared at the first corner by a talentless nimrod trying come from the back of the grid to the front by using the grass on the side of the track.
Sprint events are around £100 to enter, you need a Non-race National B license which cost £35, suitable helmet, overalls and gloves (£500 for the lot, but last for many seasons) and then you can enter your family run around (you would be amazed how many people do just that).
I use a Clio 172 cup, many smiles per racing miles which sprints have you done? looking to do some sprinting and hillclimbing this year when the car is ready so could use some tips on good sprint events, North Yorkshire based but will travel within reason to events Based in North Yorkshie i would say your nearest venue is Harewood hillclimb circuit, but you will also be within range of Croft, Olivers Mount and Elvington airfield (im sure there are others, but these are the ones i know about). A little further afield is 3 sister (Wigan), Aintree (Liverpool) and Curborough (Litchfield). All of these are great circuit that present there own unique challenges. And all are covered by multiple motorsport clubs so there are plenty of events at each venue. Sadly the Croft sprint event didn't run last year and as far as I'm aware, isn't on this year either - not enough noisy days to run everything they wanted and the sprinting day was dropped.
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Gaz.
47,128 posts
120 months
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scubadude said: Well Gaz, where you are must be good value for Golf, I met a chap last week who pays £12K fees annually for golf so I guess it all "depends" :-) Clubs with £12k fees are very few and far between, given that there are 3000 clubs and most of them are around a grand for 12 months. said: It was a laboured comparison no denying but for basic purposes it works- remember Top Gear isn't High-brow consumer advice and cutting edge journalism, its an hour of escapism, fun and laughs, to try and regard it as anything more is stupid IMVHO. I said as much in my first post on this thread.
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FWDRacer
2,838 posts
93 months
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rwindmill said: You're missing the point. I wasn't trying to say that any one type of motorsport is better than the other. What i was doing was putting alternative cheap motorsport options forward, and sprinting is one such alternative.
From my own experience, the adrenaline kick is excellent, and the challenge lies in getting a pefect lap from a standing start. My reply was a bit obtuse - my apologies. If we are talking about getting value for money within motorsport I'd argue that the track time and mileage with circuit racing (incl rallycroos) represents better value for money than sprinting/hillclimbing.
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rwindmill
97 posts
27 months
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FWDRacer said: rwindmill said: You're missing the point. I wasn't trying to say that any one type of motorsport is better than the other. What i was doing was putting alternative cheap motorsport options forward, and sprinting is one such alternative.
From my own experience, the adrenaline kick is excellent, and the challenge lies in getting a pefect lap from a standing start. My reply was a bit obtuse - my apologies. If we are talking about getting value for money within motorsport I'd argue that the track time and mileage with circuit racing (incl rallycroos) represents better value for money than sprinting/hillclimbing. I fully agree, for a given entry fee you will definitely get more track time and miles with circuit racing that you will with sprinting/hillclimbs. I think its a definite case of 'horses for courses'. Sprint racing has the advantage of allowing you to race in the same car that you drive to the circuit, where as circuit racing will predominatly require you to have a specific car that you trailer or tow to the event, and i think you would have to agree that you are more likely to be involved a damaging incident in circuit racing than you would be in sprint racing (although i have seen my fair share of people throwing themselves into barriers without any assitance from other competitors). However, i would fully agree with you that there is probably a much bigger hit of adrenaline in going head to head with other cars over multiple laps, when compared to doing single laps against the clock. With regards to the overall debate about comparative costs, its really a moot point. Im sure people on this forum could provide 100's of examples where on sport is cheaper to enter into than another sport. The ultimate message has to be, motorsport is affordable and is easy to get into.
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FWDRacer
2,838 posts
93 months
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rwindmill said: The ultimate message has to be, motorsport is affordable and is easy to get into. Damn right - miles better than golf. I ran my circuit race season for 7.5K last year including a trip to Spa. I know you shouldn't do it - but twice (in 10 years) I've receipted my season just make sure that costs aren't running away and keeping a healthy perspective on things. Two things to rememeber with motorsport costs. 1. A racing car isn't an investment - view it as one and you are in for a rude awakening. 2. Just make sure SWMBO never finds the bills/costs/workings out...
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Tet
960 posts
73 months
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rwindmill said: Circuit racing isn't comparable - That adrenaline hit with you are lined up with everyone just before the lights go. Try getting that in Sprinting/Hillclimbing. I'd say that rallycross is the cheapest way to get the equivalent 'hit'. Sportsman drag racing seems to work for that. You get the speed, and you get the rush from racing someone in the other lane. A full season costs me under a grand. Naturally, you can spend *much* more than that, but if you're on a limited budget, it's a great way to race.
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GC8
9,513 posts
59 months
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The answer was autograss I think, not rallycross.
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