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matt3001

1,570 posts

77 months

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Eric Mc said:
Perhaps. The US has its own home grown motor sport and has never truly taken to Grand Prix racing.
But it certainly has a long history of motor sport and car manufacturing and engineeruing and technology.

I;m not sure how Bahrain, Abu Dhabi ir even Singapore fit into that scenario. China has apsirations as does India but I'm not altogether sure either of these countries will really ever become the technical inovators the west became.

To me F1 and motor sport in general is a Western activity and the only non-Western country that has truly embraced it is Japan.
Brazil?

Derek Smith

18,900 posts

128 months

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Gene Vincent said:
The circuits didn't want to do a thing, death was part of the ticket to ride, it was part of the attraction to many who went.
Are you suggesting that Eccelstone was instrumental in increasing safety at circuits?

What increased the importance of safety was the death of Senna, not even Ratzenberger. Once litigation and threats of criminal action against teams, the circuits and, most vitally, the FIA, then there was the desire. It has nothing to do with individuals apart from the death of one.

The specs for the modifications, and the warnings of what could happen, were there before their deaths. The FIA made the requirements and circuits had to follow.

If Ecclestone's heart was set on safety it was because the courts had hold of his balls.

Eric Mc

74,212 posts

145 months

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matt3001 said:
Eric Mc said:
Perhaps. The US has its own home grown motor sport and has never truly taken to Grand Prix racing.
But it certainly has a long history of motor sport and car manufacturing and engineeruing and technology.

I;m not sure how Bahrain, Abu Dhabi ir even Singapore fit into that scenario. China has apsirations as does India but I'm not altogether sure either of these countries will really ever become the technical inovators the west became.

To me F1 and motor sport in general is a Western activity and the only non-Western country that has truly embraced it is Japan.
Brazil?
Certainly has provided its fair share of F1 stars.

Unlike Bahrain.

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

135 months

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Eric Mc said:
Certainly has provided its fair share of F1 stars.

Unlike Bahrain.
And now they have a half decent circuit, maybe we will in future... The same as India, China, and so on. Maybe bringing these races there will encourage, and enthuse the next generation?

Gene Vincent

4,002 posts

38 months

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Eric Mc said:
Certainly has provided its fair share of F1 stars.

Unlike Bahrain.
That is a bit like complaining there are no Eritrean Polo players of note isn't it?

Are you saying that a Senna or Schumacher can't emerge from China, India or Bahrain?

I doubt you are, there were Brazilian motorsport drivers for years before they got a GP, it is just the other way 'round now, the track arrives and as [hopefully] a Bahranian or Korean star emerges the seed will take.

Rather than relying on playboy millionaires to get the country enthused F1 is putting the track there and the event.

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Mermaid

15,731 posts

51 months

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Eric Mc said:
It's a pure feeling - nothing more.

I just don't think he is enjoying it as much as he did last year.
I concur - the face seems to suggest that.

IainT

8,802 posts

118 months

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Gene Vincent said:
Eric Mc said:
Certainly has provided its fair share of F1 stars.

Unlike Bahrain.
That is a bit like complaining there are no Eritrean Polo players of note isn't it?

Are you saying that a Senna or Schumacher can't emerge from China, India or Bahrain?

I doubt you are, there were Brazilian motorsport drivers for years before they got a GP, it is just the other way 'round now, the track arrives and as [hopefully] a Bahranian or Korean star emerges the seed will take.

Rather than relying on playboy millionaires to get the country enthused F1 is putting the track there and the event.
I'm struggling with Eric's point here as well. I'm hopeful it's not just about privilege and that only those countries with an F1 pedigree should be allowed into our exclusive club.

Personally I'd like to see top class F1 racing from any and every country that can host an event but I also see that we cannot have 40 races a season apparently.

Eric Mc

74,212 posts

145 months

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GV's point is interesting in that he has picked up on the back to front nature of F1 in these "new" countries. F1 comes first followed by (hopefully) a motorsport culture.

Which is the complete reversal of how motorport developed in its traditional areas.

Whether this is a viable way of growing motorsport in a non motorsport literate part of the world is debateable. But only time will tell if it works or not.

Chrisgr31

8,484 posts

135 months

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Mermaid said:
Eric Mc said:
It's a pure feeling - nothing more.

I just don't think he is enjoying it as much as he did last year.
I concur - the face seems to suggest that.
On the Forum Jake said something along the lines of Martin being totally happy which gave the impression that in reality he was anything but.


Chrisgr31

8,484 posts

135 months

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rubystone said:
ETA, if he does, he will have nowhere to go - the Beeb will pull out of F1 completely at the end of this season.
Why do you say that? The viewing figures for BBC coverage are holding up arent they?

JonRB

41,505 posts

152 months

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Chrisgr31 said:
Mermaid said:
Eric Mc said:
It's a pure feeling - nothing more.

I just don't think he is enjoying it as much as he did last year.
I concur - the face seems to suggest that.
On the Forum Jake said something along the lines of Martin being totally happy which gave the impression that in reality he was anything but.
I'm sure that Martin is missing the camaraderie of last year's BBC team, and I'm sure that Sky is much more corporate and restrictive. Perhaps Martin is also finding people less willing to talk to him since he has the wrong 3 letters on his microphone, which must be a little disheartening. But I would suggest that as the Sky team find their feet he might enjoy it more. It's still very early in the season.

Eric Mc

74,212 posts

145 months

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True,

It all depends on whether the hassles of being away from home every other weekend and the sheer bloody drudgery of it all is deemed worthwhile.

Bags me his job when he resigns though smile

(By then, of course, RM and JM will be also retired so my reservations about Sky will be much reduced).

Gaz.

49,126 posts

131 months

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Gene Vincent said:
That is a bit like complaining there are no Eritrean Polo players of note isn't it?

Are you saying that a Senna or Schumacher can't emerge from China, India or Bahrain?

I doubt you are, there were Brazilian motorsport drivers for years before they got a GP, it is just the other way 'round now, the track arrives and as [hopefully] a Bahranian or Korean star emerges the seed will take.

Rather than relying on playboy millionaires to get the country enthused F1 is putting the track there and the event.
Wikipedia throws up some interesting things about a European host:

Hungary is short on race tracks, a motorsport ladder, only three drivers of any significance when F1 went to Hungary in 1986, the only F1 driver was born in 1981 and competed in three races 2003 & the 2004 season. Hungary hosted only 1 Grand Prix (1936) and was still a communist country in 1986 with a very bloody history from WW2 until well into the 1960's and the first free election since 1945 was held in 1990 (and only third in the nation's history). Hungary is an automotive force today but in 1986 it was a different story, despite a lot of Hungarian inventors in the 19th & 20th centuries (and a ot of them are ex-pats).

Perhaps in 2030 Bahrian will have huge plants making VAG, GM & Japanese products...

jbudgie

1,933 posts

92 months

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JonRB said:
jbudgie said:
So Bernie is your God.

rolleyes
Errrrr, eh? confused

Oh, right, I see. If someone doesn't agree with you then you immediately switch to ad hominem attacks. I seem to recall you've done this before. Why don't you try growing up and engaging in adult debate?
Actually I was replying to DanDC5 when you put your oar in.

As I said I was talking about prior to the Las Vegas car park days .
Well before B.E. got involved.

But feel aggrieved if you like.



JonRB

41,505 posts

152 months

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jbudgie said:
Actually I was replying to DanDC5 when you put your oar in.

But feel aggrieved if you like.
I do apologise. I thought that, since you were quoting me in your reply, you were directing your reply to me.

Silly of me to assume that.

Eric Mc

74,212 posts

145 months

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What years were the Las Vegas races?

jbudgie

1,933 posts

92 months

vonuber

5,284 posts

45 months

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Have to say, this is a most interesting discussion.

Bedazzled

6,540 posts

101 months

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Americans want to see speed; building the mickey mouse infield circuit at Indy was a mistake, they should have run the F1 cars on the full oval at Indianapolis with the teams producing one-off aero designs (and tyres!) which matched the pace of Indy cars. Then it could have been something really special in the F1 calendar.

Failing that, I think they should run the race somewhere with racing heritage like Laguna Seca, or on a street circuit in a city like New York, where the speed and agility of F1 cars could be seen (and heard) up-close. The best F1 tracks are slightly dangerous so you suck air through teeth as the cars touch the limit. I doubt the new Tilke track in Austin will achieve that.

I think you also need domestic drivers to attract American crowds. Put Danica Patrick in a Red Bull and you might get a decent turnout, otherwise it's doomed. I guess the empty stands won't look any different to those at Bahrain, though.

_dobbo_

9,086 posts

128 months

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Chrisgr31 said:
Why do you say that? The viewing figures for BBC coverage are holding up arent they?
They were holding up just fine before the BBC choked and dropped half the races.

Got to pay for the 24 Olympics channels some how though I guess smile
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